MosJan Posted December 6, 2002 Report Share Posted December 6, 2002 qani chem moratsel gnam - Aram asatryanin harstnem te ir Kostyum@ vor territs e vertsnum / de petqa che / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
564312 Posted December 9, 2002 Report Share Posted December 9, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Harut: quote:Originally posted by 564312:Ha harutik im tan hamarn a mi hat kzanges ko khelok zen@ lcem?tsavoq srti yes khul u hamr em. MosJanin hartsra, yes ir het mi qani angam herakhosov khosel em. quote:Pfffffffff why would I be more in topic if I was personified here with woman’s name? Lav jugi ape jan karoga mi kani hat achokner havakes Arpaic es el er indz ughghgvats? yete ayo, ban chhaskats. mi angam el portsi batsatrel?Khul Harutik anhaskacogh el es? I was referring to Arpa being a woman and you taking her side just for that reason. Arpa is a she name isn't it? or maybe he with a she name, then my mistake apologies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted December 9, 2002 Report Share Posted December 9, 2002 quote:Originally posted by 564312: quote:Originally posted by Harut: quote:Originally posted by 564312:Ha harutik im tan hamarn a mi hat kzanges ko khelok zen@ lcem?tsavoq srti yes khul u hamr em. MosJanin hartsra, yes ir het mi qani angam herakhosov khosel em. quote:Pfffffffff why would I be more in topic if I was personified here with woman’s name? Lav jugi ape jan karoga mi kani hat achokner havakes Arpaic es el er indz ughghgvats? yete ayo, ban chhaskats. mi angam el portsi batsatrel?Khul Harutik anhaskacogh el es? I was referring to Arpa being a woman and you taking her side just for that reason. Arpa is a she name isn't it? or maybe he with a she name, then my mistake apologies. che, vor QEZ haskatsa, uremn hastat anhaskacogh chem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
564312 Posted December 9, 2002 Report Share Posted December 9, 2002 pah..!pisik@ nstel mi mut ankyunumhonker@ kitel u lac er linum.motik e galic mi urish pisik,inchu es lalic pisik jan pisiktatik@ inz uzum e ceselharutik@ takun masun@ kerel u im vra e kcel. :)confffffffffused? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 arajin 4 togher@ lav statsvetsin. bayts... ay, hajord 2 togher@...che, piti miqich krknoghutyun anes.hajord angam kstatsvi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted December 10, 2002 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 quote:Originally posted by 564312:Nice to meet you Ruben I see you are from Tel Aviv you must be accustomed to all the bombs how is life. The Lord Byron letter I’ve found it @ www.iatp.am/byron/hope you find it informative and yes it is written by Byron himself u can buy the book too. www.postroman.info/anglo_saxon/chronicle1.htm. Regardless of any cynicism there is no other country named Armenia Arpa is there? Khorenaci, Tumanyan & Isahakian, Ara Gegecik, Sasunci Davit, Vahagni Cnund. OHH NO they are mere “poetic licenses” no accurate information at all, lets just go into the Arab & Aramaic dictionary to check its origins. Yes like you said we needs new accomplishments Komitas and still can’t. I can go on talking about our “old accomplishments” but it is not necessary for you anyways. Regarding you analyzing about eyes of Vahagn & Sevak – when was Sevak born and when was Vahagn born? There is such thing as time, Before Sevak was born Armenians already have assimilated with many neighboring nations. Thus we have many Sevaks and les Vagni achker hahaha. I think I am going to give you a heart attack --> Abraham the father of Hebrews was Armenian too.One again to understand what a "chuvinist" is go to my profile and read my posts. As to Komitas and others. How many radio stations play his music? How many otars have you introduced to his music? Most of my otar friends know him and his music through me. I make a point to play it for them. I will not address the rest of your well deserved concerns. However I would be amiss if did not contribute to the list of your "famous Armenians". Just so it be complete. If I am reading you correctly, by posting those sites (which I cannot open) you are trying to sat that during Vahagn times we looked and were part of the Sandinavian race but by some coincidence, by Sevak time we ended up looking like any old middle estern or even lie a Bangladeshi. I don't belive in miracles, Do you? Abraham Abrahamian is of course Armenian because "ab raham" means "father of multitude" in the Armenian language. I hate to do this but, for the umpteenth time, please convince me that Abraham, who was 150 years old when he made his wife pregnant(yeah right, and some call that source the 'word of God', what a joke!!) is in fact a historical figure. The Jews will be eternally indebted to you as they have not yet proved it themselves. Then, of course, don't forget that Moses was also Armenian. Add Moshe Dayan to your list. Whatever else you do, don't forget to add the following "Armenian" to your list:Bedros....Refer to Kinross' The Ottoman Centuries. In my edition of 1979, opposite page578, under a full page portrait of him the caption reads; (Quote) "....Known to the Turks as Bedros(Peter in Armenian) because of his Armenian features, he may have had an Armenian mother" (end of quote).Many an Armenian have come close to have him declare as one of us and have attempted to prove that he indeed had and Armenian mother. Let me explain what Lord Kinross means by "Armenian features". This man was so hated and depised not only by Armenians but alos by his own folk. He was diminutive in size, ugly, hunch backed and had a big nose, therfore his own people gave him the nickname of Bedros as an insult. After all what can be more insulting than to label an otherwise "noble" Turk an "Ermeni", the ultimate insult.To know who this "Bedros the Armenian" is, and lest your list be incomplete got to the following site and scroll down to the list of Sultans. It is number 31 on the list.http://www.worldstatesmen.org/Turkey.htmlNote. This will be my last response to you as it seems your comprehension of English is limited. Of course I can also write in Armenian if need be. BTW. I am not a "queen" by any stretch of imagination. I am a king. Don't foget that. Also to know why I have chosen "Arpa" as my penname go to my profile and read about Arpa (get/river), may be if you read carefully yo may understand why the river was called Arpa. Let me say this much. Arpi, "of the sun" is usually a feminine name, but Arpa means "from the sun". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sen_Vahan Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 "One again to understand what a "chuvinist" is go to my profile and read my posts. As to Komitas and others. How many radio stations play his music? How many otars have you introduced to his music? Most of my otar friends know him and his music through me. I make a point to play it for them." Arpa jan, All my chinese friends now know about Komitas and heard his music in his own performance even. They even know that their armenian friend likes "Krunk", "Hov Arek, Sarer jan" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
564312 Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 “This will be my last response to you as it seems your comprehension of English is limited.” Akhhh ayo, you are right. I am hurt. Your venom stings. Well this will be my last response to you too. I feel sorry that I ever responded to you in the first place, if only I have known that you are such an important dictionary, and that this is your beloved forum world. Your job is to analyze Armenian words, origins right? you also don’t believe in God & Bible? But isn’t Christianity part of the Armenian identity? Yes I believe in miracles I believe that there is God And only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ. For God nothing is impossible even a woman of 99 years getting pregnant. I also believe that Abraham existed. Well the part about him being Armenian? It was a joke, but to come think of it, if you read the Bible it says that Abraham was from Ur as in Urartu? I am just questioning don’t be mad. And if the Bible is a Jewish propaganda then why they didn’t say that Noah’s ark stopped on the mount of Zion instead of Ararat? And if the whole world was dead & Noah & his family survived well they did start from Ararat didn’t they? one of the Noahs sons name was Shem who had many sons including Aram. So can’t there be a possibility that something started from Armenia? Its crazy to think that people can change so dramatically between Vahagn time & now time? One interracial marriage in any part of the world and their offspring’s are different entirely. Persia, Asia, Arabia, Byuzantia this are just few nations that occupied Armenia, half of Armenia assimilated with time, half of them perished at war. I just believe that Armenia has its own original language and culture not stolen from anyone. That’s all end of story hajogutyun ev bari makhtankner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sen_Vahan Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 "I also believe that Abraham existed. Well the part about him being Armenian? It was a joke, but to come think of it, if you read the Bible it says that Abraham was from Ur as in Urartu?" So be it, why not. but wasn't that Ur of Khaldea? "I am just questioning don’t be mad. And if the Bible is a Jewish propaganda then why they didn’t say that Noah’s ark stopped on the mount of Zion instead of Ararat?" Probably because the story was cheated and stolen from an armenian one. "And if the whole world was dead & Noah & his family survived well they did start from Ararat didn’t they? one of the Noahs sons name was Shem who had many sons including Aram. So can’t there be a possibility that something started from Armenia?" Well, if the new world started form Armenia then yes, but did it? Why don't you climb to Ararat's top to check it? By the way, did the world start with Babeli's King family? Or maybe it did start somewhere in Mexico? So, are believing in God or the written crap?Sorry if i insult you, had no intention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 quote:Originally posted by 564312: But isn’t Christianity part of the Armenian identity? No. Christianity has nothing to do with ethnicity and the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 Sen_vahan if you dont blieve in god can you tell us what you blieve in I know ethiests god was linin and his messenger was stalin and look where they end , they end up in the trash can of history they did not last more than 75 years while christianity is going strong for two thousnd years . If you were born in Armenia then you are the product of 75 years of comunism . If you dont blieve in God you are free to blieve in what you want , I have the same freedom to blieve in what I want ,I for my self chose to blieve in God . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 Sip , are you sure you will meet pretty chicks down there I thought that this was the guy who lives there and he does not look pretty at all , but hey you still have time to change your mined because once you meet that guy he will not let you go , you will have long lasting marriage to an ODAR . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vazrik Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 According to bible Noah’s ship landed Ararat, for fact we can go back to PersianEmpire 530BC, in Bisootoon were mentioned Armenia by name (Armene), people who lived around lake Van. Further back Armenian was mentioned in Assyrian history books as Urarta around Lake Van too. We know Armenian language is one of the oldest, they adapt many Latin, Greek, persian, Arabic, turkish, French etc… words, but the root is still same as what was spoken in that era. We know Noah’s ship landed on Ararat. It makes sense some of those children stayed in that general area, which later they became Armenian. Others were moved to north, south, east and west and carried the language spoken by them.by injury off time slowly changed. Like (I speak Urmia Armenia and some people will not understand some of the words), by the root is same but some words have different meaning. That is how they find which language belongs to which Shem. Probably Noah was speaking a language very close to Armenia, if he did, then he learned from his father, and his father father, so on and so forth. Maybe Adam was speaking Armenian, Maybe that’s way they say; “the spoken language in heaven is Armenian.” I am not saying they were speaking same as we do know but at root level maybe was similar. “This will be my last response to you as it seems your comprehension of English is limited.” True ArmenianThat is why Armenians nose is getting bigger and bigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 quote:Originally posted by WhiteHorse:... Maybe that’s way they say; “the spoken language in heaven is Armenian.” I am not saying they were speaking same as we do know but at root level maybe was similar.First of all, welcome to the board WhiteHorse! Second of all, I thought everyone is hooked up directly to computers in heaven ... so I doubt they need any sort of language to communicate. Sure, they need some protocol to copy one person's thoughts to another person's cache ... but maybe on the other hand, there is a BIG shared RAM memory area that everyone is directly connected to ... Ah never mind me ... I just can't wait to get to heaven or to hell ... since as we know, all HOT chicks are going to hell. So either way, I'll be SET no matter where I end up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
564312 Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 Barev WhiteHorse ev Hovsep urakh em imanal vor woch bolorn en aystegh atheismov lcvac. Sephan – devil can be very beautiful after all it was beautiful once upon a time an angel loved by God. One of its names is Arusyak. You can go to her and kiss all day long, bayc heto divayin ham kmna ko lezvum. Say the taste of all the killers & pedophiles ever lived on the earth. I forgot.. here are some of the websites again. www.webmesh.co.uk/a-s-chronicles2.htm www.postroman.info/anglo_saxon/chronicle1.htm information on Lord Byron’s letters regarding Armenian language & Armenia www.iatp.am/byron/ Books - Bede’s Ecclesiastical history of England. Although in some of the newest translations word Armenia has been changed to Armorica? Voch vok chi asum vor Hayastan@ kam Hay@ bacarcak e kan shat lav hayer ev kan Turkic betar hayer. Bayc ete mard@ inch vor ban e sirum ayd ban@ ir hamar annmush e tvum. Lav chi vor menk mer skizb@ ev mer arvest@ zekhchum enk. For an outsider culture is an introduction, a window through which we can see the vastness of any nation. But that’s just my opinion. Sen Vahan Ete duk aydpes ek nkatum Astvacashunch@ uremn duk herkum ek nayev patmabanakan paster Hayastani masin voronk gtnvum en Surb Grkum. Jeremiah 51:27 says – “Signal many nations to mobilize for war againts Babylon. Sound the battle cry! Bring out the armies of Ararat, Minni, and Ashkenaz” In the past Armenia has been connected to Biblical Ashkenaz and the Jewish usage of Ashkenaz is translated same as Armenia. They also called Armenia UZ (Lam 4:21) Job says the “land of UZ” now days Anatolia region near Constantinople. Armenia is also identified with the Biblical Minni based on onomatopoeic exegesis of Armenia Har=Mountain Minni similarly Harmon – Harmonah. Harmon meaning “the Mountains of Darkness” term used by Jews for the Caspian mountains. Armenia has further been identified with the biblical Tagarmah (Gen 10:3) this is same theory as Ashkenazi origins extending to the Schythians east of the Volga and if this is correct then we can see some link between Bede’s writing about where some part of Anglo Saxons came from. Also the identification of Armenia as Aram (Gen 10:22; 25:20; 28:5) In the biblical age Armenia was conceived as the mountainous expanse in the north dominating the route from Erez Israel to Mesopotamia. The forested Heights near the sources of the Euphrates and the Tigris was regarded as Paradise (Gen 2:8) Also “The divine mountain meeting in the north” (Isa. 14:13) the connection of two (Ezek 28:13-16) and the rebirth of mankind after the Flood (Gen 8:4) The name Ararat (Gen 8:4; Kings 19:37; Jer. 51:27) recalls the indigenous Armenian kingdom of Urartu, based on Lake Van. So here we are if you like you can ignore and be cynical. That’s your right to do if you wish. And what is so terrible about Bible? Have you red it even once without any prejudice. Don’t consider the Religions that monopolize Fate. Consider God & his love for you. He says my name is Elshadai (mothers breast) just like a mother that feeds & nurtures her babe that is how God loves you. What is so acidic about his teaching? His commandment? Love God with all your heart and soul and Love your neighbor like you love yourself. Before anything go and make peace with your brother that you have argued, and honor your parents. Wow how terrible! There is no such thing as no fate you believe in certain things in your life. You know that a water on the stove is going to boil soon, when its summer you believe it is going to be hot, and when you go to Armenian wedding you believe you will eat a good Khorovach. But God He is unseen in your life you have no proof. Jesus says "blessed are those who have not seen but believe". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 quote:Originally posted by 564312:... Love your neighbor like you love yourself. Before anything go and make peace with your brother that you have argued, and honor your parents. Wow how terrible!But why do I need "God" for that? I can do all that just fine as it is. And I don't think he should get the credit, for me being a good person. "God" certainly has not and does not deserved all this credit he is getting. Sure, it's great what he did with creating the Universe and time and all... I am trully impressed. But since then, it's like for everything good, the points get assigned to this thing we call "God". For everything bad, all the points get assigned to the person who did it. Well, of course there is no way I can compete with this "God" quote:Originally posted by 564312:But God He is unseen in your life you have no proof. Jesus says "blessed are those who have not seen but believe".If I were Jesus, I would probably say, "blind sheep are those who have not seen but believe". But then probably no one would remember me for more than 5 minutes because I told them life is much harder and they have to put some effort and THINK on their own for a change ... and we all know you can't win any followers if you don't promise them something good for basically nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vazrik Posted December 13, 2002 Report Share Posted December 13, 2002 Thanks Sip.Good to be among sisters and. brothers.Heaven and hell as they teach is false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vazrik Posted December 13, 2002 Report Share Posted December 13, 2002 Barev to you too 564312. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted December 13, 2002 Report Share Posted December 13, 2002 Hovsep, did you see the movie "Bedazzled" where the devil was Elizabeth Hurley? Now how do we know that's not exactly how it is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted December 13, 2002 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2002 How rude of me! How xenophobic can one get!Here we have several newcomers and instead of spreading the welcome mat and welcoming each of them we are attcking them.Offense is the best defense, it has been said, yet here, instead of attacking, being on the offensive we are dedending ourselves. Is this what our amcestors hads to do about 17 c4nturies ago? When Armenia was inveded by the evangelizers and missionaries telling us what bad people we were?BTW, Welcome Tig, WH and 123456. What a waste!!! You guys are "casting your pearls to the swines". If you don't know where the preceding quote is refer to Matthew 7;6. You showed us your pearls, you showed us what a big and golden gndakner you have. You really cast your pearls to the swines, that is us. You preached to the preacher, you sold (tried to sell)the gardner some vegatables. What a waste. You preached Christianity and religion to those who have been there long long before you had even heard of it. Typical! Typical Armenian!If you really have that big balls, if you really believe in what you are preaching, if you really think that man will only be saved by believeing other peaoples' mythology, while in the process trashing and insulting our own, if you really believe that the world needs to know about all that I have a suggestion and a job for you. Now, once a gain, if your gndakner are so big, if you are such fearless warriors and soldiers of Christ then I have an assignment for you. Among others, there are 60 million Turks, 60 million Persians and billions of other who have never heard of Jesus. Show us how big your voriks are! Go preach to them and see what happens to you. It is easy to "save" the saved. Try to save the "unseaved" and and in the process try and save your own voriks.It is easy to preach to us. Find out how easy to preach to them.BTW. I have a sneaking suspicion that we have bee inveded by paid missionaries. Who is paying you guys to preach to us? There are so many empty pulpits, don't you think you could make a good living by filling those pulpits! Is any of you guys/gals an officer of the church, any church? Who is paying you to preach to us?What I cannot understand is how and when religion entered this thread? Did I suggest any religion in my original post? Can Armenians talk? Can Armenians talk without hiding behind slogans and hiding behind the skirts of the clergy?I know, I know. When you have no argument, when you have nothing to offer just throw the name of Jesus and watch them/us run.May I suggest to take your debates to the Forum topic of Religion and Church.If you have not yet discoverd roll the summary page down, then we will know what not to read, and waste valuable time, energy, breath and, not to foget, valuable bandwidth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghos Posted December 13, 2002 Report Share Posted December 13, 2002 What a nice way to start Friday... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted December 13, 2002 Report Share Posted December 13, 2002 Dear Boghos, We have time till Sunday to repent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted December 13, 2002 Report Share Posted December 13, 2002 I wonder who has confirmed that the "Biblical facts" are facts. Is there any corroborative evidence? I am also curious to know who has written the Bible, or who has brought its different chapters written by different people together? Why these chapters and not some others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghos Posted December 13, 2002 Report Share Posted December 13, 2002 quote:Originally posted by MJ:I wonder who has confirmed that the "Biblical facts" are facts. Is there any corroborative evidence? I am also curious to know who has written the Bible, or who has brought its different chapters written by different people together? Why these chapters and not some others?Well, that´s an easy one: Armenians wrote the various books and then Armenians, not the same ones, put it together. If Armenians wrote it, than it must be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted December 13, 2002 Report Share Posted December 13, 2002 I see, now... I think we have to bring together something called Hye Forum’s Chorus and should sing "God Bless Armenia." Then we should recite in unison - Der Voghormea, Der Voghormea, Der Voghormea… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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