Guest Posted October 19, 2000 Report Share Posted October 19, 2000 Dammit! I didn't follow the directions for the second part! Sh*t! F [This message has been edited by Pilafhead (edited October 18, 2000).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 19, 2000 Report Share Posted October 19, 2000 quote:Originally posted by Half Breed:Ay caray! Pero que buen hablas en espanol! Gracias, senor! I took classes in junior high, high school and college. In addition, I had a job for a couple years with guys that didn't speak much English.That's too bad about your son's school not having a strong program after 3rd grade. What about another school in the neighborhood? If not, then try private schools, but investigate! Suerte en todo!No choice as to local public schools. Actually we know enough people at or beyond our dilemma, so we know what's what out there. Right now we're looking at what we believe are the two top private schools in Pasadena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 19, 2000 Report Share Posted October 19, 2000 quote:Originally posted by Kazza: North London, mechem aprum, unfortunatley! I'm coming to CA so watch out!!! When? Where? Maybe that's the time to schedule the BBQ! Maybe who's ever interested could all meet for a beer, soda, whatever. quote:Ghortses aprum musician and artist em, But my paid work is a part-time clerk at a government office, till i finish studying. I'm in the middle of starting a band.What do you play? What kind of music does your band play? Do tell, do tell! Do you need an oudist ?[This message has been edited by Pilafhead (edited October 18, 2000).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 19, 2000 Report Share Posted October 19, 2000 I think we could move the public vs. private debate to a different thread. There's much to be said on the issue, it seems, especially given the "voucher" proposition (was it 38?) that's on the ballot this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 19, 2000 Report Share Posted October 19, 2000 Possibly, but it has limited relevance to Armenian issues and next to no relevance for those outside the US, so would that be kosher? I read through the actual written language of Prop 38. There are some interesting aspects I did not know about (e.g., guaranteed per-capita national-average funding for public schools and a built in phase-in period). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 19, 2000 Report Share Posted October 19, 2000 Farsisteve, "Ko Hayreni dase ardeyek te che?""Shaat lav es"What do they mean?I think that's really nice that you don't need to worry aboutstudent/parent behaviour. Shaat garevora! Some teachers have problems with that(are there drug problems in private schools? Please tell me, I dont know!! For sure.)You know what? I've made frineds with the Farsi boys (By that I mean I am one of the only ones they talk to! I am helping them with their English and their assignments at the moment. There is an Iraqui brother and sister also, she is dead quiet and retiring and always with her brother. When we asked a friend why they said it's because the boys are very strict and dont want the girls to talk to anybody. True or false?OK, bossy boots, I will "study" but I think you should write a dialouge on the other words and I and Pilafjan will interpret them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 19, 2000 Report Share Posted October 19, 2000 PIlaf, I think that is a really nice idea. If your'e serious, I should be coming to America around Christmastime, but I'm not sure how I'm going to organise getting from Philly to CA. And on my own.. I should manage it one day though! We and the people who play play what ever inspires us and that can be quite a mixed bag. I play the piano, keyboard, guitar, mandolin (and also a bit of harmonica too!) my friend plays very good classical music but I cant read a note of music: never could. I used to go to my friends house every afternoon after school when we were little and we played with her piano. I begged and begged for music lessons, but mum said we couldnt afford it: we couldnt afford a lot of things at the time. and at school they thought I was unteachable: (their words, not mine!) I played by ear , and that's the way i've always been happy with. A lots the things have Plenty of Armenian sounds (but no instruments:yet!) and also some reggae, ska, jazz, and soul influenences. If I learn enough, I will be able to sing in hye! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 20, 2000 Report Share Posted October 20, 2000 Barev erekherk! (Hi kids!) Pilafhead, you did well on your exam, but next time answer in Hayeren, lav? LOL! Zhama kanisna means "What time is it?" So you could have given me the time you had when writing a post. Right now here in So. Cal. it is almost 8 pm so I would say "eena na." I checked my last lesson post and found a creeping "Farsism!" For "student" I give you "shagert" it should be "ashagert!" Big difference. "Shagerd" is "student" in Farsi. Neroghutsun! (Sorry!) Please don't look to me as an expert of the Armenian language. This Half Breed Irish-Native American-Armenian born in Iran does the best he can, but you are taking your chances! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 20, 2000 Report Share Posted October 20, 2000 quote:Originally posted by Kazza:I play the piano, keyboard, guitar, mandolin (and also a bit of harmonica too!) That is so cool. I wish I would have had the diligence to learn an instrument sooner. Trying to learn one now while juggling work and family is just too much. I'm just now hooking up musically with some friends who are kind of in the same boat, so maybe that'll be a kick in the ass.Let's see "reggae, jazz, ska and soul"...Who do you sound like? The old Two-Tone bands come to mind (Selecter, Specials, The (English) Beat). Like that? Or more modern like Groove Armada and Basement Jaxx? Or maybe, Style Council meets Musical Youth ?It would seem silly for you to come all the way to CA and for us out here to not try to organize some sort of meet and greet. I'm still really a Johnny-come-lately around here, so I don't have a good feel for how interested people are in actually seeing each other.Anyway, as usual, I digress...Carry on Steve-O. I feel the pluralization of nouns and verb conjugation coming on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 20, 2000 Report Share Posted October 20, 2000 quote:Originally posted by Half Breed:I checked my last lesson post and found a creeping "Farsism!" Hey, it's your thread. Call 'em as you see 'em I'm not even going to ask what happened to the ending vowels on numbers 7, 9 and 10.Besides, my local watering hole for Armenian food is actually Iranian, so a little Farsi wont hurt.Just call me Dariush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2000 Report Share Posted October 21, 2000 quote: Please don't look to me as an expert of the Armenian language. This Half Breed Irish-Native American-Armenian born in Iran does the best he can, but you are taking your chances!Oh dont give me that. Nobody's perfect at any language! Your doing alright, because every time those Iranian boys my ears prick up because I recognise different sounds now. I've never BEEN to Iran and it's because of the vaguely Farsi-dialect you are teaching us! Trust me. And another thing. If you learn one dialect, you can learn the rest pretty quickly. That is what I was telling Pilaf, from that first post he sent, although i made it a bit of a jokey way.Anyway, what do you think of all these things that are going on in the government? Although I dont know all that much about the reasons they pulled out, I'm pretty disgusted anyway. :rage: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2000 Report Share Posted October 21, 2000 quote: Please don't look to me as an expert of the Armenian language. This Half Breed Irish-Native American-Armenian born in Iran does the best he can, but you are taking your chances!Oh dont give me that. Nobody's perfect at any language! Your doing alright, because every time those Iranian boys my ears prick up because I recognise different sounds now. I've never BEEN to Iran and it's because of the vaguely Farsi-dialect you are teaching us! Trust me. And another thing. If you learn one dialect, you can learn the rest pretty quickly. That is what I was telling Pilaf, from that first post he sent, although i made it a bit of a jokey way.Anyway, what do you think of all these things that are going on in the government? Although I dont know all that much about the reasons they pulled out, I'm pretty disgusted anyway. :rage: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2000 Report Share Posted October 21, 2000 quote:Originally posted by Kazza: If you learn one dialect, you can learn the rest pretty quickly. At this point, I'll be happy to learn any dialect. Even if it means I mutter it to myself in the park.I think I'm going to get back into my Western Armenian textbook, too. That way I can start learning/re-learning some of the letters, too. I've always felt like a wannabe because I didn't know the language (the Italian surname didn't help matters).Between this forum and that book, I can hopefully finally do it after 20 some-odd years of wanting to learn. I can do it, there must be enough brain capacity left. I am strong, I am invincible, I am WOMAN! ....Oops , wrong song to quote...It's Saturday and this vampire needs to get out into the sunlight. [This message has been edited by Pilafhead (edited October 21, 2000).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2000 Report Share Posted October 22, 2000 Lav erekherk, odar das unem ko hamar Antonyms-how many do you know? example: shaat/kich (a lot/ little) lav/vatsirun/t'geghtak/baghheen/noraravod/gisherhamegh/anhamverev/satsbats/goghbmets/b'stikarzhan/tangjeesht/s'khal Lav, henz et g'tam, bayts betke soverenk! Shootov el k'nutyun g'tam. S'tesustsun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2000 Report Share Posted October 22, 2000 AHA Farsisteve !!I can see what trick you used with that list of words!!!! You know I know some, then I can automatically work out their opposites although I have never heard of them! You did that on purpose and I think it is a very clever teaching trick. Right,sirun/t'gegh attractive/not attractive(ugly)Hamegh/anham Tasty/awful-tasting.lav/vat good/badheen/nor I dont knowaravod/gisher I dont knowI dont really now the rest, sorry! Please tell me what these sentences mean, because I dont know than and I am curious! "Lav, (good) henz et g'tam(I assume this is the exam?) bayts bette soverenk! Shootov(early?) el k'nutsen g'tem. S'tesusten!" and, "Lav erekherk, odar das unem ko hamar (that one is really making me wonder!) And also, you and Pialf are wittering on in Spanish which is all very fine and dandy, but knowing what it means is making me feel very left out!.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2000 Report Share Posted October 22, 2000 Guys, Let me give you my inflated 2 cents. I think your efforts are very commendable, but you have chosen a very difficult way of learning Armenian. One distinction between Armenian and English languages is that Armenian language has a very robust and systematic grammar structure, with only few exception rules. I think you may find much more rewarding learning some grammar, as you go. Sort of like a bookshelf. If you want to store a lot of books, you put them in the shelves with a proper logic, so that to easily find them later. Sorry for the intervention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2000 Report Share Posted October 22, 2000 MJ As someone who is a teacher of English to students who speak other languages, I can say the worst thing you can do to a beginning learner is to bog them down with grammar rules! I think we are doing the best we can, considering it is difficult just to learn a language without oral/aural development. I think Pilafhead has some background in pronunciation, so what he needs is a lot of vocabulary, phrases, and idioms. Of course, in this case, their Professor is not exactly a graduate of Yerevan University! Kazza, Here are only one each of the pair of antonyms in English: verev-uparzhan-expensivejeesht-right, correctgoghb-closed So you figure out what their antonyms mean!Also knutsyun means "test," g'tam" is "I will give." "Lav, henz et" means "that's all" Yes, antonyms are a clever way I use to have students develop their active vocabulary. It helps them make some kind of connection between words, which is important when learning vocabulary. You need to have some type of theme, rather than random, isolated words. That is also why I try to give you chunks of the language rather than just word by word translation. It is more important to get the "jist" of a phrase, than break it down word for word. Haskatsar? Lav, g'na ko daser ara! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2000 Report Share Posted October 22, 2000 OK, Steve. You are the teacher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 24, 2000 Report Share Posted October 24, 2000 FARSISTEVE JAN,GOOD MORNING VIETNAM! Ha MJ, Farsisteve is the ususich. We are the shagert,in the dasaran. Respect his authoritah! (It's not as if I ever do anyway! joking! I always do!) Pilaf ajn and Kazza jan with our matit ges tookht esor, always ready sovorel.Matem, vat. Spanieren ges Franseren, vat. Farsi's Angeleren ges Hayeren, lav! Kazza's Hayeren, Very lav! Jeesht, jeesht, jeesht, he says, as he grel, ges gartelem, ges grelem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 24, 2000 Report Share Posted October 24, 2000 Dammit, Kazza! You're making me look like the class dunce! Before I am moved to Remedial Armenian, I need to catch up to you. Unless Steve allows "social promotion" thereby allowing me to advance to the next level with my peers despite my ineptitude. Tonight I printed out this whole thread, cut out the nonsense posts by that ges-WOP and made a handy little summary packet. I'll show you... P.S. Here's a nice California-tsi word for all of you: yergrasharzh. I don't know if that's Arevelahayeren or Arev-mdahayeren. Don't worry Kazza, the UK is too flat for you to have to know that California word--there's a hint [This message has been edited by Pilafhead (edited October 23, 2000).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 24, 2000 Report Share Posted October 24, 2000 "Yeghrasharzh" excellent word! It is in both dialects. Kazza, we have these a lot in California. Ashagertner, me kich hevandem ele es ergoo or. Harpookhem. El das g'tam kezi yep vor aveli lavem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 24, 2000 Report Share Posted October 24, 2000 Eli hetem ege! I can't help it, I feel way worse lying down and coughing, so I might as well give you guys another lesson. All these phrases have to do with the flu: harpooghem, g'lookhesa tsavoom, yev shaatem hazoom! (Think about what we do when we have the flu,symptoms). Lav, betke k'nes, joor khmes yev vitamin c khmes. Inshallah vor lavanas shootov! (sorry, I just can't replace the "inshallah" it is too ingrained!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 25, 2000 Report Share Posted October 25, 2000 quote:Originally posted by Pilafhead:Dammit, Kazza! You're making me look like the class dunce! [This message has been edited by Pilafhead (edited October 23, 2000).]Oh, I'm sorry Pellaffi! Youre not! I was just giving myself compliments as per usual!! Youre doing fantasic yourelf. By the way:"Yeghrasharzh" and by your clues I can only guess that means, hilly, mountainous, etc. Am I right?Aaaw, poor Farsisteve! No wonder you have been a bit quiet these past few days. Is it really bad? If it is , I will give you some cyberhankies! If it's that bad don't go to work.Anyway, to keep you occupied, Those words mean coughing , sneezing, wheezing, etc. And that vitamin C is very good for this type of thing. And that you are going to sneeze soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 26, 2000 Report Share Posted October 26, 2000 quote:Originally posted by Kazza: Oh, I'm sorry Pellaffi! Youre not! I was just giving myself compliments as per usual!! I'm just jealous because you're trying more than I am. I need to pare down all the junk I've got going on and create some time. To make matters worse one of our cats disappeared Monday Most likely it was coyotes , but I put flyers on 50 doorsteps last night. Keep your fingers crossed...Yeghrasharzh means earthquake. I looked it up in a dictionary. Whatta tongue twister![This message has been edited by Pilafhead (edited October 25, 2000).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 26, 2000 Report Share Posted October 26, 2000 quote:Originally posted by Pilafhead: To make matters worse one of our cats disappeared Monday Most likely it was coyotes , but I put flyers on 50 doorsteps last night. Keep your fingers crossed...[This message has been edited by Pilafhead (edited October 25, 2000).]That really is terrible. I'm sorry. I don't know what I'd d if one of my cats dissapeared!But I don't think it's cyotes. If I see him wandering outside my house, because he's scared of the Yerhrasharzh,and got lost, I will give you a call! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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