MosJan Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Mass Pogroms of Caucasians under Way in Saratov Region of Russia 15.09.2006 13:02 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian /PanARMENIAN.Net/ Kondopoga events repeated in another Russian region – Saratov, in Volsk town. Militia groups patrol the city around the clock. By an order of the local administration all Caucasians are removed from markets to avoid provocation. There are casualties. The conflict began on the night of Sunday at Galaktika local club, when Nazis (who served in Chechnya) attacked Armenian Diaspora representatives. The story continued Monday. A group of local youth rushed into the College of Bridge and Hydro Construction. Fights also took place in the town last night. Nazis started catching Armenian Diaspora representatives in the town and beating them heavily. Naturally, by Thursday, Nazis began to enjoy and their actions spread on representatives of other Caucasian Diasporas. There are no official comments, as information on ethnic cleansing is thoroughly concealed, reports Gruzia-Online Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted September 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Pogroms of Caucasians in Saratov Region: 1 Killed, 5 Wounded 15.09.2006 15:09 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian /PanARMENIAN.Net/ 1 person is killed and several are in reanimation resulting from a mass fight in Volsk town. Reports on the occurrence are very contradictory. According to some, two young persons quarreled with Armenian Diaspora representatives at Galaktika local club. Over 10 took part in a fight. By the time the police arrived, there were three wounded, one of them later died. There are no official reports. It is known that many re-settlers from southern republics live in Volsk. The Prosecutor's Office confirmed there was a fight, but nothing similar to the events in Kondopog – the conflict was an ordinary one. The situation in the town is normal now. The police works in an intense regime. Meanwhile, law-enforcement bodies do not confirm media reports on disorders in Volsk. «The situation in the town is normal,» stated person on operative duty of the Department of Internal affairs of Volsk, Russian media report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Bastards and subhumans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted September 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Deadly Fight Raises Fears Of Ethnic Violence In Russia By Steve Gutterman, Associated Press Fighting involving ethnic Armenians and others in a Volga River town left one person dead and at least three injured this week, officials and news reports said Friday, fueling fears of a rise of ethnic violence across Russia. The violence came about a week after clashes and rioting targeting Chechens in the northern town of Kondopoga left two people dead and underlined the potentially explosive tension between ethnic Russians and often darker-skinned people from the Caucasus and Central Asia, in some cases migrants. One ethnic Russian man was killed and three were injured in a brawl with ethnic Armenians at a cafe in the town of Volsk early Sunday, said Alexei Yegorov, police spokesman in the Saratov region, where the town is located. Yegorov said the fight was not motivated by ethnic bias, but Ekho Moskvy radio reported that it was followed Monday by an attack on ethnic Armenian students at a technical college in the town that left one student with a knife wound. Yegorov denied the attack took place and also denied what Ekho Moskvy reported was further ethnic tension early Friday in the town some 700 kilometers (450 miles) southeast of Moscow. He said two ethnic Armenians had fled the town following Sunday's fight and were being sought by police. Ekho Moskvy said that in addition to the three Russians injured in the cafe fight, one ethnic Armenian was also injured. It said the man who was killed was a 25-year-old former paratrooper who had served in the conflict in Chechnya. While authorities sought to downplay the ethnic element in the violence, it has raised fears that similar rampages could spread to other Russian cities where increasingly aggressive nationalist groups bristle at people from Russia's Caucasus provinces and neighboring ex-Soviet nations. Russia has seen a marked rise in xenophobia and racist attacks in recent years and rights groups say authorities do little or nothing to combat xenophobia, often treating hate crimes as hooliganism. Asked about the violence in Volsk, Russian Deputy Prosecutor General Alexander Buksman said his office is gathering information about such incidents around the country in an effort to determine whether there is a common cause, the RIA-Novosti news agency reported. Dozens of nationalists demonstrated Thursday in Moscow, demanding tighter controls over migrants from the Caucasus living in university dormitories and the cancellation of provisions encouraging students from other ex-Soviet nations to study in Russia. About 150 were detained and some were fined for minor infractions, the Interfax news agency quoted Moscow police spokesman Yevgeny Gildyev as saying, but several dozen were allowed to hold a rally - a soft approach by the Russian authorities who usually move quickly to disperse unsanctioned demonstrations. The pro-tolerance group SOVA said Friday that 11 young people were sentenced in the western city of Belgorod this week to prison terms ranging from 1½ to 5 years for attacking a Roma family with knives and metal rods, seriously injuring two people. SOVA said it was just the fourth time that a Russian court has ruled that defendants organized and participated in an extremist organization. Court officials in Belgorod could not immediately be reached for comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted September 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 DISORDERS IN SARATOV * The Russian Mass Media have spread information according to which there is a conflict between Russians and Caucasians in the town of Volsk, region of Saratov. The conflicts started several days ago in “Galaxy” club where about 10 youngsters were involved in a fight. Russian young people who had their military service in Chechnya attacked Armenians. The incident continued for the other few days too as the young people of the Armenian community were persecuted all over Volsk. The beatings continued yesterday too. When the law enforcers arrived at the site, there were three injured young people there who were taken to hospital. One of them, a Russian boy, died there from injuries. The activities of the Russian Nazis harmed other “Caucasians” too. The law enforcers have decided to isolate the migrants not allowing them to visit markets. There is no official explanation about the incidents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenak Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 There was a passage in Tolstoy's War and Peace where I think it was a Russian military officer who randomly attacks a young Armenian woman. Interesting that things haven't changed more than a century later... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skhara Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 Guys, I checked some Russian sites and there is nothing of reporting on this. Russian young people who had their military service in Chechnya attacked Armenians. Yeah this makes sense. They have their problems and experiences with Chechens and they attack Armenians, or do all "Caucasians" look alike? Anyway, I have some understanding of the very real ethnic problems in Russia and they stem entirely from the collapse of the Soviet Union and the resulting social issues, upheavals, poverty, marked rise in alchoholism, and the loss of 1 million people per year. The thing is too, the Armenians who get caught up in these fights are in a loose-loose situation. You can either get attacked and hurt, or you can fight back and be considered the "attacker". I think the situation is not safe. Is there any kind of repatriation program with the ROA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 This has been the Russian history for awhile now...I mean Jewish pogrom of a century or so ago etc etc, nothing has changed in the mentality of a simple Russian who can be brainwashed to believe in anything...communism, anarchsim, nazism, extreme nationalism...The quote above about Tolstoi's line perfectly describes things...I read another story written during the revolution how Russian soldiers repeatedly raped the central asian women and killed their babies...just for the heck of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skhara Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 (edited) The Jewish pogroms of the late 19th century are not a comparable social situation. That action was actually driven by the educated intelligentsia. Edited September 16, 2006 by skhara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 The Jewish pogroms of the late 19th century are not a comparable social situation. That action was actually driven by the educated intelligentsia. have you read that Abraamyant's murderer was a son of a high-rankin general who was a student at a university. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skhara Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 But does that show a comperable situation? Are high-ranking post Soviet generals considered intelligentsia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurocentric Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 It is not that simple. They don't sometimes attack Armenians because of ignorance. That's just what most of us like to think. The reality is that most of the garbage we had in Armenia left for Russia. Certain Armenians in Russia act like they own the place. They shouldn't be there at all. Even if most of those migrants were good people, even then, Russia is not America or Canada. For those that read Russian: http://www.kuban.ru/cgi-bin/forum/forum27....=1&ask=7429 http://www.kuban.ru/forum_new/forum21/files/31687.html http://www.kuban.ru/forum_new/forum35/files/2700.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skhara Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Even if most of those migrants were good people, even then, Russia is not America or Canada. What do you mean by that comment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurocentric Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 What do you mean by that comment? As in it's not an immigrant nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Euro, Armenians in Kuban region of Russia have a long history, for about 300 years. This roughly goes back to Western Armenians escaping the Ottoman Empire and Katherine the Great wanting these people to settle in Kuban so it would prosper agriculturally. In fact, land was extended to Armenians so they would settle in Kuban. I don't know much about this page of the Armenian history but I it would be interesting to explore further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skhara Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 It is not that simple. They don't sometimes attack Armenians because of ignorance. That's just what most of us like to think. The reality is that most of the garbage we had in Armenia left for Russia. Well honestly speaking, I can't really condem the 'xenophobic' reaction of the average Russian although I don't know just what those violent streep punks think they are helping. I wonder if the shoe was on the other foot how would a lot of Armenians in Armenia react/behave? Meaning Armenia whether during the Soviet times or now has been anti-multiculturalism. What if large numbers of non-Armenians came and settelled in Yerevan, would the reaction of the average Armenian be even harsher than that of the average Russian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurocentric Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Euro, Armenians in Kuban region of Russia have a long history, for about 300 years. This roughly goes back to Western Armenians escaping the Ottoman Empire and Katherine the Great wanting these people to settle in Kuban so it would prosper agriculturally. In fact, land was extended to Armenians so they would settle in Kuban. I don't know much about this page of the Armenian history but I it would be interesting to explore further. Believe me when I say that the descendants of those settlers are not the ones causing so much problems in Russia today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurocentric Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 (edited) Well honestly speaking, I can't really condem the 'xenophobic' reaction of the average Russian although I don't know just what those violent streep punks think they are helping. I wonder if the shoe was on the other foot how would a lot of Armenians in Armenia react/behave? Meaning Armenia whether during the Soviet times or now has been anti-multiculturalism. What if large numbers of non-Armenians came and settelled in Yerevan, would the reaction of the average Armenian be even harsher than that of the average Russian? We would do much worse! We're not even there yet, we just have students who unlike Armenians in Russia go back to where they came from eventually. Ask the average dark skinned student of Arab, Iranian or Indian descent in Armenia how they are treated on a daily basis and you'll get your answer. “I think any of our women who marry blacks are our enemies,” said a middle-aged man with higher education questioned by IWPR on the street in Yerevan. “Armenian blood should not be mixed with the blood of blacks. If you marry a foreigner then he should at least be white.” http://www.iwpr.net/?p=crs&s=f&o=3...c_state=henpcrs Edited September 17, 2006 by Eurocentric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verginne Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 I wonder if the jew who leads those organizations came up with the cutsie term for the article title "pogrom" so that they pretend there is a similarity between Armenians and jews? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verginne Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 16.09.2006 Azerbaijan OF THE MEDIA: In Vol'ske by Russians are killed and injured the persons of the Azerbaijan nationality Lenta.ru it reports: Local authorities and law-enforcement agencies declare, which not there was national background in the conflict, just as what or mass disorders. At present two participants in the fight, Granik Of unanyan and Artur mkhoyans, are declared in the federal search on the suspicion of the accomplishment of murder. Their searches are complicated by the fact that Unanyan and Mkhoyan not were registered in Vol'ske, although for a long time they worked on the urban building, refines agency. The Azerbaijan site Day.az reports other information. Namely, that as a result of collisions, which occurred all over town - are that killed and injured among the persons of Azerbaijan nationality. Upominyayutsya personal data of the killed and ranennykh Azerbaijanians. In the situation, when in the Saratov region complete information blockade is established and information from g. is Vol'sk it comes only from official officials - the country, until now, does not know about the fact that occurred (it occurs) in g. vol'ske. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verginne Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/t...p%3f0%2b%2b7685 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 i don't understand, so what are you saying? because you think armenians would do the same thing to other ethnic groups, it is justifiable for russians to sporadically murder armenians in russia? should we get on our knees and kiss russians' ass, oh the great nation and savior of armenians, and ask for more? if russia is not a immigrant country, then it should close it's boarders and not allow any armenian enter it without visa... and not allow others come in, benefit their daily labor or entrepreneurship, and allow murders to happen to satisfy their drunk-ass nationalists’ blood thirst... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skhara Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 if russia is not a immigrant country, then it should close it's boarders and not allow any armenian enter it without visa... and not allow others come in I agree with that. Those morons should be orchastrating 'pogroms' of their own government reps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurocentric Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 if russia is not a immigrant country, then it should close it's boarders and not allow any armenian enter it without visa... and not allow others come in, benefit their daily labor or entrepreneurship, and allow murders to happen to satisfy their drunk-ass nationalists’ blood thirst... Naturally, the government needs to be blamed for letting so many Armenians enter the country in the first place. I'm not justifying the murders, i'm just saying I understand why they are occuring and what the root causes are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verginne Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 i don't understand, so what are you saying? because you think armenians would do the same thing to other ethnic groups, it is justifiable for russians to sporadically murder armenians in russia? should we get on our knees and kiss russians' ass, oh the great nation and savior of armenians, and ask for more? if russia is not a immigrant country, then it should close it's boarders and not allow any armenian enter it without visa... and not allow others come in, benefit their daily labor or entrepreneurship, and allow murders to happen to satisfy their drunk-ass nationalists’ blood thirst... Guess you didn't know the problem was the azerbaboons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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