nairi Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 (edited) In making that thread on small-town Armenian characters, I was inevitably reminded of all the loanwords that Armenians in Jugha have incorporated into their Armenian. What struck me most were the English ones. Here's a list (hold your heart Arpa): bed - բեդ plier - պլայըր chocolate - ճակլետ toothpaste - կոլգեյտ (Colgate) toothbrush - ատամի բրուշ (also: ատամի խոզանակ) tissue - քլինեքս (Kleenex) purse - պըրս Edited July 28, 2006 by nairi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 Nairi, I think and what i recall from my mother Jugha Armenians called purse a ՔԻՖ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted July 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 Qif is another, yes, but it also means bag in general. A briefcase is also a qif. A suitcase, a chamadan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 duyl-satil shaqaraman-ghandaman kasem-kosem (es charmahali barbar e) tunet qandvi-tunet brishag ellni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 In making that thread on small-town Armenian characters, I was inevitably reminded of all the loanwords that Armenians in Jugha have incorporated into their Armenian. What struck me most were the English ones. Here's a list (hold your heart Arpa): bed - բեդ plier - պլայըր chocolate - ճակլետ toothpaste - կոլգեյտ (Colgate) toothbrush - ատամի բրուշ (also: ատամի խոզանակ) tissue - քլինեքս (Kleenex) purse - պըրս nairi, whould you consider those as 'loanwords incorporated into the language (or the dialect)' or just jargon used in daily conversation only... probably 30% (if not more) of an average yerevantsi's daily vocabulary consists of russian words, but i wouldn't consider those as parts of the armenian language... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenak Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 Levantine Armenians: air conditioner - վանթիլաթօր balcony - պալքօն bicycle - պիսիքլեթ car - օթօ cologne - քօլօնյա film - ֆիլմ maccaroni - մաքարօն salad - սալաթա suitcase - վալիզ swimming pool - փիսին swimwear - մայօ thank you - մերսի (I've noticed this word is used in eastern Armenian as well) vacation - վաքանս The sad part is I used to think that some of these words were Armenian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annannimusss Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 For the Non-Armenian Readers could you guys put these loan words written in English letters or at least have the english letters along side it.Because I can't read Armenian,but if it is written in Armenian and the word is written with in Engkish letters next to it than I can read it just find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted July 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 nairi, whould you consider those as 'loanwords incorporated into the language (or the dialect)' or just jargon used in daily conversation only... probably 30% (if not more) of an average yerevantsi's daily vocabulary consists of russian words, but i wouldn't consider those as parts of the armenian language... But they've become part of their daily language. Perhaps not grakan, but certainly as I learned them when I was growing up. Hayastancis, for instance, use "andzernocik" for tissue. PAs use "qlineqs." Same for the rest of the words. From this perspective, I would argue that some Russian words in Armenia have indeed been pretty much incorporated into Armenian speech, such as samalyot, sotviye (sp.?? for mobile phone, though on the plane last year I heard the air hostess say "sharzhakan herakhos"), marshutni (sp.??), etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenak Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 From this perspective, I would argue that some Russian words in Armenia have indeed been pretty much incorporated into Armenian speech, such as samalyot, sotviye (sp.?? for mobile phone, though on the plane last year I heard the air hostess say "sharzhakan herakhos"), marshutni (sp.??), etc. Marozhni for ice-cream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted July 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Marozhni for ice-cream. Also. For marshutni, I meant those vans that pick you up and drop you off. Or are they called something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Marozhni for ice-cream. but aren't those just convenience words, mostly out of habit? you'd never (or almost never) see a sign on the street saying "մարոժնի" (even at the "most informal" of the places)... you would see "պաղպաղակ - морожоне - ice-cream" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenak Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Also. For marshutni, I meant those vans that pick you up and drop you off. Or are they called something else? I think marshrutni is the Armenian word for it. They're called marshrutkas and are popular throughout most former Soviet countries and were originally produced in Bulgaria I believe. They look very ugly to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Also. For marshutni, I meant those vans that pick you up and drop you off. Or are they called something else? marshrutni - 'marshrutnoyi taxi' (rus) - yertughayin taxi (arm) - or simply marshrutka... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted July 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 but aren't those just convenience words, mostly out of habit? you'd never (or almost never) see a sign on the street saying "մարոժնի" (even at the "most informal" of the places)... you would see "պաղպաղակ - морожоне - ice-cream" That's absolutely true. In order for a loanword to become part of the written language, it needs at least a few reasons. One of them is that the loanword should not have an equivalent in the language (e.g. taxi). Another is that it has been part of the spoken language for so long that it eventually becomes incorporated into the written language (hence perhaps why marozhni is still not part of the written language). A third is that the loanword should be more convenient to pronounce or use than the native word (e.g. bed vs. mahtchakal). There are probably many more reasons that you could come up with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted July 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 marshrutni - 'marshrutnoyi taxi' (rus) - yertughayin taxi (arm) - or simply marshrutka... For some reason, my reply to this disappeared.. Here it is again: Thank you, Harut! I've never heard anyone in Armenia use yertaghuyin. Either way, taxi is a loanword. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted July 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 (edited) Levantine Armenians: air conditioner - վանթիլաթօր balcony - պալքօն bicycle - պիսիքլեթ car - օթօ cologne - քօլօնյա film - ֆիլմ maccaroni - մաքարօն salad - սալաթա suitcase - վալիզ swimming pool - փիսին swimwear - մայօ thank you - մերսի (I've noticed this word is used in eastern Armenian as well) vacation - վաքանս The sad part is I used to think that some of these words were Armenian. All of these are taken from French.. Edited July 29, 2006 by nairi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenak Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 All of these are taken from French.. Want me to list Arabic? ...Turkish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted July 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Want me to list Arabic? ...Turkish? Sure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenak Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 (edited) Sure! Here are some Turkish loanwords: animal - հայվան baby - պեպեք beast - ճանավար child - չօճուխ chitchat - չենէ crural - պաճախ fresh - թեզէ *** off - սիքթիր gambling - խումար hell - ճեհենեմ hurry - հատէ it is - իշթէ like - յանի pathetic - փերուշան pimp - փեզեվենք sad - փուշման slippers - փապուճ stewpot - թենճերէ still - տահա trash - թենեքէ Another vague word used a lot is «լան:» Edited July 29, 2006 by Armenak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted July 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 You know what, Armenak? If I was Arpa, I would probably say most of those "Turkish" words are Armenian loanwords. The rest is Arabic or Persian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 For some reason, my reply to this disappeared.. Here it is again: Thank you, Harut! I've never heard anyone in Armenia use yertaghuyin. Either way, taxi is a loanword. nairi jan, yertughayin/երթուղային... as in, a taxi that has a yertughi, a defined route... as for taxi, yes i guess it is part of armenian language now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 You know what, Armenak? If I was Arpa, I would probably say most of those "Turkish" words are Armenian loanwords. The rest is Arabic or Persian. and if i was arpa, i would say, yes, those are loanwords... big emphasis on loan... you know, the kind that you return to the proper owner after using it for a while... which, to be honest, i hope we will do sooner than later... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 you know what... i can't even twist and turn my tongue enough to prounce those words without excessively armenianizing them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 and if i was arpa, i would say, yes, those are loanwords... big emphasis on loan... you know, the kind that you return to the proper owner after using it for a while... which, to be honest, i hope we will do sooner than later... Somewhat related;a Big MERCI???!!! :) usage of foreign words Associated Press Last updated: 6:56 a.m., Saturday, July 29, 2006 TEHRAN, Iran -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has ordered government and cultural bodies to use modified Persian words to replace foreign words that have crept into the language, such as "pizzas" which will now be known as "elastic loaves," state media reported Saturday. The presidential decree, issued earlier this week, orders all governmental agencies, newspapers and publications to use words deemed more appropriate by the official language watchdog, the Farhangestan Zaban e Farsi, or Persian Academy, the Irna official news agency reported. The academy has introduced more than 2,000 words as alternatives for some of the foreign words that have become commonly used in Iran, mostly from Western languages. The government is less sensitive about Arabic words, because the Quran is written in Arabic. Among other changes, a "chat" will become a "short talk" and a "cabin" will be renamed a "small room," according to official Web site of the academy. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted July 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 (edited) nairi jan, yertughayin/երթուղային... as in, a taxi that has a yertughi, a defined route... as for taxi, yes i guess it is part of armenian language now... Yes! Typo. I swear. I've still never heard anyone in Armenia use yertughayin taxi for a marshrutka/ni. Edited July 29, 2006 by nairi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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