UrishMiSer Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 (edited) Can somebody please let me know whether the last name Israyelyan describes Armenians from Israel? I know most last names stand for or describe either occupation or family name, yet I am very curious to find out if there is any other reason a family of Armenians would have the name Israyelyan. Thank you in advance for any info. Edited July 13, 2006 by UrishMiSer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 Absolutely NOT! What it has to do is the early Christianity. For that reason names like Abraham, Nazareth, Moushegh, Aron, David, Israel, (Israel Ori comes to mind)became common among Armenians. Adoption of Biblical names (rather incorporation of Biblical names) into the then Pagan Armenian lexicon was a normal "Christianization" practice. Unfortunately many Pre-Christian Armenian names were totally lost or destined to oblivion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 (edited) Absolutely NOT! What it has to do is the early Christianity. For that reason names like Abraham, Nazareth, Moushegh, Aron, David, Israel, (Israel Ori comes to mind)became common among Armenians. Adoption of Biblical names (rather incorporation of Biblical names) into the then Pagan Armenian lexicon was a normal "Christianization" practice. Unfortunately many Pre-Christian Armenian names were totally lost or destined to oblivion. Is it not time, after 1700+ years we have surnames like Kristosian, Hisusian, Boghosian, Petrosian, Thaddeosian, Barthoghosian, or just Armen-ian? The hell with Iasrael-ian!!! Is this the Christian era or what! Israel was the nickname of that Biblical Jacob. May he and his tribe go to hell.. It is supposed to mean “with God” or whatever the hell, whoever the hell that “god” may be.. Why are we still naming our children Abraham sorry Gamavor. Or Movses again MosJan? Yeah, yeah I know MusaLer, mountain of Movses? No. It is the Mountain of the "musa's/ muses", named so many millennia even before we knew who Moses was. There is not even a shred of evidence that either of them even existed. Hayk and Aram are more historical than he ever was. Many Armenians, in their so called Christian fervor adopted that name thinking that it meant something good, and that it drew them nearer to the “chosen people“.. Many Armenian babies were named that and, consequently their heirs used their ancestors’ name as surnames. I have known a few, beside the above Israel Ori by Gamavor, whose given name was Israel. I had a very dear high school buddy whose family name was Israelian, probably, as mentioned above , in honor of an ancestor. He was never comfortable with it. We parted I our ways. Many years later I rediscovered him in America. He had a new and improved surname. Apparently, after graduating as an engineer he had had been gainfully employed in one the Gulf Emirates, and, having finally realized a surname of the kind was not a good idea in those lands, had finally decided to once and for all amend his surname. He had used his given name and devised a surname of it. Something like (I just made it up but it describes the process well) ….Armen Armenian. Why can’t those with those ugly, pejorative and disgusting Turkish surnames do the same??!! Who is stopping them? Have they not heard that SOB Abdul-ian/Hamid-ian is dead? BTW. Did you know that some have interpreted Israel Ori’s name as its anagram “Il Sera Roi” (he shall be king)? Count the letters and see. Edited July 13, 2006 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrishMiSer Posted July 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 Thank you Arpa and Gamavor. Your posts more than answered my questions. Now, I too am left wondering why we choose to keep our Turkish surnames. Or Hebrew/Jewish ones for that matter. I can only believe that no matter where it is derived from, your name is a part of your identity and part of your heritage. But it is ironic and saddening. When I discussed this matter with my new friend who bears the name Israyelyan, he just reminded me that they were teghaci and that is how teghacis chose to identify themselves. Being nor -ekogh, my great-great family members chose to call themselves after the Turkish word for wheat/grain. I hve been told that back then they were most likely farmers/ bakers. Anyway, I am off to find out where my family lived in Turkey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei_Nagavitsin Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Vor patmutyan mech nayes Tigran mets@ vor Tigranakert@ karutsel pertsela 20 hazar yevreya berel vor apren Tigranakertum bayts Christoneyutyunits arach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 Arpa, Time for you to let go of what you learned in your youth in "Jibal Libnan." The Israelis will soon be joining our bandwagon. Throw off the shakles of acculturation that you learned from the elites of Beirut. Come down from those hills of affluence above Beirut and see things not for for what they have been but for what they can be. Is it not time, after 1700+ years we have surnames like Kristosian, Hisusian, Boghosian, Petrosian, Thaddeosian, Barthoghosian, or just Armen-ian? The hell with Iasrael-ian!!! Is this the Christian era or what! Israel was the nickname of that Biblical Jacob. May he and his tribe go to hell.. It is supposed to mean “with God” or whatever the hell, whoever the hell that “god” may be.. Why are we still naming our children Abraham sorry Gamavor. Or Movses again MosJan? Yeah, yeah I know MusaLer, mountain of Movses? No. It is the Mountain of the "musa's/ muses", named so many millennia even before we knew who Moses was. There is not even a shred of evidence that either of them even existed. Hayk and Aram are more historical than he ever was. Many Armenians, in their so called Christian fervor adopted that name thinking that it meant something good, and that it drew them nearer to the “chosen people“.. Many Armenian babies were named that and, consequently their heirs used their ancestors’ name as surnames. I have known a few, beside the above Israel Ori by Gamavor, whose given name was Israel. I had a very dear high school buddy whose family name was Israelian, probably, as mentioned above , in honor of an ancestor. He was never comfortable with it. We parted I our ways. Many years later I rediscovered him in America. He had a new and improved surname. Apparently, after graduating as an engineer he had had been gainfully employed in one the Gulf Emirates, and, having finally realized a surname of the kind was not a good idea in those lands, had finally decided to once and for all amend his surname. He had used his given name and devised a surname of it. Something like (I just made it up but it describes the process well) ….Armen Armenian. Why can’t those with those ugly, pejorative and disgusting Turkish surnames do the same??!! Who is stopping them? Have they not heard that SOB Abdul-ian/Hamid-ian is dead? BTW. Did you know that some have interpreted Israel Ori’s name as its anagram “Il Sera Roi” (he shall be king)? Count the letters and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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