Armen - Ermen - Erman - German? Our History

[krikorantranik]

Many theories have been told about the origins of the armenian nation before, here in this forum, and outside of it. We have been related to: Sumerians, American Indians, Chinese, Atlantians, Martians, etc......

 

Well..... This is my theory, based in some research and my own knowledge of history and idioms (it is my passion).

 

Some time ago people used to believe, that our language was a very "rare" dialect of Iranian. The scholars that proposed this weren’t Armenian and probably didn’t know the language too well, they just based their theory in some lexical parallelisms. Later on, this was proven wrong, Armenian was in deed indo-European, but from a quite distinct branch of the family, one where there was only one language: Armenian (in recent times they have added Phrygian, Thracian, and maybe Dacian to this group).

 

When the scholars tried to group Indo-European language they created two groups: Satem and Kentum, based in just one fonetic shift: k to s…… for example, the way to pronounce the word 100, Centum in Latin (c is pronounced k) or satem in Sanskrit. If we take a look at this classification, it is just another attempt from the proud Europeans or Americans to split east from west. Satem languages were conveniently: Indo-Iranians, Armenian and Baltic-Slavic; and Kentum were Latin, German, Greek, and Celts. Again, later on, this theory was proved wrong for many reasons. Some of them were:

- Germanic and Baltic language were too close linguistically and genetically speaking to be considered separated at that early stage.

- There were close relation between Greek (kentum) and Iranian (satem)

- In many languages originated from Latin the word 100 is pronounced with and “s” or “z” sound (cien, in Spanish, pronounced “zien”), are they satem ????; generally speaking the shift from c to z or s, occurred in relatively recent times.

- What is the position of Germanic languages, were the shift isn´t to k, nor to s…… but to h (hundert in geman)??????; They were tied to kentum group just because they were “western” when they had more common characteristic with the “satem” group). By the way, the Armenian word for 100 we all know it and doesn´t start whit an “s”.

- At last but not least, there were many other “shifts”. You can compare them and make your own conclusions here:

http://www.ship.edu/~cgboeree/indoeuropean.html

 

At this point Indo European families are classified as follows:

 

- Tocharian, Celts, Latins, Hitites (Anatolian), Ilirians.

- Germanic, Armenians, Greek, Iranians, Slavics.

 

Armenian is considered close related to Greek and Iranian. To Greek because of our grammar, the fun fact is that our grammar is in deed Greek, it was copied from Greek grammar in the V century by Surp Mesrop Mashtots, but again only “we” know that . And apart most of our vocabulary is Parthian (Iranian) or Greek.

If we want to compare vocabulary we must compare the most basic words:

- root: ut (Armenian) / eat, et, es (Germanic).

- Dzov / See, Zee, Sea.

- Yes – Es, Ys /I, Ik, Ich.

- Du – Tun /Du (german)

- Tun, Dun (house, Armenian) / Town (Englisch)

- Ir (to him, something like that, Armenian) / Ihr (to him, something like that), er (german)

- Em / I am

- Wotk / voed (dutch)

- Root: ëse, ase- / say, sagen

- Lsel / listen

- Mard, man

- Hink, fijf (we lost the initial “f”)

- Hayr, Fayr (Icelandic, something like that) (again we lost the initial “f”)

- Sev, Schwartz.

- Vad, Bad

- Kidel – Kennen (german)

- I cold simplely go on for hours

Well enough of linguistics, lest go to history:

 

At this point it is clear that we are a mixture of various prehistoric groups, the three mayors were:

- Urartians

- Hayassa-Azi

- Armens.

Again, we cannot forget and many other groups left a genetic proof on us: Cimmerians, Scythians, Parthians, Assyrians, Greeks, Celts, Goths, Crusaders, and like or not, Tartars. But it is true that our main ground is from the mixture of these three peoples. Now what are they????.

 

Urartians: were aboriginal to the Caucasus, linguistically are related to Georgians, and Caucasian people, they formed the main seed of our great nation.

Hayassa-Azi: we know very little about them, but we can assure that they were related to the Hittites, and the first Indo-Europeans that reached Anatolia. The name we give our nation comes from them “Hay”.

Armens: They came to the region somewhere between the 11 and VI century B.C. from central Europe. They contributed to the fall of the empires of the area; their invasion in the area is compared to the period of the fall of the Roman Empire. The Armens were like savage. Their gods were similar to the central Europeans (Tork, Thor, etc….). They weren’t the more numerous of the tribes, but somehow they imposed their language (which was very distortioned) and culture to the others.

 

Now, this is interesting: we were know to Greeks and Persians by “Armenoi, Arman, Ermen, Erman”. While we called ourselves always “Hay”. If you take in considerations that the peoples called “Germans, our Germanic” never called themselves like that (Germans call themselves Deutsche; Dutch, Nederlandse; Anglosaxons, English; and so on). The name “German”, and its form “Erman” or “Yerman” was a name that other peoples gave to a large number of tribes with similar characteristics.

 

This doesn’t mean we Armenians are “German” this mean that part of our origin is German, as part is Urartian, Hittite, Assyrian, Greek, Tartar, Celt, etc…. By the way, a blonde, tall north Italian is as “Latin” as the rather brown, darked haired, darked eyed, south Andaluzan Spaniard. In this aspect I like to compare Armenians with Italians, we are so mixed as they are. In Italy a Sicilian or Napolitan with dark hair, dark eyes and dark skin is as Italian as the blonde, blue eyes from Milan. We Armenians are just as diverse; some of us have light eyes and skin, while others are a little darker; WE ARE ALL ARMENIANS, and have ALL THE ABOVE MISTURE

[gamavor]

The tribe of Armens came to Caucasus from Central Europe, but in the German epos the reverse movement is recorded in the poem of St. Anno. The linguistic connection is obvious not only in terms of root-word examination, but also the names. Take one of the most popular female Armenian names, like (Hermine) (note the feminizing (e) at the end, also popular among German female names, like Karin(e), which by the way is an Armenian name too) and the German (H)erman. Some time ago I asked why the hell Germans have a football team called Arminia in the Bundesleage? Here is why!

 

SONG OF ST. ANNO

ARCHBISHOP OF COLOGNE.

 

When Bavaria dared to rise against him,

he at once besieged the famous Regensburg.

Here he found

helmet and byrnie,

and many bold heroes

who were defending their city.

The heathen books tell

what kind of warriors were there:

there we read "Noricus ensis",

which means, "a Bavarian sword",

for they believed

that no other blade had a better bite,

often slicing through a helmet.

This was always a brave people.

Their tribe came long ago

from the magnificent Armenia,

where Noah came out of the ark

when he received the olive twig from the dove.

The remains of the ark

are still to be found in the highlands of Ararat.

It is said that in those parts

there are still those who speak German,

far towards India.

The Bavarians always loved to go to war.

Caesar had to pay in blood

for his victory over them.

21

 

The inconstancy of the Saxons

was a cause of great trial to him: ... and so forth..

 

Would anybody ask again why Armenians do not marry non-Armenians?

[Arpa]

Hermine is none other than the Greek Hermione.

Many sites about the subject here is one of them from Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermione_(mythology)

Hermione (mythology)

In Greek mythology, Hermione was a daughter of Menelaus and Helen. Before the Trojan War began, she was betrothed to Orestes, her cousin through Menelaus' brother, Agamemnon. In the play Orestes by Euripides, Orestes takes her hostage and threatens to kill her. Later, her father wanted her to marry Neoptolemus. Her jealosy is the center of Andromache, another play by Euripides, in which she attempted to have Andromache and her child through Neoptolemus murdered. Andromache had been made a slave by Neoptolemus at the end of the trojan war, and Hermione did not want to share his love with her. After failing this, she escaped with Orestes. The two men fought over her and Neoptolemus was killed.

The tribe of Armens came to Caucasus from Central Europe, but in the German epos the reverse

SONG OF ST. ANNO

ARCHBISHOP OF COLOGNE.

When Bavaria dared to rise...

This was always a brave people.

Their tribe came long ago

from the magnificent Armenia,

where Noah came out of the ark

Oh, how we melt like Marash ice cream as soon as we see our name in foreign literature, German no less. How we spread our legs wide as soon as we are mildly stroked, specially when such words as "Magnificent Armenia" are used. Rape is not an act of love.

The above is no less a hogwash than that bastardized Armenian historiography linking our origin to that moron Noah. When it comes to that Germans are no different from Ermans, flaunting their Christianness and try and find a niche in the house of the “chosen people” to legitimize our very existence with a license from those who wrote that book of lies aka Bible and who “control” who has the right to exist and be called children of God.

Now that we established , without the shadow of a doubt that we are indeed from the family of Noah, we will bolster that even further by connecting with the Germans. It would be much easier to connect to the Turk, besides they both are murderous qatsordi shan zavakner.

Remember that when the Germans panned to reach Baku they did not seek the collaboration of the Armenian but instead they allied with those other “german-like” people who in their turn have produced such murderous monsters like Stalin and Beria, and now are flirting with the Turk, repopulating the Armenian provinces with Meshketian Turks to counter the Armenian “threat”.

Let us not count our chickens yet as at the prevailing trend of repatriation and immigration germanistan will soon be known as turkistan.

Edited December 25, 2005 by Arpa

[gamavor]

Arpa, I perfectly understand what you are saying, but the case in point was that for medieval Germans it was a compliment to be somehow connected to Armenia, just like today is a compliment for many insecure Armenians to be associated with Europe and in particular Germany, as a strong and modern country.

 

As to Noah's progeny I don't know. All I know is that if you look at the history as a time span, indeed the greatness of all civilizations was simply a recorded movement from East to West. We, as Armenians have had our time of glory. Later the ones westward of our domain, have had their share of glory and so forth all the way to the Atlantic ocean and beyond.

 

The burning question of today is how and should we restore our glory?

 

[Garo 13]

Has anybody ever heard of the village Baghramyan?

[Garo 13]

And if you have please tell.