Maral Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Everytime this song comes on I have to stop,close my eyes and listen.... It gives me the most strangest feeling...I can't explain it...dunno....it just gets me every time I hear it..no matter who is singing it... Is it just me???????????????????????????????? (NO I havn't been drinking!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 i like Zarouhi Babayan's performance... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted December 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 i like Zarouhi Babayan's performance... do you know where I can get the words to that song online? Armenian or English is fine.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 (edited) do you know where I can get the words to that song online? Armenian or English is fine.... Maral, look here; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=9911&hl= A few posts down you will see te words and the music. It is funny. No it is not! How the word/namէ becomes so corruppted that even we cannot recognize it anymore. Blame the Istanbul diakect. No, the Araratian dialect. Originally it was spelled "cilicia" in Greek where the C was supposed to sound like the Armenian "gim/Գ" to mean stony/calcarous/քարքարոտ, as to the Greeks the land was barren and stony. Then came the Kiliketsis, they took the Greek "gamma" and they pronounce it as "kamma" and pronounced the name as "kilikia" which in Armenian would transliterate to "Կիլիկիա", and by reverse transliteration it became "kilikia"Կիլիկիա. If the original Greek name was "cilicia" then it should have been tranliterated as "Գիլիգիա" as the Greek Gamma corresponds to the Armenian "Gim/Գ". I give up. When the gates of Գիլիգիա open again, Երբ որ բացուին դռներն յուսոյ only then Winter will get the H... out of our land/Եւ մեր երկրէն փախ տայ ցմեր. Ցանկամ տեսնել զիմ Գիլիգիա? Do you wish to see Kilikia again? Do you have a passport? Have you obtained a visa at the T....sh consulate? You will see Kilikia after you see the back of your neck/ծոծրակ. (An Armenian saying). Edited December 12, 2005 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted December 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Maral, look here; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=9911&hl= A few posts down you will see te wordas and the music PERFECT! thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karakash Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Maral, look here; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=9911&hl= A few posts down you will see te words and the music. It is funny. No it is not! How the word/namէ becomes so corruppted that even we cannot recognize it anymore. Blame the Istanbul diakect. No, the Araratian dialect. Originally it was spelled "cilicia" in Greek where the C was supposed to sound like the Armenian "gim/Գ" to mean stony/calcarous/քարքարոտ, as to the Greeks the land was barren and stony. Then came the Kiliketsis, they took the Greek "gamma" and they pronounce it as "kamma" and pronounced the name as "kilikia" which in Armenian would transliterate to "Կիլիկիա", and by reverse transliteration it became "kilikia"Կիլիկիա. If the original Greek name was "cilicia" then it should have been tranliterated as "Գիլիգիա" as the Greek Gamma corresponds to the Armenian "Gim/Գ". I give up. When the gates of Գիլիգիա open again, Երբ որ բացուին դռներն յուսոյ only then Winter will get the H... out of our land/Եւ մեր երկրէն փ ախ տայ ցմեր. Ցանկամ դեսնել ցիմ Գիլիգիա? Do you wish to see Kilikia again? Do you have a passport? Have you obtained a visa at the T....sh consulate? You will see Kilikia after you see the back of your neck/ծոծրակ. (An Armenian saying). I don't understand the criticism of the song's lyrics. Should all Armenian patriotic songs about 1918 and that era also be forgotten? What about the songs about Artsakh's liberation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 I don't understand the criticism of the song's lyrics. Should all Armenian patriotic songs about 1918 and that era also be forgotten? What about the songs about Artsakh's liberation? No body is out to ban any song. Only that they are being used as intstruments of defiance and sabotage. There is nothing wrong with words of the song. In fact it is very lyrical and a highly polished poem. It is also very inspirational. It is not the song but the spirit it is sung with, reminiscent of Mer Hayrenik which with most disgusting words (Tshvar Anter ) at one time was sung in defiance to Soviet Armenia, “tshvar anter”. And as to the respective tunes of the two songs, what “tshvar/miserable” excuse of a “music” it is, it belongs in the trash can of literature and music, specially compared to the music of Kilikia, highly artistic and operatic. No wonder. The latter was composed by a professionally trained classical composer Gabriel Yeranian (1827-1862) a contemporary of Tigran Choukhaian(I removed the turkifying “j”). More about the composer under another cover. Once again as to the words and music of Kilikia I would much rather it replace that miserable excuse for an anthem. Even the music of Sovetakan composed by AK would be much welcome change. (That is another subject). Just like you refer to HH Garegin I being invited to Ejmiatsin, at that same time Mer Hayrenik along with the Yeraguyn were also adopted in hopes that it would unite the nation. How naïve? That they did not anticipate that the daspora is really not “Armenian” in the true sense but a whole “another nation” by itself still dreaming to go back to Sis and Marash. That is my problem with the song. Songs are songs, some beautiful others not but to use them as instruments of defiance and sabotage is not healthy, neither for oneself nor for the nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karakash Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 No body is out to ban any song. Only that they are being used as intstruments of defiance and sabotage. There is nothing wrong with words of the song. In fact it is very lyrical and a highly polished poem. It is also very inspirational. It is not the song but the spirit it is sung with, reminiscent of Mer Hayrenik which with most disgusting words (Tshvar Anter ) at one time was sung in defiance to Soviet Armenia, “tshvar anter”. And as to the respective tunes of the two songs, what “tshvar/miserable” excuse of a “music” it is, it belongs in the trash can of literature and music, specially compared to the music of Kilikia, highly artistic and operatic. No wonder. The latter was composed by a professionally trained classical composer Gabriel Yeranian (1827-1862) a contemporary of Tigran Choukhaian(I removed the turkifying “j”). More about the composer under another cover. Once again as to the words and music of Kilikia I would much rather it replace that miserable excuse for an anthem. Even the music of Sovetakan composed by AK would be much welcome change. (That is another subject). Just like you refer to HH Garegin I being invited to Ejmiatsin, at that same time Mer Hayrenik along with the Yeraguyn were also adopted in hopes that it would unite the nation. How naïve? That they did not anticipate that the daspora is really not “Armenian” in the true sense but a whole “another nation” by itself still dreaming to go back to Sis and Marash. That is my problem with the song. Songs are songs, some beautiful others not but to use them as instruments of defiance and sabotage is not healthy, neither for oneself nor for the nation. I assume you mean that Karekin I was "invited" by LTP... There was probably even more arm twisting in the 1999 election of Karekin II. The government got its way again... I remember after Armenia became independent, some hardcore tashnag family friends were dismayed that the government took "our flag" and "our anthem" and then "our vehapar." I love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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