Harout Pambukjyan

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Mj Barekam Sayat-Nova Ashurr er yerqahan / kompozitor ham el TAguhu sirats@ .

es mer PArchak HArut@ Yerkicha kataror.

chem kartsum Sayat-novayin kareli e Vorakazrkel yev HAmematel mer tsankatsats Rabiz yergichi het .

 

 

Berj jan vorjuyn esur es vor? inch ka chka ? shsheri gorts@ vontsa ? statsvuma ?

 

Minchev aram asatryan@ enter K@ku U Totik kar enter Mino u afon kar, enter Surik u boka kar enkan kayin ha Tatul@ moratsa Konstatin Orbelyani pes mardun berel Voske Ashnan@ kangnatsrel en bemi vra vor dashnamur n@vagi, isk Tatulin BMW stadyon@ 3 krug man en talsi yev jorourtn el siruma tsapa talis irar en antsel Tatul en goruum ehh Jorovurt jorovurt.

Asatryaneri Dinastyan vor amis@ 2 hat taza yerga mogonum hanum mi kich tarbera myusnerits

nor yerger & gortsikavorumn el vat chi shnorhiv Levoni & HAykoyi

 

 

darer araj Yerkichner@ derasaner@ jorovrtin yev uraxatsnelu hamar eyin , Sharjvum eyin Jorvrty Kariknerin hamadziyn ,

hima jamanakner@ poxvela

jorovurtn@ es artistnerin urax pahelu yev harstatsnelu . yev mi moratsek es mer artistner@ shat mets azdetsutyun unen jorvrty vra, n@ranst sharj u dzev@ n@ranst hakats shorer@ u qshats mekenaner@.

 

Mj mi kopit hamematutyun anenk .

mek shabat arach LA 3 hamergner kayin

#1 Harout pambukjyan

#2 LA norasterts Jor-Gortsikneri ansambli #1 hamerg@

#3 Maxsim + Paul + Goyrun kasanjyani

 

HArouty hamerg@ tsiyrits tsiyr dahlij@ ltsvel er.

 

norasterts Jor-gortsikneri ansambli dahlij@ miyayn yev miyayn 40% dra kesn el hraviratoms er .

 

maxsim paul goyrun el de Yerel en eli 60-70%.

 

jisht haskatsek chem asum Harout@ lava uraki mer Jahelner@ Haykakan Jor Gortsikneri yev mer HAykakan Azgayin yerg u yerashtutyan@ iynkan el kapnvats chen , mite yete Maman Papan dzerkits brnen tanen Hamerg . Jor-gortsikneri Dahliji himnakan handisatesner@ mer Tatik papiknern eyin .inchpisin er Gurgen Dabaryani mi knao HAmergner@ lep letsun dahlijner 10% yeritasardner 90% Tatik papikner.

de hima duk asek indz te vorkanov enk mek Yeritasardners heratsel mer Azgayin mshakuytits.

2 Americatsy @enkerner unem vor Oclandits qshel eyin 6-7 jam LA yekel vor HAmergin nerka lineyin , Iskakan Haykakan Yerashtutyun lseyin, Haykakan Duduk Zurna Qyamancha lselu hamar, isk hents nuyn Glandalum apror mer HAyer@ vor 5 rope heru eyin aprum dahlijits ur eyin ?

 

ehh amen inch popoxakan e yev amen inch ir jamanakn@ yev terr@ uni yerevi ,HArutner@ yev aramner@ srank jamanakavor yerevuytner en ,

hazaravor rabiz yergichner kan , sakayn srantsits kanisn en mnalu Hay azgi srty mej tariner ants ? shat q@cher@,

Yev huysov em jamank k@ga vor menq HAyers mi kich aveli l@rjoren h@partoren k@ndunenk yev k@zbarvenk Mer HAykakan HArazat mshakuytov.

 

Tamam Ashxar P@tit yeka

chitori ha-bash nazani

el chutesa qo debari pes

dun dipunen vash nazani

endu hamar qiz tesnor@

asum e te vay vash nazani

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Dear MosJan,

 

But we have many good Sayat-Nova performers, right? For example, Flora Martirosyan, who I remember had been residing in LA some 7 years ago. Don't know where she might be now. We should've asked her, Hovhannes Badalyan, Rouben Matevosian, what they have thought of Haruts, and him alike. I know at least what Flora used to think - and she refused to compromise, perhaps at the expense of her personal financial success.

 

As far as your example, and the demand of our colony is concerned, that's what troubles me. I think it is some kind of vicious circle - this is what the people demand, but on the other hand, this is the education they get - what else they would demand, if it is being offered to them with such intensity, as to shape their taste and preferences.

 

It seems to me that the two of us have no more arguments

 

But I am less tolerant to that expression of "art." By in large, people go for what is easy and, unfortunately, Harout is indeed easy.

 

Don't know any of the other names mentioned in your and Berj's messages.

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Who was it that asked, I forget....but here's the answer:

 

My criteria for rating singers: a voice!!, formal music training, (depending on the genre) repertoire, range, stage presence, creativity and ability to change with the times, manners!!, to name a few

 

I believe that aside from decent musical ability an artist must also have personality, a certain charm that sets him/her apart from the rest of the field ...(this is difficult to explain)

 

I realize, however, that given the general lack of standards in pop music, not every artist is going to be able to fulfill these criteria...but, as we say in armenian, "xixjnel lav bana"...there is no reason why the general public has to be subjected to "musicians" like harut and countless other rabiz flakes...

 

ehhh, i'm getting annoyed again just thinking about this...

 

lol

gayan

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Originally posted by Gayane:

...but, as we say in armenian, "xixjnel lav bana"...there is no reason why the general public has to be subjected to "musicians" like harut and countless other rabiz flakes...

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But they obviously vote "yes" with their dollars. There has been and always will be fans of shallow pop music in any country and era. So Harout's the musical equivalent of junk food. Who doesn't like Doritos every now and then?

People eat too much junk food (both metaphorically and literally!) We just need to make sure everyone gets their fruits and veggies, too.

Is music an artform or a business? Both.

Now please pass the barbeque sauce, my Celine Dion is lacking in flavor.

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3 or 4 music shops in glendale???!!!!! Where have you been?...lol...there are many more...you say fortunately, i say unfortunately..lol..

 

Gayane

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Originally posted by Pilafhead:

What are the current popular groups/singers in Armenia that sound Armenian (whatever that is!

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Well Nune is already very popular. Jivan is classic. Violin melodies of Karo Karapetyan are as popular as they were in 70s and 80s, so I think that's smth to become classic too. Actually, Karo is an example of good melody arrangement. He was the first to perform folk songs with violin-guitar-dhol trio. Smooth sound, nothing vulgar. I like him.

Shushan, Lilit, Sona-popular among educated youth.

Tata, Levon Abrahamyan-smth to listen to after having barbeque.

Aram Asatryan, Tatoul-they rule the suberbs of Yerevan. Mix of all Middle Eastern, Minor Asian and Causacian sounds. Thrash

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Thanks Berj!!

 

I will print out your post and try to track some of those down. Fortunately, there are 3 or 4 Armenian music shops in Glendale.

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Originally posted by Gayane:


3 or 4 music shops in glendale???!!!!! Where have you been?...lol...there are many more...you say fortunately, i say unfortunately..lol..

Gayane

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Really? I meant 3 or 4 Armenian ones (Gtak, Pe-ko and someother one on Glendale), but you're right I can think of a few more I forgot Ahktamar (s*cks) & Garni. I can't remember if Parseghian relocated from Hollywood or not.

Why don't you like them? Is it the junk they peddle? I always get a cold/rude reaction when I go into any of those places. Like they're doing me a favor. Jeez, I'm a customer for christsakes. Maybe I should put on a silk shirt, a gold chain and enter with a cigarette-smoke laden, "Inch bes, gor?"

I still have yet to go into Gtak. They might throw rocks at me and call me names.


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I dont think nowbody has a right to make harsh judgments about anybody without knowing %100. Nobody has the right to dirty someones rep.What people do to there bodies is there problem but the fact of the matter is that he is a pioneer in the music industry.Sorry for being a bit harsh but a am in the music industry also and revolt comments like that specially when there is no proof.

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All I can say to your analysis of Armenian merchants Pilafhead, is an resounding AMEN! I am glad I am not the only one to find most Armenian merchants to be incredibly rude, especially if they find out you are Armenian. I used to have a complex that maybe it was because I am half, but now I am not so sure. In fact I think they are nicer to odars! Example is Massis Kabob at the Montebello Mall. The guy, a Barskahay, is always a bit aloof toward me. The other day I went with some fellow teachers to eat there, they themselves noticed this, yet the owner was very chummy chummy with every Mexican customer, sweet talking them! Why are we like this?

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FarsiJan,

 

What a shame those people were rude!

 

I am an armenian , but you can say I'm ever like that to you? Can you?

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Kazza, you are a sweetheart! If only all Armenians were like you!

 

Everyone else, leave poor Harout alone already! Like it or not we all will listen to him! Admit it! In Barskahayeren: Basaw dige, inch kan vat baner'enk asum badbakh martin masin!

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i've been reading this interesting thread from the beginning, and all it has done is left me shaking my head in disbelief with regards to some of the comments made.

 

1st of all, to say that harout is a joke means that the guy hasn't done any contributions to armenian pop music. and that is simply not true. if any of you have heard his early material (late 70's - mid 80's), from a POP MUSIC standpoint, it's pretty good. i think his vol. 1 & 2 is especially interesting. i do agree that his later material is forgettable, but i think it's absolutely unfair to call him a joke, especially when some of you guys admitted that a lot of musicians copied his style.

 

2nd, how in the world can MJ say that harout's music style has encouraged the actions of the so-called "rabizagans" in glendale?? come on, man! that's as ignorant a statement as all those conservatives made about judas priest in the 80's causing youngsters to commit suicide. the fact is that those kids live the way they do because of the way their FAMILIES brought them up, not the music they listen to. if you're gonna blame the tragedies and violence that occur in glendale and hollywood on somebody, blame the families, not music! harout's songs in no way have anything to do with violence, - they encourage happiness and joy.

 

lastly, regarding harout's musical credibility, let me ask all you guys a simple question, "what do you expect?" i think we all need to realize that harout, along with other popular armenian musicians in that genre, don't make musical credibility a priority when they put out their albums. some of you guys even admitted it when you labeled this pop music consisting of nothing more than drum machines and synthesizers. the fact is that pop music, whether it's armenian, american, or british, has never made musical credibility its priority, - it's always been about the lyrics and how it makes the listener feel.

 

and that, my friends, is what harout has always been about, - HOW HE MAKES YOU FEEL. the guy's talent is not in his music, it's in his charisma and his ability to make people enjoy themselves. not surprisingly, his most common gigs, to this day, are weddings and engagements. why? see 2nd sentence of this paragraph.

 

sincerely,

 

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Raffi

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Charisma???!!!!!!!

Charisma??!!??!!??

You think that provincial flake has charisma??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

OH-MY-GOD!

 

lol...your comment prompted an unsurpassed show of emotion from me on this forum, and I'm pretty emotional!

 

wow...that's all I have to say on that one.

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Originally posted by YLeeKyote:
i do agree that his later material is forgettable

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I like it. But then again, I like Slayer and Phish, so I guess I have zero credibility.



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gayane, let me elaborate what i meant regarding harout's charisma. this year, i went to 7 weddings, courtesy of my extended family. of the 7 weddings i went to, some consisted of a band and dj, others a dj only, and others still consisting of a band only. in addition, some of these families were of rusa-hye origin, others from greece, beirut, and armenia (hayastansi's). only 2 of these weddings involved harout singing at the reception. and for me, i had the most fun at those 2 weddings. why? i don't know...maybe it was amusing to see harout dancing on stage like a monkey, or maybe it was because the guy frequently danced with the others on the dance floor, or maybe it was his choice of songs, or maybe it was the way in which he said, "da-shi! da-shi!" during the songs! but you see, the other bands didn't have the ability to rouse up the crowd like harout did. why? because they have no charisma. harout's presence in an atmosphere like a wedding or engagement somehow gets the crowd into enjoying the festivity. in the other 5 weddings i went to, the crowd was simply dead. maybe it was because the dj stunk, or maybe because the singers stunk, too. but with harout, you just look at the guy and see his gestures and his smile, and it makes you smile too. for example, i remember during one of the weddings, in the middle of a song this nutcase jumped on top of the amps & started dancing on the amps with a silk scarf! it was totally hilarious! everybody on the dance floor was looking at him and laughing with him! stuff like this, charisma, - defined as the special quality that gives an individual influence over large numbers of people, - is what the guys possesses.

 

what do you think?

 

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Raffi

 

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Harut Pambukchyan is really a nice estradayin singer. No kidding he is not Pavarotti.

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Everyone, listen. I think some Armenian musicians and listeners are curpted because some of them haven't really graduated the Konservatory, and the listeners can not differentiate that because they are idiots or they scattered all over earth during the genocide; and dont know what is pure armenian music. all of a sudden about more than 3/4 of armenian became singers in america during the fled from armenia.

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Mike, you're hilarious

 

Raffi jan, that's not charisma, that's tactless, obnoxious, and drunk behavior. I've had the great misfortune of being in the same room with Harut when the UCLA ASA (armenian students' association) threw their so-called "Harut dance" a year or two back. He is a living breathing caveman.

 

lol...Mike jan, no offense (I know you like the guy), but I have serious concerns about the psychological well being of the people who would invite him to sing at their wedding.

 

(gosh, this is highly uncharacteristic of me...i don't usually insult people like that, but harut sets me off for some reason)

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Originally posted by Gayane:
I have serious concerns about the psychological well being of the people who would invite him to sing at their wedding.

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Man, you really dislike him. He's just a singer, Shamiram. Did he molest you or something? Or just culturally molest you?

(For the record, at my wedding, I had a Armenian friend do a beautiful solo Armenian dance in full costume. High brow Hye.)

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Dancers wearing the traditional "taraz" dancing to traditional armenian music are fine!!!!

 

and for the record, I plan to wear traditional armenian dress on my wedding day instead of the typical and very boring white gown...and I'm going to make my groom wearing a traditional armenian costume too... as well as all the bridesmaids and ushers... lol...how's that for unconventional...lol...

 

but shhhhh, I don't want anyone stealing the idea...lol...seriously, I want to be the first to do this...I think after me this will catch fire with the girls in the states...just watch...

 

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Originally posted by Half Breed:
I am glad I am not the only one to find most Armenian merchants to be incredibly rude, especially if they find out you are Armenian.

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Steve,

I've been thinking about this. I had assumed it was because I clearly am Americanized. But you speak the language, so I don't know what to make of it.

Do you think we somehow put them on the defensive? That is, they assume we consider them disgraceful FOBs (not true), so they cop an attitude?

If not, then we should be the ones on the defensive, because they're considering us to be too odar-ized.

Someday you and I can conduct field studies under Gayane's direction.

Mike-who-is-part-McDonalds-part-Armenian

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I'm probably more armenian than both of you guys put together yet even I find them rude, etc. LOL, you guys are over analyzing-- taught ya quickly, didn't I?... lol... They're just rude, plain and simple. No reasons. They just are.