How To Make Armenia Prosperous Country?

[gamavor]

How to make Armenia prosperous country?

 

What kind of Armenia we want? What social models should be employed? Do you think Armenia can be a prosperous country in her present borders? Which are the immediate tasks that the Armenian government should face?

 

Should we plan Genocide of the Turks in the future?

Should we make concessions to the Azeri Turks?

Should we tie our foreign policy with the West?

 

 

 

 

I don't know the answer, that's why I'm asking

 

Please consider in your answers Armenian community at large.

[kakachik77]

Should we plan Genocide of the Turks in the future?

 

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decrease the hatred for Turks and concentrate on more important issues, like selling Kotayk beer to Turkey, which they love by the way

[ED]

Gems please let me know what you're smoking pal, will you? I want some of that s^$t

[gamavor]

decrease the hatred for Turks and concentrate on more important issues, like selling Kotayk beer to Turkey, which they love by the way

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Good point! But this is the long way to prosperity! Isn't it better just to ....... and steal whatever we can steal and sell it to the Brits?

[gamavor]

Gems please let me know what you're smoking pal, will you? I want some of that s^$t

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"Davidoff Classic"

 

http://www.discount-cigarettes-store.com/davidoff/

 

[TMNT]

In all honesty, I see no future for Armenia as long as Armenians worship the green dollar. Armenia has no resources, no industry, and any attempt to invest in the country is followed by ridicule or talks of corruption. Why would any capitalist invest in Armenia? Where is the profit ? Show returns and you will have a prosperous Armenia or else the fate of Armenia will be the same as the rest of the "free world", specifically, Africa and South America. You will see regime change after regime change, one puppet government after another will exploit Armenians for the geopolitical ends of foreign powers.

 

Conclusion, hindsight is only 20/20, the fall of Soviet Union was also the fall of Armenia, Armenians didn't have the luxuries of the western world, but at least Armenians had a higher standard of living. As long as there is money to be made, whether Turk or Armenian, the green dollar does not discriminate.

 

By the way, I would go into details, but I am done writing. There is no point in writing and like an intelligent board member once pointed out; you end up sounding like a comatose alcoholic, take care.

 

EDIT: Had to delete comments that I feel are off topic.

Edited May 18, 2005 by TMNT

[Z'areh]

what's with this Davidiff stuff I have better cigars cheaper and Armenian, that can compete witht the best!

 

http://www.cigarsforless.com/Cigars_in_US/Avo.htm

 

http://www.pgcigars.com/

 

http://www.avo.com/html/en/e_home.htm

 

http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar/CA_Pr...0,2547,151,00.h tml

 

And as a bonus, you'll get to meet the Julliard graduate Avo Uvezian, who composed the famous song "strangers in the night" sung by non-other than Frank Sinatra

 

 

Davidoff, bahhh no wonder your sense of humour sucks (planing Turkish genocide you say)

[MosJan]

and all of this wan i'm duing my best to stop smoking ????

 

 

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

 

i need some BAkhlava Tulumba or even Better AnNaLi or GAtha Of GArni

[Z'areh]

MosJan, how about clicking on different versions of "strangers in the night" as an anti-smoking therapy

 

 

http://www.mp3.com/search.php?stype=song&q...=22&action.y=10

[gamavor]

what's with this Davidiff stuff I have better cigars cheaper and Armenian, that can compete witht the best!

 

http://www.cigarsforless.com/Cigars_in_US/Avo.htm 

 

http://www.pgcigars.com/

 

http://www.avo.com/html/en/e_home.htm

 

http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar/CA_Pr...0,2547,151,00.h tml

 

And as a bonus, you'll get to meet the Julliard graduate Avo Uvezian, who composed the famous song "strangers in the night" sung by non-other than Frank Sinatra

Davidoff, bahhh no wonder your sense of humour sucks (planing Turkish genocide you say)

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I tried them. They are good. I've spotted one store in Austin decorated with many Armenian flags and it was Avo's Cigar Store. They are good, however there is nothing Armenian about them.

 

As to the Turkish Genocide - why not! Turks deny the Armenian, so if we do the same to them, they won't complain - those that survive!

Same goes for the International community - if Turks can kill million people and get away with it, why not WE? They will forgive us as true Europeans. Plus Turkey's neighbours would be forever indebted to us!

[Anahit]

Which are the immediate tasks that the Armenian government should face?

 

Amend the Ministry of Science and Education!

 

Should we plan Genocide of the Turks in the future?

 

NO!!!! NEVER!!! astvaz ta gnan, bayc mer jerkov chgnan... We should never go down to their level!

 

Do you think Armenia can be a prosperous country in her present borders?

 

Yes.

[armjan]

The Enhancement of Armenia-Diaspora Relations as a Way of Addressing the Challenges Facing the Armenian Nation

 

La Crescenta, CA - The community is invited to a public lecture/discussion by Armen Ayvazyan, PhD in political science and history, titled "The Enhancement of Armenia-Diaspora Relations as a Way of Addressing the Challenges Facing the Armenian Nation" on Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 8:15pm, at Crescenta Valley Armenian Center, located at 2633 Honolulu Avenue in the City of Montrose, California. The speaker's lecture will view qualitative improvement of Armenia-Diaspora relations as a major way to addressing the current challenges of the Armenian nation, including the perspectives for the settlement of Nagorno-Karabagh conflict, the Armenian-Turkish and Armenian-Azerbaijani relations, the problem of Javakhk, and the demographic and social-economic situation of Armenia. The lecture is open to the public.

 

Dr. Armen Ayvazyan is a Senior Researcher in the Matenadaran, the Yerevan Institute of Medieval Manuscripts and an Assistant Professor of Political Science at the American University of Armenia. He is also the Team Leader of the European Commission's sponsored Campaign Against “Corruption-Freindly” Legal and Social Settings in Armenia program. He holds doctoral degrees in History (1992) and Political Science (2004). From 1992 to 1994 he worked as Assistant to the President of Armenia, Adviser to the Foreign Minister of Armenia, and Acting Head of the Armenian Delegation to the Conference (now Organization) on Security and Cooperation in Europe at Vienna. He was a recipient of an International Security Studies grant provided by the Carnegie Corporation of New York, working in affiliation with the Program on the Analysis and Resolution of Conflicts, Maxwell School of Citizenship and Public Affairs, Syracuse University (1995). During the 1997-1998 academic year, he was a Visiting Senior Fulbright Scholar, affiliated with the Center for Russian and East European Studies, Stanford University, USA. He was a Visiting Alexander S. Onassis Foundation Fellow at ELIAMEP, Hellenic Foundation for European and Foreign Policy (2000-2001). Dr. Ayvazyan was also a Fellow at the American University of Armenia’s Center for Policy Analysis and a Guest Lecturer at the Yerevan State University. Dr. Ayvazyan is the author of several books, book chapters, and many articles in Armenian and international journals.

 

While visiting the United States, Dr. Armen Ayvazyan has been scheduled to appear on numerous media programs and series of lectures. For further information, regarding the May 26th event, please contact the organizing committee: Armenian National Committee, La Crescenta Chapter at (818) 248-1100.

[Anahit]

Plus Turkey's neighbours would be forever indebted to us!

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mi anekdot hishecrir...

[Artaxias]

Do you think Armenia can be a prosperous country in her present borders?

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NEVER!

There are few spots on earth that are worse, but we do the best we can with it.

No point to advocate further liberation, when Armenians are becoming extinct with a low birth rate, mixed race marriages and glorification of diaspora.

 

Myus koghmic el verevi vochxar harevanner@ tsovi apov ev Evropayi mutkov mez chen hasnum...

[ED]

  mi anekdot hishecrir...

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che Anahit jan edpes chexav, hisheles pity patmes, shaxmati orenq@ es forumum lriv kirarvum e

[ED]

Gamavor jan here is how

 

 

 

AZERIS PREFER ARMENIAN COGNAC

 

Many Armenia products are sold in Baku shops.

 

According to Azeri "Day.az" informational web-portal, Armenian products have again appeared on the market in Baku. It is said, that in Baku one can freely buy "Ararat" cognac, "Jermuk" mineral water, "Cigaronne" cigarettes and other products. It is also mentioned that non-official relations between Armenia and Azerbaijan have never been stopped. At the same time the author notes that state structures do everything possible to stop the import of Armenian products.

 

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ The logic of the opponents of the goods with "Made in Armenia" label consists in the following: the buyer of those products supports the replenishment of the budget that funds Armenian army. However, this argument does not quite impress Arzeri businessmen. The import of Armenian products to Azerbaijan increases. According to Azeri mass media, the shadow turnover runs up to 40 million dollars. Besides the mentioned products the shops of Azerbaijan also sell Sevan white-fish, potatoes from Vardenis, Yerevanian shoes, chemicals produced in Vanadzor, bentonite from Ijevan and so on. The electric lamps produced by Armenian "Grand Son" company also used to be very popular in Azerbaijan, let alone the fact that the majority of wedding parties in Baku are accompanied by the recordings of Armenian singer Boka who used to live in Baku.

 

Jewelries made by Armenian jewelers enjoy popular demand in Azerbaijan. According to "Echo" newspaper, all the fairs and specialized shops openly sell the jewelries of Yerevan Jewelry Factory which is at least proved by the "EU7" sign which is an evidence of Armenian origin. Not long ago local experts made a sensational statement. They suppose that not all the products with "EU7" sign are produced in Armenia. Particularly, Emin Fatullaev, a famous expert-evaluator in Baku, supposes that in reality some part of the jewelries is produced underground in Azerbaijan and the Armenian is put for the product to sell good. It turns out, that Armenian production is trusted even more than that of Azerbaijan.

 

There are also quite many product of Azeri origin on the Armenian market. Oil-products, tea, air-conditioners, red fish, red and black caviar, fruits and dried fruits are imported from Azerbaijan via Georgia and Iran. Last year when corn prices in Armenia jumped up, 50kg sacks of flour produced in Gyanja and Shamkhor appeared on the Armenian market. But the most striking is that 8 years ago even "Sumgait" washing powders were imported to Armenia. Thus, it is quite obvious that pragmatic Armenian businessmen adhere to the slogan "Business has no boundaries", even in situations when it may be immoral.

 

But in Baku this subject is treated much more painfully than in Yerevan. The tax ministry conducts regular checkings to find Armenian products and to punish those who sell them. It should be noted that tax authorities withdraw not only goods produced in Armenia, but also those produced at companies belonging to ethnic Armenians. The employees of the tax ministry of Azerbaijan were very proud to stop the import of canned fish produced in Murmansk only because they were signed with "Ararat" brand. The same thing was done with wristwatches purchased from Moscow "Dadlis M" company because the joint owner of the company is someone whose family is Shirinyan.

 

Of course such sanctions make little changes, especially because those sanctions are illegal. Azeri authorities make attempts to provide legal base to the actions against Armenian import. Last year, under the pressure of the Union of Free Customers, MP Zahid Orouj started working up a bill, which will call to take legal actions against those who sell Armenian products. According to the bill, sellers of Armenian goods will be fined with 5500 manats (1000 US dollars) or even imprisoned for 6-12 months. The initiators of the anti-Armenian propaganda intend to pass a bill in Azeri parliament that will prohibit the import of Armenian products.

 

OK, let them pass the bill. It will be harmful not for Armenia, but first of all for Azerbaijan. The thing is not only that instead of cheap Armenian shoes, customers will have to buy Turkish shoes of doubtful quality. The consequences may be much more serious, since Azerbaijan strives to enter the World Trade Organization. (Armenia is already a member of that international organization). And if Azeri law-makers, in contrast to Azeri businessmen have such a great disdain for Armenian products they will have to give up the idea of joining the World Trade Organization, because it is an organization that is aims to create a unified market and does not accept any artificial restrictions in trade. Countries that support such restrictions suffer severe economic sanctions from WTO.

 

Artyom Yerkanyan

 

14.05.2005, "PanARMENIAN Network" analytical department

[Anahit]

che Anahit jan edpes chexav, hisheles pity patmes, shaxmati orenq@ es forumum lriv kirarvum e

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Bayc yes anekdot patmeluc hech lav chem，ham el hin anekdot a hastat gItek。。。ham el ays subject-ic heru a… ham el SKIZBN CHEM HISHUM!!!!! de lav, de lav, kich ardaranam, bayc irok skzbi mas chem hishum, bayc verjanum e nranov, vor mi mard ira knoj moric inch vor mi jev azatvum e (karzem tuyn e xmacnum, te inch…), hajord orn garajum 2 mercedes e gtum, vran el graz: BAJANAXNERIC (ete chem sxalvum, aydpes en kochum knoj kuyreri amusinnerin, che?)

[Armen]

I think among other things Armenia needs to find out how to sell itself. Create an image and sell it.