Stench From The Army

[Aaron]

Ok, that's it

 

The last article on the murder of a soldier, Hayk Sargsyan, disgusts me unimaginably. To the point that if a vaccine existed with which i could change my nationality and my blood, I wouldn't hesitate a second.

 

Our best guys, the motivated and patriotic ones go to serve voluntarily .... they get killed by their own, and the crime is covered by a dirty, corrupt bureaucratic group of "oghi drinking" and "khorovats" eating, "lopaz", fat and "big belly" rats, who think they can do anything just because they participated to the war.

 

Damn it, we should have a squad that would go put bullets in the heads of the supervising commanders..... a little brutal, but certainly the only way in a country where the words "law" and "justice" are entering museums as "ancient litterature" or "ancient concept" vocabulary.

 

I don't care if you don't like my message, i had to get it out! And usually i am very calm!

 

Here is the article, read it... its the least you can do, no?

A.

 

 

 

Death of a Patriot: Yet another suspicious army death

 

By Zhanna Alexanyan

ArmeniaNow Reporter

 

On March 17 the Sargsyan family of Avan village was called to Ashtarak Military Commission Headquarters and told that their son, junior commander Hayk Sargsyan had been killed by border fighting.

 

 

“Mother’s love will never die”, wrote Haik in a poem to his mother

However on the day of their son’s funeral Lieutenant Colonel Edik Melkumyan told Hayk’s father Ishkhan Sargsyan that his son “was killed by a scum”, meaning someone from within his unit.

 

The father says he asked Melkumyan if his son was killed by Azeri gunfire and was told no. He then asked if Hayk had committed suicide. Again he was told no.

 

A few days after the funeral the Military Prosecutor’s Office of Gugark said Hayk committed suicide. That was the reason why Hayk’s relatives “forgot the mourning” and tried to meet journalists “to save our son’s reputation”.

 

“I wish they didn’t ascribe this suicide to my child. My Hayk did not deserve it. Thousands like him do not deserve it,” says his mother Nino Sargsyan, 45. "Whomever they speak about, they say he has hanged himself, he has killed himself, what kind of army is this? He loved his family so much; he wouldn’t ever commit suicide.”

 

Hayk Sargsyan, 22, was born in the village of Avan in Ashtarak region. He graduated with excellence form his village secondary school and entered the Department of Architecture at Yerevan State University for Architecture and Construction. He was conscripted on June 21 2004, immediately after graduating from the university.

 

On the day of the conscription Hayk called in to the “Zinuzh” (Military Force) television program and spoke about Armenian men taking part in the cause of defending the Homeland, saying military service is a must to become a man.

 

“I buried him not as an uncle but as a commander telling others not to cry, we should hand him over to the earth with glory,” says Sargis Sargsyan, his uncle.

 

After six months in the Armavir military training unit, Hayk was moved on November 9 to the town of Berd, in the Shamshadin region. In Armavir he was known as an honest and disciplined soldier, was honored with a certificate of appreciation and undertook the responsibilities of junior commander before moving to Shamshadin. He has never complained of the military service, but wrote in his last letter:

 

“Having seen the service in Armavir I can’t get used to this place. There was a haven, here there are service regulations, law and order, but you can’t understand who wants what, who demands what.”

 

The Sargsyan family are of Western Armenian descent from the city of Sasun and says the people of Sasun raise their children to be patriotic.

 

“He wanted to continue his education but we said: ‘Boy, who is going to defend the homeland?’ I was proud my son served for the homeland,” says the father. “My boy was proud he had Sasun heritage, was proud he served the homeland.”

 

Sargis Sargsyan, 45, is a former military man with higher education and, like his brothers, is a veteran of the Artsax war. He has held various military positions including that of the Division Commander.

 

“We entered the battlefield with 120 soldiers and went out without any loss,” says Sargis. “I don’t understand when soldiers are killed in peacetime, when they say there is someone who supervises the unit.”

 

The reason for death of soldiers in peaceful times, according to Sargis, is uneducated officers.

 

 

The family does not believe that the son committed suicide

“We didn’t send our boy to army to commit suicide. He could have committed suicide here as well. We sent him to defend the homeland,” says Nino, the mother, whom Hayk calls by name in his letters:

 

“…when at night I put my head on the pillow I remember you I think a bit and then sleep. Nino jan, I devote these verses to you:

 

 

Mother’s love will never die,

 

Even if it is one hundred years,

 

It will do everything for the son

 

So that the son has no bad days in his life.

 

The mother is joyous when the son is joyous,

 

The mother is sad when the son is sad,

 

The mother is happy just like her son is,

 

The mother is a traveler, when her son is,

 

Each minute, each second,

 

The mother’s soul watches,

 

Whether at home or not,

 

Everywhere the mother watches.

 

Nino and Ishkhan Sargsyan's elder son Hakob served in the Kelbajar unit in 2000-2002. Nine days after conscription he was beaten so heavily that he had to spend 4 months in hospital. The consequences of the beating are still felt.

 

“Hakob was brought home half alive. They had beaten him badly. Till today my child is in poor health. He served, suffering, and came back,” says the mother. “How could they take the second and not bring him back? How could they bring my young boy and put him before me this way?”

 

Artak Harutyunyan, head of the Investigative Department at the Military Prosecutor’s Office told ArmeniaNow a criminal case had been opened in the Gugark Military Prosecutor’s Office for murder with aggravating circumstances, prior to the parents being told the death was suicide.

 

The case is now being heard by the Military Prosecutor of the Republic of Armenia, based on the parents' appeal to the regional office.

[phantom22]

Rose.........Orange...........Apricot!

[Aaron]

Revolution won't do it and i can't believe people are naive enough to think it will change things. The problem is not sarkissian or kocharian whom i'm sure are not very clean ..... and neither will their eventual replacements be! The problem is the local commanders and bureaucrats who became something in life, and they now think they can do whatever they want! Its the entire chain. The problem is in the heart of the armenian nation, generalized, like a cancer, eating the whole population, and us seing only the tip of the iceberg through the politicians (opposition included).

 

Those "aper problem chga, hayreniki hamar mi kani dgha el chzohenk, ara?", "dard mi ara, oghit kashi u fsio!" assholes who form a spiderweb of dirty connections, money envelopes, bribes, and finish their sentences with mobster movie type, sleek, cheesy expressions to give themselves some importance!

 

That's the problem! if all we had to do was to change pres. prime minister. defence minister, etc, it wouldn't be hard ...... but changing thousands of people, practically the entire country, is impossible in short delays. You need change of generations and decades, mentalities .......... which might be rotten, intrinsically, beyond the point of no-return, hopelessly!

 

Maybe it is a battle not even worth fighting, worth forgetting and never thinking about, never having any link to it in order not to have outbursts like the one i'm having!

 

A.

[phantom22]

Is this sick culture one of traditional Armenian approach or is it the result of our Ottomanization and Sovietization?

[Armen]

Revolution is not going to change anything in Armenia. The West does not care what happens to Ukraine or Georgia after revolution has happened. They just made the headlines for a couple of months and that's all. Actually, Sahakashvili's rating is going down rapidly. In Kirgizstan worse, the ones that came to power turned out to be the same former nomenklatura bosses.

 

The only solution for development is a creation of internal constructive opposition with uncomprimising position on issues like income redistribution, taxation, justice system reform etc. And it does not necessarily has to struggle against regime change. Incremental advance on the aforementioned issues would do a greater good than any revolution.

[Artsakh]

Zhirayr Sefilian: Today's Regime Continues Defeatist Policy.....

From: Sebouh Z Tashjian

Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 12:26:44 +0500 (AMST)

 

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AZG Armenian Daily #063, 09/04/2005

 

 

Artsax issue

 

ZHIRAYR SEFILIAN: TODAY'S REGIME CONTINUES DEFEATIST POLICY OF THE PREVIOUS

ONE

 

Defense of Liberated Territories public initiative (DLT) warns once

again that the Artsax policy of today's regime in Armenia is the

continuation of former ones and is as defeatist. DLT coordinator

Zhirayr Sefilian criticized Artsax policy of the authorities at

Azdak club on April 7.

 

Sefilian reminded defense minister Serge Sargsian's speech at the

March 29-30 parliament hearings over Nagorno Artsax issue to have

said that "till in 90s when he was convincing the soldiers to take

over the vantage points outside Artsax he used to tell them that

we take them but will have to return".

 

DLT coordinator called Sargsian's statement an outright lie and said

that no officer would dare not only tell something of the kind to the

soldiers but even think of that as the author of such words would be

soon killed.

 

Sefilian was a battalion commander in Shushi in 1992. His battalion

that fought in many battles including the battle for Shushi liberation

had 56 killed, 3 missing and 157 wounded.

 

Sefilian warned the authorities that "this process of territorial

concession is a treason". He claimed that "those people cannot

represent the Armenian people". On behalf of all freedom fighters as

well as the perished ones, Sefilian stated that the authorities will

be punished if they do not change their stance in Artsax issue.

 

Referring to OSCE Minsk group Russian co-chair (who said that "the

co-chairs have prepared a new package to be put before Armenian and

Azeri presidents in London", "the society is not ready for compromise",

"co-chairs always considered that the public opinion in both countries

need to be molded") Sefilian said that the parliamentary hearings

aimed at settling these issues.

 

"In presence of many ambassadors, the coalitional parties, opposition

representatives, RA and NKR foreign ministers and especially RA

defense minister tried hard to display the "unity" and "resolution"

of Armenia's politics to accept co-chairs' suggestions", a press

release by DLT read.

 

Organizers of the hearings, according to DLT, displayed the Armenian

society their resolution to defend territories of former Nagorno

Artsax Autonomous Republic and the Lachin corridor and from the other

side, their belief and readiness to hand the liberated territories

to Azerbaijan.

 

"The expression 'liberated territories' was a taboo for everyone. They

used, instead, words revealing their Azeri-mindedness. We have the

impression that the purpose of the hearings was to deprive expression

"liberated territories" of its meaning", the release says.

 

Zhirayr Sefilian and his adherents are sure that "the Armenian nation

will never put up with the idea of relinquishing any part of its

homeland and with contracts that opposing to its national interests".

 

By Tatoul Hakobian

[Anahit]

I can't write any names, sorry. this is about another killing in our army. A soldier was killed by his partner/another soldier, and was condemned to prison for killing. AFTER u can't imagine what happens!!!! in less than a year, the people who put him in the prison ARE THE ONES STANDING BEHIND THE BARS!!! the family of the killer had enough money to pay a new court to justify their killer-son and judge the people who put him in prison. CAN U BELIEVE IT ?! i felt so ashamed, u can't imagine, and decided not to go back to armenia for permanent living... before that many other things also made me feel very bad about what's happaning in Armenia, and i guess "hamberutyan bajak lcvec". something died in my heart...

[gamavor]

In normal countries if something like this happens at least half dozen will lost their jobs and at least another half will be in prison.

 

In more advanced countries these type of incidents usually lead to legislative changes.

 

PS: Acctualy in normal countries such things are imposible to happen!

Edited April 13, 2005 by gamavor