Gor-Gor Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 Also, according to Vaux's article, WA tends to double plurals anyway, like mardikner. So adding a productive plural suffix (-er/-ner) to an extinct plural suffix (q) shouldn't be of much concern to you! LOL! And, I'm sorry, I knew that 'holovum' was the incorrect term to use, but it was late and I couldn't think of either the English or Armenian word for it. Actually, I still can't! And no, it wasn't a typo. In WA, it's ոտնլուայ. Interesting! Sia: And yet the 'n' rears its head again in dasnamyag, dasn@meg, etc. ..and even yotnerrort, ootnerrort, innerrort, dasnerrort. Do EA speakers not say yot@, oot@, in@, das@? I've always thought of the dropping of the Krapar 'n' as not so much a full dropping, but a halfway dropping when it's replaced by "@" -- by saying @, we're going halfway towards pronouncing it the Krapar way, just omitting the final sound that is a 'n' -- did anyone get that?? lol ex: das@ instead of das@n... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted March 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 (edited) I don't know if that is historically correct, but it makes sense to me. In krapar, did those words end with 'n' i.e. "vodn?' I'm wondering whether all nouns ended in /n/.. Classical Armenian must have had its own reasons to form words in certain ways.. (nairi, I just found out that "sharzhoum" - movement - in krapar is "sharzhoumn" - how do you say it in Esatern Armenian?) Same as WA: sharzhum. LOL! And, I'm sorry, I knew that 'holovum' was the incorrect term to use, but it was late and I couldn't think of either the English or Armenian word for it. Actually, I still can't! What function does -n have? If you can answer this, we can come up with a terms for it Do EA speakers not say yot@, oot@, in@, das@? mek, yerku, yereq, chors, hing, vec, yot, ut, in@, tas(@). I've always thought of the dropping of the Krapar 'n' as not so much a full dropping, but a halfway dropping when it's replaced by "@" -- by saying @, we're going halfway towards pronouncing it the Krapar way, just omitting the final sound that is a 'n' -- did anyone get that?? lol ex: das@ instead of das@n...style_images/master/snapback.png Sounds like French Where they stopped pronouncing the /n/ in "bon", and instead nasalized the /o/. Funnily /n/ returns in the feminine /bonne/. Btw, you guys do realize that slowly but surely you're all turning into linguists! (i.e. thinking about what, why and how you're using language.) Edited March 6, 2005 by nairi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamanto Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 I'm wondering whether all nouns ended in /n/.. Classical Armenian must have had its own reasons to form words in certain ways.. style_images/master/snapback.png I'm not sure what you mean; but, not "all nouns ended in /n/..[in] Classical Armenian." You probably mean something else! Sounds like French Where they stopped pronouncing the /n/ in "bon", and instead nasalized the /o/. Funnily /n/ returns in the feminine /bonne/. style_images/master/snapback.png That is the case of "official" French. In some regions - such as the South of France - the "n" is not silent. (By the way, the Southern accent is almost "chanted," but charming! I love how they speak! ) Btw, you guys do realize that slowly but surely you're all turning into linguists! (i.e. thinking about what, why and how you're using language.) style_images/master/snapback.png I've always had a fascination for words and "language games" - as defined/used by Wittgenstein, Lyotard, Austin and Searle (their definitions are not necessarily identical.) http://www.geocities.com/dot_rob/essays/essay5.html http://www.california.com/~rathbone/word.htm I also appreciate the work of pioneers such as Benjamin Lee Whorf (Anthropolinguistics,) Edward Sapir ((Anthropolinguistics,) Frege(Logic/Semantics) and Pierce(Semiotics.) Last Tuesday, I came across an enchanting creature reading "Cognitive Poetics: An Introduction" by Peter Stockwell (You can read the introduction to the book here ) I did not know what "Cognitive Poetics" was, so I did a quick search. During my search, I came across the following site that may be of interest: http://www.stanford.edu/group/SHR/4-1/text/toc.html I did have the time to properly read the articles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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