Armat Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 It is understood by now that approaches to AG recognition should be pursued in parallel with nation building. However it seems after decades of activism and gradual successes we finally arrived to a point where we are effective!!! Turkish society is not indifferent to foreign countries recognizing the AG and inturn this has a trickle down effect into Turkish society in this regard. Why I ask we kick ourselves in the ass when we finally become effective. Why fold over now and degrade ourselves to “obsessions”, fetishes”. There is no reason to abandon decades of tireless efforts in AG recognition because some are tired of hearing about it. As I said on my first sentence yes we need more funds allocated to other fields however the fight is not over yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 A nation is dummed if only thing it has in common within is the history of the past, and no vision for the future, the only fight and bond it has is the AG and recognition of it, a lessons of the past, which are thought to our childreen and without realizing its devistating impact in colective thinking. do we want only thing that bounds us to be the AG and its recognition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghos Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 A nation is dummed if only thing it has in common within is the history of the past, and no vision for the future, the only fight and bond it has is the AG and recognition of it, a lessons of the past, which are thought to our childreen and without realizing its devistating impact in colective thinking. do we want only thing that bounds us to be the AG and its recognition? style_images/master/snapback.png Edo, I think this is a key question. I wonder if the Turks come to recognize the Genocide, which they do not do because they are too weak as a nation among other issues. if that would be yet another diaspora weakening phenoemon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 the Diaspora will collapse as it is the only issue that has kept it "united". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 the Diaspora will collapse as it is the only issue that has kept it "united". style_images/master/snapback.png what else do we have? we have a common language and fait, but is that enough to sastainnational identity, unity, a vision for the future, history of the future, I think its crucual to realise we ought to teach our childreen also about the hopes and bright aspect of our future and not about the sorrows of the past, which, the stragle was only for her exsistance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 (edited) the Diaspora will collapse as it is the only issue that has kept it "united". style_images/master/snapback.png If we would only learn to "Stretch out feet to the length of our blankets/Votq@t vermakit hamemat yerkareh"? Only if the Diaspora would forget the C to C, i.e. from Colchis (read Tiflis and Constainnople), and lay aside the A as in Adana and Aintab, and concentrate on the Z as in Zangezur. Hoe long does it take for us to learn our Ayb Ben Gim, and sort out A from Z? Edited January 22, 2005 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 I hardly doubt the diaspora will collapse when Turkey recognizes the genocide. I think by the time the whole thing is rounded off (because recognition is only step 1), we'll be at least two generations and two "unities" further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 I hardly doubt the diaspora will collapse when Turkey recognizes the genocide. I think by the time the whole thing is rounded off (because recognition is only step 1), we'll be at least two generations and two "unities" further. style_images/master/snapback.png We don't need to think about the evidentuality of something that will never happen. Turkey will never recognise the genocide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamanto Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 (edited) I hardly doubt the diaspora will collapse when Turkey recognizes the genocide. I think by the time the whole thing is rounded off (because recognition is only step 1), we'll be at least two generations and two "unities" further. style_images/master/snapback.png I totally agree! Most Armenians who seek each other's company have no or little active interest in the Genocide! Maybe those who think that the recognition of the Genocide means the collapse of the Diaspora, in fact, DO NOT FEEL ARMENIAN! In fact, that sounds like an outsider's - a non-Armeian's - view! Edited January 23, 2005 by Siamanto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Note: Just cleaned up a bit - please keep to the topic at hand. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 (edited) I totally agree! Most Armenians who seek each other's company have no or little active interest in the Genocide! Maybe those who think that the recognition of the Genocide means the collapse of the Diaspora, in fact, DO NOT FEEL ARMENIAN! In fact, that sounds like an outsider's - a non-Armeian's - view! style_images/master/snapback.png But why does AG and the recognition has to be the ONLY identification of Unity and being Armenian, in paralell of the fight to seck justice, i think we have enough resorses to teach and nurture our childreen about other healty esentials. I'm sorry but I havent seen any other besides the question the AG which unites Armenians in Disaspora. Edited January 24, 2005 by Edward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghos Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 I think that saying that the AG is the only or most importanty unifying factor for Armenians in the diaspora is not correct. The most important unifiying factor for Armenians and other peoples as well, is simply the desire to be among similar people, that share an identity and so on. The fact that was the most tragic event and is still "unresolved" in our history does not mean that it is paramount to the diaspora´s existence. Here I refer to an issue that was previously and animatedly discussed: the diaspora is doomed simply because the passage of time takes care of it. As I and others have asked: where are the Polish and Hungarian Armenians? and hundreds of other immigrants that we slowly assimilated into the host countries? How do we fight for Armenia, for Genocide recognition, how do we honour our ancestors? We need to prioritize and in that case the choice is obvious: the Republic of Armenia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamanto Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 But why does AG and the recognition has to be the ONLY identification of Unity and being Armenian, in paralell of the fight to seck justice, i think we have enough resorses to teach and nurture our childreen about other healty esentials. I'm sorry but I havent seen any other besides the question the AG which unites Armenians in Disaspora. style_images/master/snapback.png Edward, Please give me a couple of days! Thanks! I find the following relevant to our discussion: PRESS RELEASE Mashdots College 616 N. Glendale Avenue Glendale, CA 91206 Contact: Dr. Garbis Der Yeghiayan Tel. 818-548-9345 Fax: 818-548-9342 E-mail: mashdots@aol.com web: http: //www.mashdotscollege.org/ SYMPOSIUM ON "CHALLENGES AND PROSPECTS OF THE ARMENIAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY" Mashdots College's Annual Symposium will take place on Saturday, January 29, 2005, 9:00 A.M. - 5:00 P.M., at the Glendale Central Public Library Auditorium, 222 E. Harvard, Glendale, California. The following ten prominent scholars and community leaders will discuss the "Challenges and Prospects of the Armenian American Community." Prof. Richard Dekmejian - - Church Structure, Mr. Hagop Hagopian - - Educational Structure, Prof. Garo Momdjian - - Political Structure, Prof. Kevork Kherlopian, Cultural Structure, Prof. Osheen Keshishian - - Mass Media and Literary Structure, Mrs. Nora Chitilian-Kalashian - - Family Structure, Atty. Roupen Avsharian - - Professional Structure, Mr. Mark Chenian - - Economic Structure, and Mr. Ardashes Kassakhian - - Youth Structure. The concluding remarks will be delivered by Mr. Harut Sassounian on "Assessing the Present to Forge a Better Future." Dr. Garbis Der Yeghiayan, President of the College, will open the symposium. Admission is free and community members are cordially invited to attend and actively participate in the symposium proceedings. The theme of the symposium is as interesting as it is crucial for the future of the Armenian community in the United States. All the papers presented at the symposium will be published in a book format. For further information contact Mashdots College at 818-548-9345. http://groong.usc.edu/news/msg101551.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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