Stormig Posted October 23, 2004 Report Share Posted October 23, 2004 Mard - "Man" in Armenian. Apparently it has some use in Farsi as well - Within the family, some such men are described as na-mard (not-men). (Source: http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/IES/iran.html ) OK. So far so good. This latter, negated form exists in Turkish, too, though with a nuance. http://seslisozluk.com/?word=namert 1. cowardly. 2. despicable. 3. vile. 4. low. 5. base. 6. contemptible. 7. craven. 8. dastardly. and then there is "mert" http://seslisozluk.com/?word=mert 1. brave. 2. manly. 3. red-blooded. 4. manful. 5. chivalrous. 6. courageous. 7. courageous yiğit. 8. dependable. 9. trustworthy. 10. reliable. 11. manful. In fact, the word "mert" is also a Turkish male personal name, Mert. So what's up with that? Any romantic stories? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 i don't know if they are connected or not, but... mard, man in armenian, is spelled մարդ [mard], though pronounced somewhere between [mard] and [marth] in both EA and WA. however, Sayat-Nova spelled namard նամարթ [namarth] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 i don't know if they are connected or not, but... mard, man in armenian, is spelled մարդ [mard], though pronounced somewhere between [mard] and [marth] in both EA and WA. however, Sayat-Nova spelled namard նամարթ [namarth] style_images/master/snapback.png Mard is a native Armenian word from hndevopakan nakhalezu(protoIE) "mrto" which in turn is from the PIE "mer" to mean death "merel/mernil" In fact the literal meaning of "mard" is" mortal/mahkanatsu". If that were the case then we had to spell the word as "mart", the reason we spell it as "mard" is a roundabout story since in the Pahlavi it is "murd/merd". BTW, Haruth, we're gonna murder your name yet, first it Yarut and now... I notice that you transliterate "tho" the 9th letter of the Ayb Ben Gim as "th". Is this because of my many sermons? Does this mean that we have to pronounce the letter tho as th as it was originally intended to be the counterpart of the Greek Theta? Did Armenians at one time have the diphthong of TH? Shall we start pronouncing the word for king as "thagavor"? In fact "thag" is from the Arabic "thaj". Let's see how many other "tho" words are in fact intended to be pronounced as such. How is "thargman" from the Arabic "tharjuman"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iran01 Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 mard Modern Persian mard “man” Middle Pers. mard, mart Old Pers. martiya Avestan mareta, other forms: maša, mašya, all from root mar- “to die” cognate with Sanskrit marta, martya, marya, Greek mortos IE root *mortos, “mortal, man” The Persian mardom also belongs to this group. zan Persian zan “woman, wife” MP zan, žan Avestan genâ, ghenâ “woman, wife” Sanskrit janih “wife”, gana “wife of a god, goddess” Greek gyne “woman, wife” (as in gynecology) IE root *gwen- “woman, wife” The Persian kaniz, English queen, Armenian kin, and Russian ženšina, from Old Slav žena, belong to this family. man English “human being, male person” Old High German man Middle Dutch man Sanskrit manus “man, mankind; the primordial father of the human race” Avestan Manuš « a legendary hero », Manuš.cithra « from the race of Manuš ». In Iranian mythology: Manucehr, son of Iraj German Mannus « German’s ancestor according to Tacitus » Also Alemanni "a group of Germanic tribes that settled in Alsace and nearby areas during the fourth century a.d. and were defeated by the Franks in 496", possibly from Germanic *Ala-manniz, tribal name (< “all men”: *ala-, all ») Latin Manius « plebian hero of ancient Rome » Phrygian Mânés The German Mensch, Russian mužik « peasant », from muž « man » all belong to this family. homo homo in Latin « earthly being » used in e.g. homo sapiens or in Eng. homicide, humble, humus, exhume Latin humus “earth” Greek khthôn “earth”, khamai “on the ground” Sanskrit ksam “earth” Avestan zam “earth” Persian zami, zamin “earth, land” IE root *dhghem- « earth » http://www.iranianlanguages.com/forum/view...&highlight=mard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted December 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Thanks, everyone. BTW... Mard is a native Armenian word from hndevopakan nakhalezu(protoIE)style_images/master/snapback.png If nakh-a-lezu means proto-language, what does nakharar mean? Also... Let's see how many other "tho" words are in fact intended to be pronounced as such. How is "thargman" from the Arabic "tharjuman"? style_images/master/snapback.png http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=1633 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Thanks, everyone. BTW... If nakh-a-lezu means proto-language, what does nakharar mean? Also... http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=1633 style_images/master/snapback.png Dear Potorik/Mrrik You may have ignored this; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?act=Search&C...hlite=tharjuman And forgotten this; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?act=Search&C...ghlite=dragoman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Thanks, everyone. BTW... If nakh-a-lezu means proto-language, what does nakharar mean? Also... http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=1633 style_images/master/snapback.png I think I can answer that. Nakh means pre or first and the whole word means "first leader". Not that I am a leader of any sorts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted December 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 I think I can answer that. Nakh means pre or first and the whole word means "first leader". Not that I am a leader of any sorts. style_images/master/snapback.png I know what nakharar means, but I don't know what arar or rar means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 That's beyond me now. You have to ask our linguist Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 (edited) That's beyond me now. You have to ask our linguist Arpa style_images/master/snapback.png Iran01 can corroborate this. Nakharar and nahapet are both based on the Iranian "nafa" which literally means "port" (bord) , belly button, placenta and navel. One wonders if the English "navel" is also based on the root word of "nafa". Nakharar has evloved to mean aristocracy, princedom while "nahapet" is forebear/ancestor. The latter, sometimes "nakhpet" is the counterpart of the Iranian "nafapati". Hey Nakharar! Control yourself! Nakharar has not always been a favorite word specially when the "nakharars" were feuding among themselves while the country was being ravaged by foreign "wolves". It does not seem much has changed even now. Edited December 12, 2004 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 (edited) I couldn't be happier that these aristocrats were made redundant. Too bad that the ecclesiastical "aristocrats" are still around. Stupefying our people with their hogwash stories and demanding their undivided adulation. Edited December 13, 2004 by Nakharar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iran01 Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Iran01 can corroborate this. Nakharar and nahapet are both based on the Iranian "nafa" which literally means "port" (bord) , belly button, placenta and navel. One wonders if the English "navel" is also based on the root word of "nafa". Nakharar has evloved to mean aristocracy, princedom while "nahapet" is forebear/ancestor. The latter, sometimes "nakhpet" is the counterpart of the Iranian "nafapati". Hey Nakharar! Control yourself! Nakharar has not always been a favorite word specially when the "nakharars" were feuding among themselves while the country was being ravaged by foreign "wolves". It does not seem much has changed even now. style_images/master/snapback.png Yes dear Arpa in New Persian we still use nâf for navel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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