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Z'areh, Thanks for the inspiring approach. I will take your view points into serious consideration while I make time to brain storm on my drawing board. If there are any other points you find worthy of considering, some that I did not mention in the original post, please share them as well. Thank you for your honest response.

A new chapter has begun in the Armenian Legacy. Godspeed with the president, and us all.

I should've excluded the more violent religions such as Radical islam, or that the teachings in the Quran in general can be translated as violent and abusive. Christianity in itself is a form of peace, love, understanding and helping others. I dont know much about the Jewish religion, but Im pretty sure its similar in many ways. Em, I comend you for being so understanding and thoughtful! How do you do it?

If its Canada then It looks like the city which borders Bufallo, New York. On the Canadian side, I forgot the name but its where Niagra Falls is located, there are some high-rises there...am I right?

This is the closest I'll ever come to a cookie poem. When I wrote this cookie poem I didnt feel like my heart was in it, It felt like something I had to do just to see if I can do it or not. a/w here it is. People. Some make you smile Some make you frown Some might make you want to drown Some come and go Some come and stay Some of them try to stand in your way Some you won’t know Some you don’t want to know Sometimes some things are just better this way Some are real nice Some are too mean Some make you laugh Some make you scream Some are real smart Some, well just are not Some just kind of seem to talk a lot People I mean, well who else would it be They sing and laugh and dance & things People are humans and feelings they have Their brains are squishy but a skull they have Their eyes sometimes pierce thru armor and shield But one thing for sure if you poke them they’ll bleed.

Hello people jan. I’m back. If you don’t mind I shall include my 10000 cents’ on this topic. On a personal note: I don’t think I’m smarter than anyone simply because he or she believes in Religion (specifically our Armenian fundamentals of Christianity) There are some religions like, cow, fire, idol, etc, worshiping that I would like to think that I’m very smart for not believing. Armenians were pagans many centuries ago, but if you put that into contrast with the great thinkers of our 20th century, logical thinkers at that time were the stupidest people of society. The point is that Christianity did not exist in Armenia; therefore our civilization was not created already enlightened to the being of God, and Christ. We were sent a savior of our souls, God wanted to give humans another chance in the redemption of their souls, since all previous efforts had failed (due to the presence of the devil on earth) he decided to send his one and only begotten son, Jesus Christ! Yes we were pagans and we did believe in fire, but we were not born into believing in that either. This practice was imposed on us mostly by the masses and their influence over a small group of people who would only later in history come to be known as the Armenians! (tada!) Vera jan: If you need a poll to help you find your spiritual path, then good-luck, you’re going to need it. As far as the Diaspora having more non-believers compared to Armenians living in Armenia. It might be true; its sounds true, but as they say in Hollywood, show me the money! Ashot’s right, why do non-believers always try to convince others not to believe. As if the school of non-believing teaches you to do this? Non-believers are becoming more and more hostile and aggressive in their cause compared to those who do believe. I sense a new front on the battle war, and non-believers don’t have the stomach to die for something that requires no believing in. I stopped believing on my own recognition, no one convinced me to. They’re personal reasons, and I have no one but myself to answer to.

Lol, your funny. to late im coming over.........NOT!

Sure ill share, after I get a scanner. Cute poems, andy sounds like my little cousin always looking for food and cookies. The bees, I liked it, whats more is that it generated the sudden urge in me for honey butter and bread..nahmean? I guess most people write about sad things...I personally dont have any cookie filled poems, maybe I should work on that, most my poems are love, life, or death.

Well I dont take presents back, sorry.Thanks for the invite, but im gona have to pass on it this time..Ill take it as a raincheck and cash it some other day. peace.

Enger jan, umit em kpel es esor vor indzi chi kpel sftuts.. yes martu tariknel ira texin karumem hargem ira kaxaparnel ira texin. Chem ekel stex vochvoku anpatvem, bayts nentsa durs galu vor martik inchvor mi aritin ein spasum. Im hamar aveli karevora hye hyein miyatsnel voch bazhanel, inchkanel irar miss enk krtsum petk chi amen tex irar miss krtsenk. Ume vor es teman IROK viravorela, imatsek srtants neroxutunem asem. Te im kaylitsa vor bolornel vokevorvumen muys tepkum aveli ezgush klinem tema batseluts imanalov stexi himnakan joxovurte inchits en shut viravorvum, oo inchnen entunum.

I didnt read a word of what you read because you make no sense. Ape kyasar yerevi kyankum du mekin sxal ches haskatsel inchkan du esor indzes sxal haskatsel. internet che ur uzumes exi, te xosal chgites mi xosa vapshe. uzumes indz tenas? inch pty xosas vor tenas? inchin pty patasxan tas te patasxan uzes. vopshem du lriv sxal es esorva ku pahela dzevov te indz tenal es uzum konkret bana asa imanam kamel vapshe mi otum kraki. dzer pahela dzeve, dzer nkaty unem en martkants vor poxanak uxexov zichen te vor vorits hetoya, skselen mufta tapak tapak durs tal. Inchna sxal exel im arachi gradzi mehc aratta karas ases. En vor poxanak parap zhamakin im nstem ninetendo xaxam, kam ngnem havai agarkeki hetevits, galisem sents dzevi siter oo xosum oo hetakrkrvum te vonts karank menk jahel hyerov mtadzenk dzhvar hartseri shurch? Te vor anglerenov grum midzev otari tpavorutyunem toxum? karank hyerenov zrutsenk im hamar proste angleren tpelna aveli hesht. Ha aziz kez petka du pm ara, vonts jogumem uzumes im het kriv aradz lines...te krveles uzum arxayn exi krvin sovoradz txa em, vor himi xelkes tvelem usumin mi mtadzy vor hesht karas husht anes. Vopshem zhoxovurt jan, voch spasumei dzezanits sents sare oo txur patasxan iminoi im hantep es temai shurch, vochel patkeratsnumei te karoxa inchvor mi bazar durs gar mechits. Bayts de vonts ktsum brnumem irok chishta vor asumen, urtex hye ayntesx vay. Aratta yesel em glendalits mi kyank aprelem glendalum, es karama ku het zichem es temayi shurch, oo arten ku gradznerits parza vor es aveli shatem haskanum en inchi masin vor menk xosumenk. Te du ankax nranits vor inch grelem esor indz het xntir unes lutsel gry pm ov.

Arpa youre a loser im sorry you just found out. If you want sex go beg youre wife for it or keep it for the sex topic. I can think of many things to talk about but youre obviously not equipped enough to handle them.

Takoush: Most Armenians have pride, and honor their nationality. This isnt the topic where you should respond with I will die If I have too! this is the topic where we talk as Armenians to try to find solutions. Thank you for your time.

Attention: This post is here to open the disscussion about this topic. I am in now way shap or form trying to promote anything, or change the views of any individual. I myself am proud to be an Armenian, and love my ethnicity dearly. I love my country, and would never sell myself or anyone else to the benefit of Armenias Enemies/opponents. I would prefer to die before I did such a thing.

1 - Oh really so you have a new defenition of genocide? (edited), I dont. Turkish genocide of the Armenians was instigated by the need to Turkishize Turkey, and rid all other ethno backgrounds who had influence on their Empire. Greeks also dealth with the turks during this time. Hence my comment Geo-politcal. (edited). A-are you saying millions of unarmed armenians who were the citizens of turkey were "geo-political reasons"? = Refer to my previous post, they were removed of, and exterminated for several reasons. When the kurds were brought in to massacre the Armenians they acted out of hate and personal gains. The region is in conflict for gain. (edited). B-. if that the case, why do the governements of turkey and azerbaijan don't wast an effort to erase all the names that are somehow associated with the armenians? You make no sense here, (edited) youre not at my level. 2 poor creature. are you saying either the armenians should negotiate with the azeris or else...? I am a creature watch yourself, you seem to be another internet (edited), the web is full of them. AS I said, this thread was put up to open conversation about how to reach a certain goal. You are no better of an Armenian then I am. Ive spent many days and many conflicts with different nationalities to defend my own, I need not prove myself to you, the fact that Im here and talking to you might leave a stain. Ill give another effort into helping you understand. This post was to open converesation about how to achieve the gaol, and gain insight to what you people of this site think. There are few alternatives into this disscussion, and I named two major ones. Put in your input, and deter from attacking me personally. (edited) Deal with the content, I explained to you before my views and the views of this post are seperate. 3- save it! Edited! 5-genocide is a crime of hate. turks from turkey and azerbaijan are guilty of crimes against humanity. How uneducated are you my buddy? Murder is also a crime of hate, or anger, but their motivated by someones gain or to prevent a loss among many other things. Did that make sense? 6- (edited), you don't solve problems with hatred and fear. the muslims extremists have done must serious crimes than 'explode buildings with bombs strapped around their chest'. What is a muslim extremist you (edited)? Some freedom fighters are labeled as extremist and some are terrorist. dont mix the two up. 7-why are you attacking turkish 'hate', 'exploding buildings with bombs strapped around their chest' with the armenians? If you hate turks more than I do, then Ill consider you as my friend, if you keep misunderstanding my posts then ill keep callin you an (edited). Why is it so difficult for you to create dioalogue? If I wanted to argue Id go to another site and do it there where I have a reputation for getting into fights. If this site isnt any different then some claim it to be, then why are you acting like (edited)? 8- i didn't take much for you to open your cards are you again saying negotiate with the turks or else...? Im saying that which you read. Facts are required to continue a conversation or else it becomes pointless. We are located amongst hostile territory. There is no or else. I live for what I believe is right, and would do whatever is necessary to defend Armenia and my family. Im saying we should continue this topic with all options on the table, and see whats left at the end. 9-back another 100 years? when did it happen? are you talking about the Artsak war? in Artasak beside the turks and their azeri brothers, there were thousands of muslim terrorits from all parts of the worls? do i need to remind you how the azeri government has used the hate card to turn their people and the muslim terrorists against the armenians? do i need to reming you what happened next? ARA! Are you serious? 1.5 million Armenians killed. Armenians resorted to freedom fighting as well, and well we did, and if we have to we will do it again. In this case you can call the muslims them terrorist you can also call them mercaneries because thats what they did. Were getting recognition today in the global front because we have grown in numbers, and growing in numbers mean more armenians who are sucesful, motivated, and eager to do the hard things and open the hard topics to get Armenia where it deserves to be. in other words people like me, not like you, youre a dime a dozen quick to talk (edited) and always lookin for a fight to dstract attention from (edited)... 10- Why did you leave some contest out of my post? 'Every year around April 24, all kind of fools come to the forum trying to convince the armenian to change their stance for their fight for the recognition of 'The Genocide'.' You (edited), youre the one who said every year as if it is a contest. I wasnt trying to change anything, and i posted that up on ArmenianPlanet.com a few months ago, i just found out about this site a few days ago, get over yourself man (edited) do you think you are, youre human just as I am. 11- in case you haven't noticed, i'm one of them. you got a problem with that? this is an armenian forum and i'm the village idiot...and for as long as you are here spreading all kind of nonsense about Armenia/Armenains and the Armenian Genocide, you gonna have to deal with me. I noticed from your fist response, and im willing to talk in private if your hving a hard time understanding me. I didnt spred anything, and if you think thats spreading, then you havent seen spreading. If you wanna try to understand where Im comming from then continue like a human being any bag of beans can talk crap online. 12- your argument has failed. (edited), by leaving some contest out of my post you couldn't even form a new argument? this is my point... "Every year around April 24, all kind of fools come to the forum trying to convince the armenian to change their stance for their fight for the recognition of 'The Genocide'...and you are one of them. Ara hom do (edited)? es inch tapak martes? 13- poor baby. you are crying already I dont cry, but I can tell that you do Note: Foul language and insults are edited out, please follow the rules. Yervant

Ok, now I get the idea of the "corner". Zara jan congratulations on your corner. I brought you a gift.. its a X-BOX 360 with call of duty modern warfare and two controllers. Now all you need is a flat screen.

Thanks to all of you for responding. The objective of the post is not to send any signal to any organization, nor is it to rally any support for any cause. I’m an Armenian, and a student. I too have lost ancestors in the Armenian Genocide and I too have the right as an Armenian to express my views on how to make Armenia better for Armenians, as well as being strong enough to defend itself from all enemies, foreign and domestic. In my eyes, the Armenian genocide can never be forgotten, and April 24th is not the only time I remember this disastrous event in history. When I see my grandmother, or look at pictures of my ancestors who should’ve lived long enough to see life past the ages 13 and 15, but instead were massacred, I see nothing but mostly hate and anger. Unfortunately hate and anger is like using one shovel to dig the New York tunnel, it is not the solution I’m looking for in myself or as a person. There is no alternative to recognition, and there is no alternative for deniers of the truth. That is my personal opinion, in some posts I will state my personal opinions, and in others I will try to keep my personal opinions separate from a logical and productive approach to issues. Gamavor- Turkish investments into our economy, doesn’t translate into Turkish involvement in our society or economy. We can work for a negotiation thru the IMF where Turkey will be the guarantee of the loan, and IMF will transfer the funds into the designated bank accounts belonging to the Armenian Government. This amount will be non refundable. (Negotiations should start at 30 billion Euro currencies) Our lands are occupied, that’s true. What would you suggest as a way to get them back? If there is a realistic solution that comes to your mind, please comment, the purpose of this thread is for you to do so. Avo- Yes friend, Turkey cannot be trusted so easily; also Turkey does not trust Armenia either. Why I point this out is because since they do not trust us, this gives us more reason to be on the look-out for another blow. If they’re in the process of “wiping us out of the area” then what is our process in counter to that. I myself am willing to go to many extremes to defend Armenia, and so are many other Armenian men. To wait for a situation to escalate into an extreme before finding a solution would be the wrong approach. Yervant1- You don’t know me well enough to comment about me personally, therefore your statement fell on deaf ears. I’m not selling anything to anyone, so don’t respond to me as if I was trying to sell anything to you or anyone else. Last I checked this was a forum to discuss issues and, this discussion among intelligent people might one day lead to a solution every Armenian can be proud of. I would appreciate it if you would either enter the discussion as mentioned above or kindly leave this room. Thanks. Aratta-Kingdom- Genocides are not only done from hate, they have geo-political reasons as well. The Armenian genocide is proof to this. Azerbaijan will do many things if we allow them to, and Azerbaijan can also be negotiated with. All countries can be negotiated with; all problems can have logical solutions if hatred and fear is removed from the equation. Those who solve problems with hatred and fear, explode buildings with bombs strapped around their chest. If you want a solution to Armenia’s problems based on hate and fear, go do it yourself, don’t take the rest of our young Armenian population along with you. Armenia is located in hostile territory; rhetoric that instigates fear and promotes war will lead to more Armenian deaths and a less likely victory. (By the way, you think Turkey and Azerbaijan don’t want war? You think they wouldn’t want to kill as many young Armenian men as they did once before so they can knock our country back another 100 years?) Every year this site gets fools? What makes you think this site doesn’t have fools who are here year round? What’s your point? Keep this thread for conversations that will help Armenia and our cause, I think I saw a thread that you can express how you feel about this site, I suggest you go find it and vent.

P.S. The building in that picture looks like its in Germany.

Who do I have to assassinate to get my own corner? Anyone?

Before you read what I've wrote, please try to view it from an open-mind perspective, thank you. Also, if what you read angers you, or dissapoints you, feel free to voice your opinion and please, do explain why, thank you. A question to all Armenians Pick one of the scenerios, either A or B. Armenia and Turkey A ) The republic of Armenia and Turkey have successfully come to an agreement over the Armenian genocide debate. The conditions for their agreement are as follows. 1. Turkey will recognize Artsax and the surrounding areas as the land belonging to the republic of Armenia. 2. Turkey must invest money into the economic growth of Armenia, thru investing in banks which concentrate on issuing business loans to individuals and small business. 3. Turkish government will not deny the Armenian community living in Turkey, the right to educate their young on the Armenia and Turkish war, which lead to the tragic deaths of many Armenians, young and old. 4. America will invest into the economic growth of Armenia within the executive branches of government. In return the government will also be in a position to employ more of its citizens. 5. Armenia will be given the opportunity to purchase some lands in question during the Armenian genocide debate. The land allowed to be purchased will be chosen based on economic standards by the Armenian government. (All the above will only work if the leaders of Armenia are motivated to improve Armenia’s condition. They must form an organization within the government in charge of bringing employment into Armenia; their main focus will be law firms, accounting firms, in time a new university drawing in students from neighboring countries, a good soccer team capable of winning world cup, clothing manufacturers, and parts assemblies for automobiles). B ) Armenia and Turkey are still at odds over the dialog used to describe the Armenian genocide. Armenia calls it genocide, while Turkey defends its position by saying it was an act of war, during a time of war, all deaths were causalities of war. The Armenian community is not backing down, and insists that Turkey accept the fact of genocide. Turkey is stubbornly insisting there has been no such thing as genocide, and promises to deny any acceptance of such a thing. Armenia and Armenians around the world have not lost hope, every year on April 24th the remembrance is echoed throughout the world wherever an Armenian community exists. With hopes of seeing a blooming Armenia one day, are we neglecting the opportunity to have one today?

I would like to live in Alaska one day. And wake up every morning to a breath of fresh air and nature. (I wouldnt want to live there for the rest of my life, but If I could at least a few months out of the year)

Nice poem. (mores hamar gazel)

I kinda know the feeling, I like my handwriting so much that sometimes I write just so I can stare at it. Cool, lookin forward to it.

Why dont you post it so we can read yours too? Thank you, Its a pleasure being here.

Thank you.