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This video is just one of them.

Happy-Birthday Elle and Alma!

Thanks Aratta jan. Happy to be back. How have you been, good I hope. BTW nice avatar. Have you seen the comedy clips of Bush on Youtube?

You're right It's time I should. Though I do have legal proof that Ive written the material I post.

Thanks for the warm welcome. As you can see I'm the same and feel comfortable as before. I'm good Ashot jan, How are you? Actually I've misplaced your number, sure i'll pm you, talk to you soon.

Here is another one I had written awhile back. I just recently revised it. "Darkness of love" Has he gotten to close, their passionate night Arouses her most, shall he cease the wonder of his body to hers Yet his heart’s on fire for her touch so divine Proceed they may with consequences of flames Eternal abyss in exchange for this day. He no longer could hold the lust in his heart Fallen to an angel with lips of his heart She feels the same way, but silence of words As their bodies recite a hymn of two birds Their moves like a choir of loving in chorus While he mediates their love with breathtaking glories Her voice sings with screams of joys in his arms As they paint the nights end as lovers in arms. But amazing the game which fate has played Its heart a castle without a slave Concealed in dark the showing of this day That cruelty of her mind was to his display Castaway into shadows seeking shelter from love And the pain his mind has brought to heart The pain of emptiness from her touch Is he ever to be himself without her tender kiss. They were set to be one as lovers’ in arms And would never part their eternal hearts To walk down a path of holly truth Swearing to each other binding words Would take each other as who they may be And would love one another for all eternity Yet he did not seek love, but a love worth seeking A slave to his feelings, wanting what existed only in mind To want who was a stranger that warms like no other And yet a faded idea, clouded as unknown by the one he loved A prisoner in heart with chains of gold Priceless to those who can spend it, but for him a mere taunting feeling Of possessing so much thought and so little reality War at all fronts of emotions How he could make this agony end! Turned to painful fading of love, like the suns shade into depths of the night A mere memory of what shined once so bright But it is called love for no simple reason. So many know the way he feels the heaviness in his mind Yet he struggles alone to let this go since failure is not his own No one to care no one to know what his life has brought him see Silent cries within a heart which no ears can set him free Evil thoughts creep thru his head as night comes at hand Perhaps a struggle to let this go, the heaviness which has fused his blood Grown a depression from this illness of weak self control He no longer can stop the forbidden pleasure of poison in his soul Prowls the nights as a soulless man in search of a quick fix What he’s become so young and pure with endless choices to fulfill a wish No chains held him down strong enough to keep him from success No longer a man but a monster who knows no truth no question worth to answer No path to walk unless it leads to this poison he’s grown to love Addicted to death with clear explanation to why he’s become this way No clear way to avoid this day no way to leave his pain. The man was in love under clouds of rain with no shelter to ease his strains He turned to a last hope in escaping hurt the only way he knew how On his stone he wrote should be written, and the following is how “Passion of love turns to death of a man” As he closed with a final breath...........No longer a sound.

Hello again everyone, excuse my absence from this site and topic. Another set of April 24th demonstrations were directed by Armenian’s across the globe. Many have been doing this for years and much more are now old enough to understand and interact. I’m extremely proud to see that young Armenian’s are joining with older Armenian’s in a constant readiness to explain to and defend our disbursed ethnicity throughout the world. This thread in its original form is flawed and doesn’t represent anything more than an excerpt from my overall thoughts regarding various bundled issues Armenia and its Diaspora is faced with today and have been faced with for centuries. To understand where we are now, we need to look back to where we are coming from, or why we were there in the first place. Arratta, Ashot and Tigo, it was a pleasure meeting all three of you and I look forward to continuing this topic. So let me begin with setting the foundations of it. If any individual other than Armenian decent would like to join this conversation, by all means do, regardless of what negative things you might think or hear about Armenian’s, we are a smart, strong, understanding and caring nation. If you are not Armenian yet would like to join this conversation in a positive way and join our efforts into concluding this topic, again you are welcomed to. I have but one request which is if you would state your ethnic background and explain your ideas without instigating any hatred. Hatred will not be tolerated and the administrators will remove you and your posts from this site. Therefore if you want to be heard you must carry an intelligent conversation as the rest of us. The points of discussion which I believe are some of the fundamental issues preventing Armenian’s from succeeding in the acknowledgment of the Turkish government’s orchestration and involvement of the Armenian genocide. (From here on I will refer to the “Turkish Acknowledgment of their orchestration and involvement of the Armenian genocide” as “our cause” or “cause.”) Let’s break this down using these following methods: “Ideas and questions” -(Recognition of the Armenian genocide by Turkish government- How exactly do we do this) “More ideas and counter responses”- (They did it! We have proof of people and documents and videos, etc. - The pictures and people have helped, but have not solved this issue, we need a new approach) “Theories and fears”. - (Turkey will eventually give in to our demands and acknowledge the Armenian genocide- What if they don’t, what will happen then.) “Foreign inspired domestic conspirers within the Armenian government or country- What is their ultimate goal”. - (How do we find them, how can we prove it’s them, what do they want- Who is their employer and what does the employer plan to do with the acquisition of this individual) I'll end this here; I think we should continue with this list before we begin with the answering process of it. Let’s cook this topic for a few days and divide them equally into the members who are willing to or have enough time to spare on doing some research and concluding some valuable results. Or, we can just work them one by one among all of us on this forum. I state one by one so we don’t get confused and make sure we conclude each one in the best possible way. Thank you all for your time and have a nice day.

Enduring the Sea This ship had long sailed but the port went fishing As the ship struggles to return whats missing The men are half-yelling, fearing their fears But a Captain he is, his conscience un-queried. Opened the sky and out came season Tears of heaven surrounding his reason Never wet or tired from thoughts Like the woman he loves dancing his thoughts. For whom is this story darkened by season Darkened or dark struck without a reason Yet reason has no cure from time or season Colors his thoughts and confirms his reason. A man stands on planks and shines a hope Sailing into the wind awaiting a moment of truth A moment to prove to men his sails are not loose His ship was once lost but now has returned Silence from the men whose fears unconfirmed Quite as the captain ponders his moment Planned his success now plans his next moment. Levon K.

The problem with religion is not that a person believes in something, its that that person tries to convince others to believe in it. Either thru force, manipulation, or tireless conversations about a topic that has no solid prrof to support either side. People have for centuries been debating this issue, whats funny though is how every generation thinks they have the answer mankind has been waiting for.

Tiesto- Just be. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvKbGQRrWCM Tiesto- Empty Streets http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyldOqXTdHk

There was a time when man kind was not as advanced in technology and theology as it is today, when criminality was the essence of most problems in civilized countries trying to become nations of strength, when internet and television was not around to help people forget about their troubles. There was one language one could speak to bring unity even amongst the most troubled souls. No country, state, or law could communicate with a person as one entity could do on a spiritual level. States and laws are meant to appeal to our intellect, yet how can we not intellectually acknowledge that a human being is compounded of more then just the sensations of the brain. We stutter at the definition of explaining love or ghostly events, yet some assume that intellect can answer all questions pertaining to life and beyond it. In times when nations would rule with fists, or slaughtered villages for personal gain, and limited the ultimatums to ones lifestyle, many found themselves excommunicated with society, outcasts and imprisoned unjustifiably. There only communication was to receive justice not in this life, but in the one that followed; the life which no state or law can take away, knowing that his spiritual path will eventually be that which he is left with. God, is more than a theory, it is what gives people hope! It is what some need to fill the emptiness this cold and ugly world enforces on you. The daily intra-courses, trifles, and troubles one is faced with would become unbearable if you knew that the man made powers above you, men just as you, flesh and blood, born to eventually die, were the only authority over you in life and who you want to become. When a person becomes excommunicated with society, a person must, and needs to have some higher entity to turn to, whether they choose meditation as their relief, whether it be God, or Jesus, Jehovah, or Buddha. Religion is a form of expression; it’s a way to calm your soul, and your heart. I still haven’t changed my view towards religion, but since I’ve stopped believing I’ve begun to sense an emptiness in me, sometimes it’s stronger and other times theyre unoticable, though I can say that I definitely did not feel this emptiness before.

Arpa jan, en im orva pahelu dzevi hamar ku hantep, ku tariki martu hantep, entunumem vor da sxala exel im komits. Yes kezi chem chananchum, nu es situm inchkan gitem vochvoku chem chananchum. Bayts ku tariki hamar, yev im ku tarike che hargelu hamar, amot ezgalov neroxutyun em asum. Yes mi taruts avela tarber siterum, tarber texer paykarem anum mer azgy hamar, karam im anune tam et siteri yete kuzes, bayts andzampt kez ktam menak PM'ov. Im es arachi poste lriv anhacheli statsvets im hamar, oo statsvets vortev karcher oo sxaler shat banerov. Bayts voch mi tepkum yes im azgy dem eres chem teki vochmi ayl azgy hamar kamel hyei hamar. Es postov indzi shatere sxal en haskatsel, vor ariteh tak uxelu, kashxatem dzez ubidit anem vor es bolor situatione petk chi lini. Yes indz tuyl chem ta vor stex, es sitits mi bazar durs ga, voch te patvi hartsa, ayl azgy. Im kartsikna.

Ashot jan, indzi xorurt petk chi te sa incha oo inch chi. PM ov yes lriv batsatrelem kez vonts em nayum es hartsi shurch. Hajox.

Kabir-boy, Im glad that you think Armenians should begin disscussion more than argument and fights with each other over missunderstandings. But this post in its original form, is flawed, i do admit. It does not specify anything which Armenians have been longing for during the past century. I appreciate your effort, thank you.

Arrtta-kingdom yes voch ku havese unem vochel zhamanake, vochel en tarikna im mot vor internetov martkants het zhamo linem, vor darumes aprum apeh jan. Havata du indz ches uzum tenas, do proste chgites vor ches uzum tenas. Hajox.

B.B.King- Thrill is gone http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vI_XMn-tRc

Edward, im mtkere dzer mtkerits etkanel heru chi, oo inchkanel mart irar nmanvi, amen martel ira hatkutyunere uni vore nranov tarbervuma urishnerits. Yes das tvxoi derum chem es situm, oo yes jogumem shat baner kan vor es sitits es karam kaxem, te im kyankum uxutyun, te hasarak amen orva zruts. En inchvor verabervuma es postin, Edward jan, es poste batsveler mi kani amis arach, mi urish xosaksutyan mech, hartse sa er, yete mtneink negotiationer mech, inch kpahancheyi. Te avel oo pakas baner em grel im posti mech himi aveli lavem haskanum. El chgitem vonts asem vor aveli parz lini.

Ashot, lriv hamamitem ku aracharkadzin. dazhe kuzenam toxenk es teman minchev april 24its hetova hamar. Te hnaravora es teman forumi mechits hanel vapshe minchev et ore ga, erp bolores ktnenk karelia es temayi shurch xosal.

MosJan, eli uzenk oo pahanchenk, chemel asum vor pahanchelu chunenk lika unenk. Es teman lriv ira maste kortsrela oo darela lriv mi urish ban.

This thread was created a while back with the idea in mind that, if there were negotiations, what would you want. Was it a good response, now that I look back on it, no it wasn’t, it has many flaws, and there are many things that don’t detail my thoughts. But the fact that people here are acting out of paranoia towards me because there have been some other questionable people who come to this site looking to kill the Armenian spirit, doesn’t justify their reaction either. I can also question their dedication to Armenians in general when they allow some outsiders to influence how they treat other Armenians. Either way, Im not one of those people, and I clarified that several times, those who continue with their assaults should note that they’re not so great themselves, and we all make mistakes. The one I made didn’t hurt anyone, didn’t make anyone bleed, or anything of the sort. Whatever I did, I did to myself, and others saw it. The irony of this whole thing is how I feel as though I need to prove to some of you that Im not a sell out, and that Im as proud about who I am as the proudest person in this site.

They are not solutions, they were the topic starter. Why is that so hard for everyone to understand? They have faults, and I left alot of information out, either because I dont know it, or wasnt able to do enough research on it. My supposed made up solutions? It wouldnt work I understand that, Ive come to agree with that as well. Theyre wrong, and bringing the topic up with the lack of information, and leaving people to assume that Im trying to be a sell out was a mistake on my behalf. I agree. I'm not making anything, all I was trying to do was open up a friendl convo about it, and thinking some people might add more information to it which would be a better product at the end. Whats with all the hate, hate on someone who deserves it.

I continue this conversation, but Its obvious that we have become very sidetracked. Genocide is a hate of crime, among other things. Genocide was done out of hate towards the Armenians, but the dirty Turks had other things in mind as well. They wanted to rid all who were not Turkish from their Empire; Armenians were the best target, because we and the Greeks were the only non-Muslim ethnicities living in mass numbers in Turkey. Again, anytime any group of people or anyone for that matter kills its hard to say that they do not hate, they do hate, I don’t need a lesson of how hateful Turks are and how hateful they have been towards Armenians. I know this first hand. "They acted out of hate". When I told you we don't negotiate the truth, I meant we don't negotiate the facts about the armenian genocide and we refuse to negotiate with those who hate us. you see how you controdic youself. first you play 'geo-political' card, then you controdict yourself by saying 'they acted out of hate'. I’m not contradicting myself, go back and you’ll see that I worded as it is not ONLY a hate crime, and when I mentioned that Turkey brought in Kurds into the villages which Armenians lived and promised then land and money to kill the Armenians and rid them from the villages, this is one of the ways Turkey is trying to deny any Turkish involvement the genocide today. If genocide is not a hate crime, then why the hell the governments of turkey and azerbaijan destroy everything that is associated with the armenians? they hate the armenains! Because they hate Armenians, they’re afraid of Armenians because they know were freedom fighters, and can cause them damage. The more we push the more they have to push back. They don’t want to negotiate because they know the outcome of negotiations, they will be proven wrong we will be proven right! We will demand our lands back as well as retribution for all the Armenian lives lost in the genocide. Turkey, assuming they humbly acknowledge the international community and do as told, will be left with nothing but a bad rep, and a sore butt. Aratta: poor creature. run out of arguments? No, I'm being honest, I can be a creature at times, I’m not lying. Aratta: what is your goal? My goal is not just my goal, The goal of every Armenian, to begin the intellectual front against the Turkish propaganda machines, the Azerbaijan threats, the problems we are faced with, unless we are able to find dialogue then we are no where, we are a bunch of people, with a bunch of thoughts, and the only thing we can always agree on is if war breaks out we will go and fight. How about a discussion of all things, If Turkey were to even want to negotiate with Armenia. Since they will be called negotiations this would mean both sides would want to gain something out of it. How much are we willing to give up, and in return for what? Aratta: you will never be half of what i am. the nonsense you talk about negotiating with the turks and giving away with their demands goes to show who you really are. Who am I? I know who I am Aratta jan, and my family knows, my friends and cousins know as well. What you think, and the reasons for why you think it, don’t make me less of a person. When I go to sleep tonight I will be the same, and when I awake, I will be the same then too. I wish the same for you. Aratta: as you can see, your views are not accepted and they make no sense at all. don't try to reinvent a wheel. your posts are full of contradictions and in most cases you don't make sense at all. I made it clear from the get go, that this topic is open for all sorts of discussion, I thought that I would not get offended, but some of you went out of your way to do so. Its a discussion, if you feel as though its an unnecessary wheel, please put in a bid to the admin and we can both take our views to him/her and let them decide if this topic should remain or not. It must hurt to be taken for a fool. When you run out of arguments, try not to insult otherwise you might be kicked out of the forum. It’s hard only when the reasoning is legit, otherwise it’s just annoying. Being taken as a fool is not something I’m worried about, I’ve dealt with my pride and I know where I stand in life. I just don’t appreciate people who attack others while thinking they’re invisible from being attacked themselves. You claimed "all countries can be negotiated with if hatred and fear is removed from the equation"...i told you genocide is a crime of hate and you can't negotiate with someone who hates you and- is driven to destroy you. If they hate us, let them hate us, we hate them too, in other words what you’re also saying is that they cant negotiate with us either since we hate them back. Let them hate us, I have no further comments on this question, I choose to remain silent for the time being out of the recognition that this topic is too sensitive for some on this forum, and I do not wish to hurt or offend anyone anymore then I have since my arrival. Turkish hate for the armeians is much more serious than of what those muslim terrorists do. Turkish hate for the armeians is so deep that they even kill a pregnat woman with the baby inside her. You said those who solve problems with hate and fear -and i told you don't associate the turkish hate or the muslim terrorists acts with the name armenians. True you’re right, they do hate Armenians in a different way compared to lets say Muslim extremists hating ....Americans. I stand corrected. Everything put aside, I’m curious, is it possible, being an Armenian, in dealing with all the pain and suffering the A.G has caused if ever I can resolute any approach which might sound similar to entering a negotiation with turkey (assuming they to will do and feel the same) You are not my friend and you can never be my friend. Go look for a friend somwhere else. Genocide is a crime of hate and it has nothing to do with "geo-politics". Don't ever dare to teach people who survived a genocide how to deal with the butcher. Don't ever tell us "If you want a solution to Armenia's problems based on hate and fear", when the enemy still hates us and is not willing to accept his guilt. Every Armenian is my friend whether they know it or not, good or bad, straight or gay, if you’re Armenian then I’m an Armenian friend you want to have. Don’t take it personal I don’t know you, and considering someone as a friend, and living a life of friendship are two different things in my book. The enemy hates us and we hate them, we're surrounded by enemies, how do we build Armenia stronger to defend ourselves? We can become the butcher in negotiations. Then again maybe negotiating in any way shape or form is not the solution, and I’m stupid for thinking that it might help. Unless you’re just trying to get rid of me, then this discussion will continue with or without you. You are blaming the Armenains for daring to stand against the enemy. When you say "Armenia is located in hostile territory; rhetoric that instigates fear and promotes war will lead to more Armenian deaths and a less likely victory"... you say let's agree with the enemy or else! If you want to ask me what I meant by something, why don’t you stop creating the conclusion to what I said in your own mind before asking me what I meant. Armenia is located in hostile territory: We are located amongst enemies/foes. We live our lives in hoping for the day when we will know what our exact part is in bringing Armenia to its feet. I’m someone who will go and fight to defend Armenia if war breaks; therefore I have the right to speak about the enemies we are confronted with. Rhetoric that instigates fear and promotes war: I am not against defending Armenia, nor am I pro giving into the will of our opponents. We can have negotiations, and negotiations might fail with either side not agreeing, thus leading to war. Rhetoric form of speaking is a form of persuading the audience to believe or follow that which the speaker is saying. When you say all Turks hate Armenians and want to kill pregnant Armenian wives, that’s angry rhetoric, because no matter how much I might hate the Turks for the genocide, I know that not all Turks feel this way about Armenians. Hence my comment about stopping the rhetoric and continuing with productive convo. Aran papat a. As a person who has lost his mother to an illness, and looks at his father as his personal savior, and is willing to give his life for him at any moment, in a millisecond. I want you to know how hard it is for me too hold myself back, and not come after you when you least expect it. For the sake of your best interest and mine, I’m calling off our meeting, there is no way I can promise you a positive solution to any hantipum we have, and internet-beef is not a reason I would be willing to be in lockup again for. Aratta: The counted few who took arms to defend their families are not the same as your muslim terrorist brothers. My Muslim terrorists? What about in the early 80's when a group of Armenians known as ASALA were blowing up Turkish diplomats, as well as innocent by-standards. I’m not saying I don’t understand why they were, I myself have the thought of it sometimes doing something similar. We all have the choice to figure out ways that will either help the Armenians cause, or do harm to it. Aratta: We are getting recognition because of people like me. The kind like you who try to convince the armenians to negotiate the truth must never teach my kind how to do their job. I’m in no way saying we should negotiate the truth. Please try to understand what I am saying, or don’t, its your call, after a few more posts I will discontinue my will to continue this conversation on this forum. I record the facts. You talk nonsense. You don’t record facts, you quote them. Second think what you want, I could care less. Talking is cheap. I'm from Glendale. PM me say where and when we can meet so you can show me what spreading is. It doesn’t matter where you are from, I’m also from Glendale, and if you ever get in my face ill show you who I really am then. Internet beef is cheap, I said private message me so I can better explain to you, not so I can meet you and fight you. You'll get a chance to find out after we meet. You’re threats have put you in an awkward situation which you probably never imagined you would be. If we ever do meet, they will be on my terms, not yours. Keep your threats to yourself you’re not scaring me. P.S Its funny how you’ve already amounted to personal threats on an online forum. tellins is nothing. why don't you make me? Because I don’t want to make you cry, I don’t want to make anyone cry, I want to make people happy, and smile, and glad to be an Armenian. I would cry if I knew it would bring happiness to my country, unfortunately the only happiness it would bring is to people who think like you. Therefore I don’t cry in life, or at least I try not to.

I dont think im insane...the last time I checked into a medical facility to stay current with a court oder for eating human beings while they were alive, the MD there said Im not insane and free to leave. So I guess the answer would be...hmmmm no im not insane Relgious conversations always bring out the best and worst sides of people, it seemed like you had some reasoning for the poll. Oh well if you didnt you didnt, who am I to judge. Have you ever tried meditating? Seriously, have you?

* I coudlnt edit, this paragraph should replace the first paragraph.* The Armenian economy is the answer to most of our problems. Regardless of our current economical situations, or if price of gas may rise, these negative effects on the economy can only be balanced by creating jobs. I'm not saying that an economy with plenty of well paying jobs does not have problems of its own, no it does, but since were addressing Armenias current problems, its right to point out that the jobless economy should be our first solution.

The Armenian economy is the answer to all our problems. Regardless of what situation we're in, or if price of gas may rise, these negative effects on the economy can only be balanced by creating jobs. I'm not saying that an economy with plenty of well paying jobs does not have problems of its own, no it does, but since were addressing Armenia’s current problem, its right to point out that the jobless economy should be our first solution. I think the solution to building Armenia’s economy lies in service based entities, such as, Law firms, accounting firms, medical offices (surgery on specific illness that not many countries in that region have to offer, as well as plastic surgery) that deal with clients throughout Europe, and the middle-east. With a few big Armenian investors, and the knowledge of individuals such as Kirk Kerkorians involvement with GM, along with many talented Armenians who have a knack for designing beautiful things, we (Armenia) can produce a car which can begin selling in local regions and expand throughout the world, thus improving Armenian prestige in the automotive world, and bringing countless production jobs into Armenia. The next key should be education; we should educate our young in future jobs, and those who are older in future jobs as well as technical jobs as they are being created. Education standards in Armenian schools should be compared to those in Japanese schools. (I’m not suggesting that the education level in Armenia is not good, only that since Armenia is so small we should thrive to be more competitive, and try to educate as many Armenians as possible) Knowledge and the ability to successfully articulate ones self is the pathway of the future regardless of which region in the world you live in. Also, Armenian foods should be exported, similar to Mexican products being distributed in the U.S. We need some major marketing quotas to meet, but if done correctly and if maybe the government can help financing some smaller already existing companies in Armenia to grow their employee level, bring in some well qualified and experienced marketing reps with clients in that region, we can definitely grow in this industry, thus again creating a prestige for Armenian food products, and creating jobs for Armenians living at home.