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"Harut jan, He is Kirk, not "a relative". He drives a Aston Martin probably too. But that is good because we can make him buy us beer tomorrow. "
Asten Martin qshel em 1985 tvi HAmernern el gites inch eyin ? hallA, im meqenan cher jishtn asats mi Arab BArekam unem n@ran er. mi 4 amis dzerq@s er, bayts te shat z@zveli meqena en ha havata.
lav eli indzi drel eq Bilyoneri ter yes
@endhamen@ milyoner em Haykakan Dramov
19" Harout jan et im meqenayi Bandajneri chapsna de du patkeratsra camerayis chaps@ inch kerni - over hed progector aper ir pryamo gtsov kapvatsa CNN het.
che ah inch 19" @endhamen@ 2-1/4" erni te che
Haroutna eli - / - Ba
du espes indz dzer arr tesnem var@ Limonat k@xmes te che
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i know whats wrong Kazza has HAshish then Sex it sould be Sex then Hashish?
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i just gat hold of a shogun: total war - warlord edition -
this is a slow game i can not do nothing...
basta
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Movses, wether you or her I don't care i want it to be removed. Obviously you don't see a problem here. No comments... Kazza, i ask you to remove the first 2 lines of your signiture. Pls do so.
Artur i do see a problem, but it's not up to me to teal Kazza to remove or not remove,
i do not say many thinks but that those not mean that thus are not problems.
like You Artur registering a #HyeForum i on IRC and having topic liek www.Hayastan.com or something like that. like you posting your web address , like you sabotaging trades, whey would you do this Arturo ??? maybe you have a intention ? hmm lets see you do own a Armenian Forum your self don't you .?
teal me if registering a #hayforum was not intentional??
tell me that you haven't tried directing traffic from this web site ??
if tear is problems or problematic person that I need to deal wit you will be the #1 so don't let me loose my cool and bust your chaps for your childish games that your playing.
cut the crap!!! i do not have the time or the helth.
before you point a finger on any person, take a good look at your self. see haw many fingers are pointed at you ...
iy iy iy iy iy
when it's time for us to interfere we will interfere / and Think 10 times and post once!!! in your case Think 100 times and post once!!!
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The Sumgait Tragedy Volume I
edited by Samuel Shahmuratian
Caratzas
pp. 343
reviewed by Vaughn Hovanessian
The Sumgait Tragedy Volume I is the first of a three volume series to document the massacre of Armenians in 1988 in Soviet Azerbaijan. The first two volumes include the personal testimonies of survivors of the attack. The third volume will contain related records of court proceedings, including indictments and sentences, as well as photos and articles from the press. Soviet journalist Samuel Shahmuratian is the editor. Yelena Bronner and Girair Libiridian provide comments.
Sumgait is a town near Baku, Azerbaijan. Hundreds of thousands of Armenians lived in that region in 1988 as they have since ancient times. In February and March of 1988 there were attacks and killings by Azeris on a massivie scale, a pogrom. Sadly, this was nothing new and, in fact, the attacks continue to this day. What's special about this particular massacre was its size, the massive evidence of the Azeri government's complicity, and the indifference and callousness of the Gorbachev regime.
The 1988 events in Sumgait and Nagorno Karabagh, an Armenian region of Azerbaijan, were a part of a long series of efforts by the Azeris to grab Armenian lands and drive out Armenians to live in their own shrunken republic. Previously Armenians had been forced out of Nakhichevan as well as other regions they traditionally held. As well, Armenians suffered pogroms before in Baku in 1918 and Shusha in 1920.
At rallies and on television, leaders of the Communist Party of Azerbaijan and various Azeri and Muslim groups exhorted mobs into a frenzy for slaughter. Many well educated and well respected Azeri leaders infuriated their followers with ludicrous stories of Armenians butchering Azeris in Nagorno Karabagh. These assertions were completely unfounded.
From that point on thousands joined mobs to hunt for Armenians at their homes. The fact that the Azeris were supplied with the addresses of so many Armenians and the fact that, on a local level, nothing was done to discourage or halt the pogrom attests to the Azeri government's complicity. As well, trucks delivered ample supplies of vodka, drugs, and weapons to the crowds.
In Sumgait gangs roamed from building to building forcing their way into Armenian homes. Houseware, pianos and personal belongings, etc, were stolen or destroyed. Armenian men were pounded with hammers, young girls were carved up in front of their parents then thrown off balconies. Axes, knives, and crowbars were commonly used. Then the gangs would often return to Armenian homes see if they missed anything and would just wreck more havoc.
Systematically groups of men as well as teenagers checked cars and buses. Demanding identification they would pull suspected Armenians out onto the street, club them senseless with machine armature shafts or stone them to death.
Armenians had no time to flee or to organize self-defense. Yet families armed and protected themselves as best they could, often converting household materials into improvised weapons.
In one case a father and son combined electrical wiring, a metal bed frame with metal parts of their apartment's doorway to create an electrified barrier. When, from inside, they heard a gang try to batter down their door the Armenians poured water onto the bed frame. The result would have made Thomas Edison proud!
The evidence in the Sumgait Tragedy shows that many Azeris protected their Armenian neighbors. While there were always those who would finger the apartments owned by Armenians many hid or physically defended women and children. Soviet soldiers who did bravely protect the Armenians were often stoned severely by hysterical crowds.
In the hospitals, literally adding insult to injury, Armenians who had been severely beaten or raped often faced hateful Azeri doctors and nurses. When anesthetics were available they were often denied Armenians on the operating table. Others died needlessly after prolonged delays in medical care. But again, there were also those medical personnel who were sympathetic and looked out for their Armenian charges.
Were the pogroms against the Armenians in Azerbaijan just the result of old ethnic rivalries or a civil war? That was the view of Gorbachev, the US press, and many in the Armenian community here at the time. Not true! Numerous Azeri intellectuals, the Armenian witnesses in our book, as well as some Western journalists who dug a little deeper come together on one point that this situation was at least partly created as a way to divert attention from economic mismanagement.
Gorbachev's response was that there was no genocide; that shameless drunken youth were responsible for 'a few dozen deaths of people from different nationalities..' Did Gorbachev also collude in this massacre? According to the Armenians interviewed, the Soviets had full knowledge that something would occur in Baku and Sumgait. A major Soviet garrison stationed a mere 10 miles from Sumgait; yet, they were never fully deployed to protect Armenians.
This compelling account reads as though it was written by dozens of Ann Franks It's not simply a collection of horror stories. Through the oral history we get a glimpse into the lives and hearts of our Armenian brothers and sisters:
"I haven't yet talked about Aunt Maria. They took her outside the apartment along with Papa, and stripped her naked. They beat her and her brother at the same time, she told me about it later. On the stairway they ordered them to put their hands behind their heads and go downstairs. Suddenly at the entryway they start beating both of them on the head with armature shafts.
Papa and Aunt Maria fell down and the attackers start beating them with whatever they can find, kicking them in the stomach, in the sides, everyway possible. ...later they poured something all over him and burned him. He struggled and contorted , groaned, cried in a terrible voice, and burned alive. "
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From Armenians.com
Website dedicated to 1988 Events of Sumgait will be on line soon.
we have been working on this project for some 2 moths new, it's so interesting to find that it's a big cover-up by a Soviets, it was documented by soviets that only 39 Armenian have died result of the events, but some stress are showing over 75. soviets have cover-up for azeri fanatics, end way 39 only ? ehhh
if any of you have information on Sumgait events, photos, articles, or if you know of anyone that has suffered in this events pleas send me a PM
Thank you
Movses
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SUMGAIT VICTIMS REMEMBERED IN KARABAGH
Karabaghi president Arkady Ghuasian, senior officials of executive and legislative government of Karabagh and other public figures visited the Monument dedicated to the 1988 Sumgait tragic events’ victims and paid homage to the memory of the victims.
A divine liturgy was also served by the participation of senior clergymen.
© Copyright AZG
Anti-Armenian Violence
Sumgait: The vigorous but mainly peaceful political activity in Artsax and Yerevan was accompanied by a resumption of killings. On February 27, fanatical Azeri-Turks went on a three day rampage in Sumgait, a new industrial town 20 miles from Baku, murdering members of the town's large Armenian minority and destroying their property. According to the official Soviet account 32 died, but eyewitness reports stfongly suggest the true figure runs into the hundreds. Marina Pogosyan, a young survivor of the Sumgait massacre, testified:
"On the twenty-sixth, a Friday, a friend of mine warned me to stay inside over the weekend. Still, I went to work - I taught in a nursery schood - and walked home at noon. That afternoon, there was another Azerbaijani rally, in downtown Sumgait, and then crowds of people went through the shopping area where Armenians worked, and broke windows and smashed things. I heard cries of 'Death to Armenians! Blood for blood!' It was mostly young people, and the police didn't stop thepn. Late that night, after we had gone to bed, we heard yelling on the street, and through the window I saw thousands of people in a mob marching through the street, most dressed in black, carrying clubs and Turkish flags with the half-moon. They were yelling, 'Get out! Armenians are killing our people and you're sitting here! We must purge our city! The next day, we went to a neighbor's in the building for. her birthday party. We talked about what we had seen, but we thought it was just young hooligans, fhen a neighbor boy came in, looking pale. We asked him what was happening, and he said: 'You don't know? They're killing and burning people out there, breaking into people's apartments.' We called the police, and they said: 'Stay where you are. You're not the only ones. We can't help you.' A Russian neighbor came to us and invited us to wait in her apartment. There were about three families with her - fifteen people. We spent the whole night there. The mob came and knocked on our door, and she went outside and told them that we were not there - that we'd moved a week ago. A few times after that, they passed by and broke into neighbors' apartments. By that time, no Armenians were home. So there were no killings (in her building-ed.), but there was a lot of destruction. They threw the chairs and the dishes out of the window. I had absolutely no hope that we'd survive. I figured they'd kill us all sooner or later. The mob came again, but on Monday soldiers came in tanks and took us to the Party committee building." (Cullen, 1991, pp. 66-7)
Marina Pogosyan and her family were allowed to collect money and a few possessions before being flown to Yerevan. Most of Sumgait's Armenian community survived the attacks. Many, like Miss Pogosyan, were sheltered by brave Russian and Azeri-Turk neighbours. But the fate of those who fell into the hands of the mob was cruel. Lola Avakyan, a 37-year-old Armenian resident of Sumgait was one of the unfortunate. Seized by an Azeri-Turk crowd, she was stripped and forced to dance before having her breasts slashed and body burned with cigarettes. She was raped and then killed. Several AzeriTurks were arrested and convicted for their involvement in the mayhem.
Sumgait postscript: On March 2, 1993, the Office of Azerbaijani Procurator announced that it had recommended that President Eichibey grant an amnesty to those convicted of violent offenses against Armenians during the Sumgait pogrom. The Procurator's Office reported that it expected the President to act according to its recommendation. On the same day, a proposal for the amnesty to be announced on May 28, 1993 - the 74th anniversary of the founding of the first Republic of Az.
[ February 28, 2002, 11:52 AM: Message edited by: PandukhT ]
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KazZa`s Signature
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Hashish is beautiful,
sex is beautiful,
Armos are beautiful
Yes Em hayes
Yes em hayes
keep it real and armenian
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Arturs demand
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" BY Artur - I ask moderators to demand the removal of the signiture from Kazza. If not then, i can't be here, it is shameful for me to see an Armenian girl with such signiture. Our girls are not hash smokers and they don't talk about sex in public!!! It is immoral!"
[ February 28, 2002, 03:13 PM: Message edited by: PandukhT ]
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NIkon Fujji He he
i have used Sony for 3 years so farr, i love it my new camera is a Sony mvc-cd200 - i love it - 156mb cd-rw, PICS and MPEG, good staf
MOvses
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"I ask moderators to demand the removal of the signiture from Kazza. If not then, i can't be here, it is shameful for me to see an Armenian girl with such signiture. Our girls are not hash smokers and they don't talk about sex in public!!! It is immoral!"
Artur stop demanding, and see if you can bee nice to KAzZa, talk to her nicely, then shi might change her signature.
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Nice Site hyespirited
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Azat jan open a Topic and lets see if Sheram can gave us some info
somthing like Beer and wine making
mi topic uneyinq araj bayst te anun@ chem hishum. petq e nayel, pntrel, p@rptel.
Bayts te asem Hoyakap garejur e patrastum, yev gini.
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EbaY.com
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Thank You !!!
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if you need a digital camera let me know
i have some good cameras.
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HAroput jan aper mi tor vor qez moloretsnen - AzaT@ qez xapuma.
no program needed
when your selling something $150+$150 = $400 + TAX
when your baying something $150 + $150 = $200 tax included
it's the best formula yerbeq cheq sxalvi
He HA!!
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GaRo jan No PrObLem Aper
Tereq petqa havaqvenq, Hamaxmbvenq, yev Mer GAroyi MAtner@ Voskejur anenq. heto el mnatsats@
Movses
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Sheram is one of our members in this forum
MAster Duduk player and MAster brewer.
[ February 27, 2002: Message edited by: PandukhT ]
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GROUP OF ARMENIAN, TURKISH AND AZERI JOURNALISTS CREATED SITE
FEBRUARY 27.The Yerevan press-club, the "Yeni Nesil" Union of Azeri Journalists and the Association of Diplomatic Correspondents of Turkey created a trilateral Internet-project "Armenia-Azerbaijan-Turkey: journalistic initiative-2002." A site www.medialogue.org was created under the project. The site includes the most important information on Azerbaijan, Armenia and Turkey on subjects of common interest, the Yerevan press-service told ARMINFO. The web-resource materials are expected to be refreshed weekly.
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SCANDAL IN AZERI PARLIAMENT
FEBRUARY 27. The attempt of the Azeri MPs to "give political assessment of the events in Xocali (Khojali)" ended in a scandal. Commenting on French President Jacques Chirac's decision to acknowledge the Armenian Genocide, MP Shamil Gurbanov said "Chirac became impudent." Speaker of the parliament Murtuz Aleskerov tried to warn Gurbanov against making such statements. The latter ignored his warning and yelled out his statement again. Outraged by the MP's words the foreign diplomats walked out of the session chamber. It's noteworthy that Turkish Ambassador to Baku Unal Cevikoz followed their suit. However he returned by the evening session.
arminfo
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BAKU TO NEGOTIATE WITH STEPANAKERT
FEBRUARY 27. "Artsax is recognized as being an Azeri territory, but de facto it is controlled by Armenia. Besides, Armenia has won the propaganda war as well and it has many strong allies in the world," Zardust Alizade, leader of the Social Democratic Party of Azerbaijan, told the Zerkalo daily (Baku). He said making new proposals the OSCE Minsk Group co-chairs will have to take this nuance into consideration. Under present-day conditions a peace agreement will not meet Azerbaijan's interests. Alizade believes that no single country is going to exert pressure on Armenia at present. He is against mothballing the conflict as this may dispirit the Azeri people. Alizade said Baku, represented by the foreign minister, should negotiate with "the leaders of the Artsax separatists". There have been precedents. In their time England and Spain began negotiations with Irish and Bask rebels. Russian President Boris Yeltsin negotiated with Chechen rignleaders Maskhadov and Yandarbiev. Georgia's leaders have also chosen negotiations as a way to settle their conflict with the Abkhazians. "There is nothing absurd in this," Alizade concluded.
arminfo
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ALIYEV SPECULATES KHOJALU TRAGEDY
Khojalu’s 10-th anniversary marked in Azerbaijan
At the TV message addressed to Azeri nation from Cleveland’s clinic where he had undergone prostate surgery, Azeri president Heydar Aliyev said that he is aware that people are concerned with health, but there is nothing to worry about, for he is feeling fine and will return to homeland in couple of days.
Aliyev departed to London from Cleveland yesterday, February 26. But he is not to sign agreements with British oil companies or have any official meetings. He just visits his daughter who now lives in London.
February 25 Aliyev addressed the Azeri people on the occasion of the 10-th anniversary of tragic events in Khojalu. He said that Khojalu’s tragedy is the continuation of Armenia’s nationalist-chauvinistic policy of ethnic cleansings and Azerbaijanis’ genocide. In the Aliyev’s message it is noted that the goal of Armenians is to capture the Nagorno-Karabagh and other Azerbaijani territories. Aliyev also stressed that the blood of Khojalu victims calls for retaliation.
About ten years ago, in 1992, Aliyev’s attitude towards Khojalu tragic events was totally different. Then he blamed ex authorities of Azerbaijan for the tragedy- mainly the ex president Ayaz Mutalibov. Pitifully the tragedy of Khojalu is being speculated for ten years for political purposes. Then Aliyev speculated the issue for becoming president, and now- for passing the authority to his son Ilham Aliyev.
Ex president of Azerbaijan Ayaz Mutalibov elucidated the Khojalu events in a different way, though. In the recent interview given to Azeri Zerkalo newspaper, Mutalibov said the following: ‘Late interior minister Tofik Kerimov told me the details of the tragic events in the evening of February 25, 1992. He said that several hundred people were killed in Khojalu. I at once called Mkrtchian (then the chairman of supreme council of Karabagh- T.H.). I did not know the man, neither had I met him before. I just knew his surname. Angered, I asked how could they kill about one thousand people in Khojalu. He said that it was nonsense, and nobody was killed in Khojalu. He said that before Armenian troops captured Khojalu it was empty, for a humanitarian corridor was left for people to leave the town, and the inhabitants safely left it. Part of Khojalu residents were sheltered in Stepanakert’s college’s building, Mktrchian told me. He also said they were given food, although there is shortage of food supply in Stepanakert as well. I did not believe him, and called the head of the police department Armen Isagulov. He also reconfirmed that a humanitarian corridor was left for the inhabitants to leave the town’.
To the question what was Rahim Gaziyev (Azeri battalion commander) doing on that gloomy day, Mutaliobov answered frankly: ‘I did not know at first, but Gaziyev was bombing Stepanakert with ‘Grad’ guns, not understanding that it will cause counteraction (it was Gaziyev’s personal initiative, and was not ordered by Azeri chief commanders). Later Gaziyev told me that he was defending Khojalu. And I told him that he did not defend but to the contrary- destroyed Khojalu’.
Yesterday, while Aliyev was spending time with his daughter, the 10-th anniversary of Khojalu tragedy was marked in Azerbaijan.
By Tatoul Hagopian
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TURKISH DENIALIST EFFORT DOUBLES FOLLOWING ISRAELI AMBASSADOR ANNOUNCEMENT
Turkish press continues to closely watch the development of Armenian-Israeli relations connected with the notorious announcement of Israeli ambassador to Armenia Rivka Kohen. Many of Turkish newspapers foresaw ‘crisis’ in Armenia-Israeli relations in this respect.
Elucidating the note of protest sent to Israel by Armenian foreign ministry, Turkish Radical newspaper writes that the position of Armenia in the issue of Armenian Genocide recognition became very harsh, for the response of Armenia to a similar announcement made at the British embassy in Ankara was not as ‘loud’. Radical finds that the stance of Israel affects Armenians morally. The newspaper notes that the public circles of Israel avoid from calling the ‘tragedies’ of 1915 a ‘genocide’. The newspaper at the same time brings all the ‘facts’ denying the genocide, and condemns the allegations of Armenians. Radical also says that Armenians were not killed without opposition, bringing examples of ‘revolts and treason’ of Armenians in the time of Ottoman reign.
© Copyright AZG
European girls!
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Movses Jan, the channel problem is out topic.
will lets see - the name of this topic is European Girls - and your discussing KAzzas Signature - so ser. Artur it's ok for you to discus anything you like but whey cant i discus your behavior ??
you register a channel under this forums name, using the name of this forum you drive traffic to your web-page, I say this is a game that only a kid will play.
About childish games. These are discussions and thank me from driving some traffic to your forum. 90% of discussions come from me. I am afraid without me your forum would be more or less dead. That's one thing.
your giving way to much credit to your self. will their is only one way to fondant.
Another thing about fingers pointed at me. you can not talk strata can you you always have to go zigzags. and one more think I'm not your BRO and this is not Est. LA. i have a name.
democratical way people have a right to express its opinions then way are you pushing your opinion on them ?? I believe one can express his/her opinion without hurting anyone.
I believe i already generate twice as much as your portal i have stopped counting the hits and have deleted most of the counter on our web site long time a go since you know haw much traffic we are getting you might provide us by the numbers.
then agene whey would you bee interested in haw much traffic this or the other portals are getting. or haw would you know since i don't even know the exact numbers my self.
MOvses