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Pieces of history being preserved in Lachin Corridor http://armenianow.com/2002/december13/features/reclamation/003.jpg By Vahan Ishkhanyan ArmeniaNow reporter A museum opened last month in the village of Tsitsernavank, part of the corridor that links Armenia and Artsax and a territory of severe fighting during the 1990-94 war. The territory, previously known as Lachin, is now called Kashatagh. Only recently is the area being resettled, and part of the resettlement has included a search for pieces of Armenian history. So far, the museum houses a candlestick dated to the 5th century, a small statue of a woman with a lamb in her hands, some household items and grave tiles used during funeral ceremonies as coffins. But one significant find has not been fully displayed, as a chief administrator says it is too ghastly. Only a piece of marble tombstone with "Tsatur" inscribed on it and some nails hint of the complete discovery -- a human skull with nails driven into it. The skull and a few fragments of skeleton were found during excavation near a monastery wall and is thought by at least one expert to be the remains of a Christian martyr from the 6th century. (The nails remain at the museum, while the skull was taken to Yerevan for further analysis.) "The rock was dug from below and the cemetery opened itself," says Menush, a specialist who is reconstructing Tsitsernavank and who has reconstructed several churches and was conferred with the Order of Ananya Shirakatsi. "The skull was with nails in it and also arms. A woman took the skull in her hands and was stroking it." Scientists suppose that the remains were buried under the monastery's walls because they belong to someone considered to be a saint. Head of Kashatagh's administration Alexan Hakobyan, who is also a Candidate of Historic Sciences, published the research concerning the remains in "Handes Amsoria" scientific journal. He writes that it is possible to guess from the tombstone's inscription that the martyr's name was Astvatsatur (the entire tombstone was not found). According to Armenian history there was only one martyr with such a name, a Persian by nationality, who was crucified in 553 in Dvin. After an earthquake in Dvin the citizens of that town moved to Syunik, where Tsitsernavank is located. Hakobyan guesses that the martyr's remains were taken there. "It is an exceptional hypothesis. If there are any other opinions then it would be interesting," Hakobyan says, "we didn't exhibit the skull as we think that it is very horrific." Tsitsernavank dates to the 4th or 5th century (construction made in accordance with the project of extended rectangle and it is one of the main types of the early Christian temples). The church and its bakery were reconstructed in 2001-2002 with the help of Armenian benefactors from Diaspora. A 19th century Armenian cemetery is next to the monastery. The museum is in the building of the bakery and is a branch of Kashatagh's museum of regional history. In Berdzor (formerly called Lachin), a museum has opened in 1996 and contains a bronze club dated 3rd millennium B.C. and stone totems. The items were discovered six years ago during excavations carried out in the territory of Kaitskarsar. The most part of the 300 exhibits presented in the museum were collected by the director of the museum Livera Hovhannisyan, who, before moving to Lachin, had been working for 18 years in Yerevan Museum of History and was chief scientific expert. "In April, during one month, I had traveled in 47 villages and collected all these exhibits to be in time for the museum's opening," says Hovhannisyan. "Those days many villages hadn't been settled yet. Accompanied by two men I was going to every village by truck and we were searching and finding in every house things we had been looking for. In one village we were fired upon. Residents of that village hadn't seen other people for a long period of time and when they saw us they were afraid very much and thought we were Azeris." Armenian household items dated from the 3rd to 2nd millennium B.C. are on display in the museum, including an oil glim, dated 3rd millennium and found on the bank of Arax River. A clay pot dated from the 1st millennium was found in Aghavnu gyugh (formerly Zabugh) village as were a lampshade dated around the 17th or 18th century and a copper basin with an inscription that says "Margara - son of Hairapet". Inside Uneasy Relations: Armenians in Russia await outcome of contentious trial Full story -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Self-sustained Living: Building managers meet to discuss concepts of condominium life Full story -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Buried Secrets: Archeological site holds centuries of history Full story Write us at: info@armenianow.com Copyright ArmeniaNow 2002. All rights reserved. Articles may be reproduced, provided ArmeniaNow is cited as the source.

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quote:Originally posted by Domino:I'll finish those classes Martin, but in one condition. After I compleat them, you write a recommendation letter for me, since I'll take no lesser then the Ministry of education of Armenia. Fedulik zguysh hetevi votqert chkotres Lan

feduliki post@ mi nor garapar tvets - portsem iyspes asel - te ov iren inch pashtoni kam gortsi vra e patkeratsnum Hayastanum - yev inch barepoxutyuner kaner yete inq@ liner iyd pashtonin. inch ogut k@tar ir Hayastanum linelov, yev kam inchu inq@ yev voch urish@?? Question for everyone !!! What do you see your self doing in Armenia – what position would you think you qualify for in Armenian government – or what business do you think you can do in Armenia. What makes you most qualified for it. What changes would you make in Armenia or haw can Armenia and Armenians in Armenia profit of you or your work. :)like I like to be a English teacher

Mj duq indz Giniov cheq hrapuri Yes konkret patasxanner em uzum / voch pahanjum mer apagan Prezidentitc. Martin jan minchev en jamanak@ ga vro menq Haystan veradarnanq / tesnenq harmar / apahov / vstaheli paymaner / kartsum em voch yes voch el du gini kam conyak xmelu arorjutyun chenq unena. yete iharke iydqan aprenq.

quote:Originally posted by Accelerated:PHOTO My what has this forum come to, me posting my photo is a thread titled "Miss World" . Anyhow, Im second from right.... iy tra et qez hum hum kuti

hmm xerj trra es inch orna @engel vro et axchka heta durs galis balam Hye Axchik chka ? / gnatsel et Vashxirovi Maymuneri hetevitsn es @engel /? Harout ap mi hat tes inch es anum / es GaziPedalin mi axchik tsuyts tur /

Karabagh President Awards Professor Richard Hovannisian LOS ANGELES--His Excellency Arkady Ghoukassian, President of Mountainous Karabagh Republic (MKR), personally presented the Republic's Mesrob Mashdots medal to Professor Richard Hovannisian during a reception ceremony at the home of Mr. and Mrs. Arthur Nazarian in Glendale, California, on November 26. Hovannisian is the Holder of the Armenian Educational Foundation Chair in Modern Armenian History at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA) and the author of numerous publications relating to the Republic of Armenia, the Karabagh issue, and the Armenian Genocide. The Mashdots medal and certificate were awarded to Professor Hovannisian for his academic and intellectual activities relating to MKR. President Ghoukassian praised Hovannisian's ground-breaking studies on the history of MKR and its attempts to gain international recognition of its right to self-determination. Professor Hovannisian expressed his appreciation to President Ghoukassian and the people of the MKR, in whose name the award was made, and spoke briefly about his intellectual discovery of Karabagh in the 1960s, and his having to come to know the region intimately long before he was able to visit and see it in person. The Mashdots award is the latest in a number of similar recent honors bestowed on Hovannisian. He was previously awarded the Mesrob Mashdots medal by His Holiness Karekin II and the Knight of Cilicia medal by His Holiness Aram I, successive patriarchs of the Catholicosate of Cilicia, and the St. Sahag and St. Mesrob Medal and encyclical by His Holiness Karekin II of the Holy See of Etchmiadzin. He has also been awarded the Movses Khorenatsi medal by the Republic of Armenia for his contributions to Armenian history and culture. Hovannisian has received honorary doctorate degrees from Yerevan State University and from Artsakh State University in Stepanakert. He is the recipient of resolutions of commendation from the US Congress, California State Legislature, Los Angeles City Council, Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors, the Armenian National Academy of Sciences, and numerous Armenian cultural and civic organizations. Most recently, Hovhannisian has been organizing semiannual conferences at UCLA on historic Armenian cities and provinces, with the proceedings of the first three conferences on Van, Bitlis-Mush, and Kharpert now published under his editorship, to be followed by Garin/Erzerum, Sepastia/Sivas, Dikranagerd/Diarbekir, and others.

WANNA BE DEMOCRATIC? RECOGNIZE THE GENOCIDE! Another call addressed to Turkey to recognize the Armenian genocide is voiced in an article published in December 12 issue of influential German ‘Die Welt’ newspaper, written by Hans Stein. In a reference to repeated claims that Turkey has made progress in moving ahead with meeting democratic values respected by the civilized nation of Europe in a bid to seek EU membership, the author of the article says that the Turks should follow the examples of such democratic countries like France, USA and Germany and accept the mistakes of its past. He says that France can be considered a democratic state for it has accepted the atrocities committed towards Algerians; USA is considered a civilized state for everybody there knows that the British settlers slaughtered whole villages of native Indians; Germany has officially recognized the Holocaust and apologized in front of the Jewish people… And it is the high time that Turkey recognizes the 1915 Armenian genocide, in order to gain a right to be placed next to these civilized sates. ‘The Armenian Genocide is a fact, which is proved by written testimonies of such eminent figures as German writer Armin Wagner, American ambassador to Turkey of those days Henry Morgenthau and Austrian military diplomat Pomiankovski’,- writes Mr. Stein, stressing that there can be no doubt about it being a historical truth. © Copyright AZG

ARMENIAN BRANDY RECOGNIZED BEST PRODUCT OF YEAR IN RUSSIA The three-star Armenian brandy with brand name Ararat, manufactured by the Yerevan brandy company, has been recognized the best among other brandy brands in a national contest 2002best product in the Russian capital Moscow. A representative of the Yerevan brandy Company traveled earlier this week to Moscow to attend the prize awarding ceremony. Three-and-five-star Armenian brandies were recognized as the best in 1999, 2000 and 2001 in Russia. © Copyright AZG

Buried Secrets: Archeological site holds centuries of history http://armenianow.com/2002/december13/features/buriedsecrets/001.jpg By Viorica Vladica ArmeniaNow correspondent A group of four to five men equipped with small shovels and brushes are digging tirelessly a hole looking like a crater and each piece they find is a smile on their faces and an occasion for later debates. Their findings, more valuable than jewels, are slices of history. Just days before Armenia's first snow halts their work, the men are digging on a mild and sunny autumn day, as they have for more than a year at the site, Agarak, a six stone multiplex believed to date since the Early Bronze Age. The site, about 30 km from Yerevan, is mostly still a sheltered field with only five percent of its pre-historic and ancient assets brought to light. But the archaeologists promise an out of this world exposure of cultures and civilizations when they finish their work. Even the President visited the place last year and certified it as a State protected monument. For archaeologists the President's decision was good news since it gave them the freedom to apply for grants and it allowed them to drive away the peasants who were destroying the 6,000 years old tombstones with their agricultural works. Some of the flat fields between the multiplexes are still worked by the peasants who live in the nearby village of Voskehat. Although many legends about this place are haunting their community, the farmers did not know until the expedition started that there is a gigantic monument under their day-to-day life. Now they often ask archaeologists when they are going to see the promised monument. "Well, not less than 150 years", says Boris Gasparyan, Director of Gfoeller Fund in Armenia. And he is not joking. Located on the western bank of the Amberd River, the site reaches an area of about 200 hectares and a team of 70 people and a budget of $140,000 a year is not an adequate amount for speedy excavation. Their work, the archeologists say, is for coming generations and for history itself. It is a flat surface pierced periodically by tuff cliff multiplexes, rocky hills and blocks of stone. Archaeologists say all these stones, entombed by time, bear traces of intensive work by both nature and man. There are alcoves carved into the cliffs, as well as stair-like platforms leading to them, in addition to the stone structures. All these multiplexes, including a series of horseshoe-shaped configurations and channels linking them, plus trapezoidal sacrificial altars, make the landscape a multi-stratum monument. The examination of layers shows that the site was subsequently inhabited in various archaeological periods. The first constructions originate from the Early Bronze Age and the latest ones date from the 17th century AD. "For the time being," says Gasparyan, "excavations are being conducted only at the first cliff plateau of the northern complex of Agarak. The street discovered at the northeast edge of this site, as well as the presence along both sides of the street of houses with round floor plans and square external corners, indicate that there was a town here in the Early Bronze Age." The street discovered in this site has been named Gfoeller Avenue, in honor of the brothers from the United States who created a special fund for archaeological digs in Armenia. The location has many crypts, smaller and larger, that in Early Bronze time were shaped for pagan ritual purposes, like sacrifices or burials, but later on served as wine presses and wine storages. During the excavations, archaeologists also found a great amount of ceramic fragments, terra cotta statues; round and horseshoe-shaped candle lamps, jewelry and coins. It is said that Agarak had developed a flourishing economy and commerce, especially during the 3rd and 4th centuries BC, as well as during the 2nd and 4th centuries AD. The greatest evidence for this development is the discovery of painted urban pottery, a drachma of Alexander the Great, a silver coin of Octavian Augustus and several rings found in late antique burials. When it comes to the discovery of Agarak, Pavel Avetisyan, one of the expedition's leaders, says it is "a gift from heaven". http://armenianow.com/2002/december13/features/buriedsecrets/002.jpg "It is a cultural phenomenon that will help us to build an image of what was here thousands of years ago." Among the treasures, a ceramic zoomorphic pot best shows the skills of potters during the 8th-6th centuries BC. It is worked with polish and has various ornaments. Archaeologists say the representation of a ram, with its head on the pot mouth and its genital organs at the bottom, symbolizes fertility and also the patriarchal system of the Urartu times. But to bring the pot to how it looks today took tremendous work. It is not enough to find the ceramic pieces on the field and put them in a glass case in a museum. First, archaeologists fix the spot where the objects are found. Then, very carefully, like surgeons during an operation, they are taking them out of the ground. Discovered fragments are then brought into the laboratory to be vigilantly cleaned. Then a restoration crew goes to work, putting the pieces into a single object. "I like everything connected with the restoration", says Lilit Manukyan, who is doing this job for eight years, "because at the beginning it is like a mystery, and in the end it is the unbinding of this work. It is like a puzzle." Indeed, the site of Agarak, which contains hundreds of thousands similar objects makes Armenians proud of what is preserved in their country. But the more is discovered the more remains to be discovered. Maybe 150 years is too much for a lifetime but insignificant for a clash of civilizations gathered all in the site of Agarak. As the archaeologists say: "Maybe in 150 years our descendants will walk on Gfoeller Avenue and say: 'This is an Early Bronze street'." (To see a photo gallery of the work at Agarak, visit www.patkerphoto.com) Inside Uneasy Relations: Armenians in Russia await outcome of contentious trial Full story -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Self-sustained Living: Building managers meet to discuss concepts of condominium life Full story http://armenianow.com/2002/december13/features/buriedsecrets/003.jpg Buried Secrets: Archeological site holds centuries of history Full story Write us at: info@armenianow.com Copyright ArmeniaNow 2002. All rights reserved. Articles may be reproduced, provided ArmeniaNow is cited as the source.

Armenians in Russia await outcome of contentious trial http://armenianow.com/2002/december13/news/uneasyrelations/001.jpg By Julia Hakobyan ArmeniaNow reporter The trial against skinheads charged with desecrating Armenian graves in Krasnodar, Russia, continues to be delayed, eight months after charges were brought. More than 20 Russian citizens were charged with destroying 31 Armenian graves in the Slavyanskoe cemetery last April 17. Nine of the accused have appeared so far in the court of Kuban in sessions that began in August. The Armenian newspaper Yerkramas reported that seven of the accused remain free, after signing documents agreeing to not leave the area. Two others have been held in custody. The newspaper reported that the defendants initially admitted their guilt, then recanted, saying they were pressured by police into making implicating statements. The hearings were first postponed so that one of the accused could be examined by a doctor. A second postponement occurred when one defendant did not appear in court. The delays, says Armen Hovsepyan, a member of the Krasnodar branch of Armenians Union of Russia cause Armenians of Krasnodar to doubt the validity of the trial. "The trial lasts over eight months, though all evidences of crime were obvious," Hovsepyan says. "It is time to bring the verdict. I am afraid that impunity would inflame the tensions against Caucasians in the region." The Armenian Diaspora of Krasnodar (around 500,000) believed that the action of hooligans was provoked by the remark of the regional governor, who announced by local TV early in April that Krasnodar should be cleaned of people from the Caucasus. They blame Alexander Tkachiov for his "anti-Armenians" politics, which they say were inherited form the previous Governor Nicolay Kondratenko. On November 16 the ex-governor of Krasnodar, Kondratenko, said in a speech that more than 50 percent of schoolchildren in Adler (one of the seaside cities of Krasnodar region) are Armenians. "We Russians are losing Russia" he said. Hovsepyan says that migration control became tougher after Chechen terrorists took hostages in a Moscow theater in November, leading to about 200 deaths. "The migration control is at every step," Hovsepyan says. "The police stop you in the street only because you are not Russian." Hovsepyan , a native Krasnodar resident says that all Armenians take passports with them everywhere. At the same time he says that Krasnodar indeed faces a great flow of illegal migration. "The situation is stable, though Armenians, both citizens and illegal immigrants, feel the tensions while in transport, institutions or in the street." The hearing of another case connected to anti-Armenian actions was recently heard in another Russian city of Krasnoarmeisk, where 150 Armenians make up a population of about 35,000. There (50 kilometers north of Moscow), 20 Russians were arrested July 7 after 25 Armenians were beaten or injured. The incident was sparked by a fight between a Russian and an Armenian, in which the Russian was stabbed and spent several weeks in hospital. Mariana Babayan, the second secretary of the Armenian Embassy in Moscow told ArmeniaNow that the Armenian community was watching the trial and says that it was fair. "The verdict is that it was a domestic conflict between Armenians and Russians. The accused were free with condition not to leave the city." "We have to admit that Hayk Sayan (accused in the stabbing) initiated the clash. He is in jail at present. "Recently the delegation of the Embassy went to Krasnoarmeisk. The situation is stable and calm there. Armenians of Krasnoarmeisk could call us at any moment if there will be any troubles. The mayor of Krasnoarmeisk arrived at our invitation to celebrate Armenia's independence in September. I can say than in Moscow Armenians are not oppressed. At least those who have citizenship or temporary registration." Inside Uneasy Relations: Armenians in Russia await outcome of contentious trial Full story http://armenianow.com/2002/december13/news/uneasyrelations/002.jpg Self-sustained Living: Building managers meet to discuss concepts of condominium life Full story -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Buried Secrets: Archeological site holds centuries of history Full story Write us at: info@armenianow.com Copyright ArmeniaNow 2002. All rights reserved. Articles may be reproduced, provided ArmeniaNow is cited as the source

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yete jisht@ uzum eq imanal - mez prezident petq chi !!! Mez MARD a petq vro et yerkir@ votqi kangnetsny te che ov klini prezident kam chi lini - tarberutyun chuni - chgitem - yes gnam - qani avel pakas baner chem asel -

knereq sakayn - egoisty t@pavorutyun e tornum dzer grats@ mane inch qez amen inch dhu - qez hamar - et lav chi gone mi shish xmichq dir seranin tnashen. ham datark dzerqov es yekel ham el menak qez es govum qo maisn mtatsum - isk menq - ??? Azat jan 2 shish Noyak@ statsy ir hashvin /

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