GevorgP

Aronian won 4-th game too. Aronian - 3 Kramnik - 1 The last two games will take place tomorrow in Yerevan. You know, Kramnik is current World Chess Champion.

Congratulations! Aronian - 2 Kramnik - 1 4-th game is under way now. Aronian plays with white.

And I will vote for Dashnak party.

Error jan; Ashxarhum hayi hamar amenakarevor barern es asum. Bajts es depq@ urish a. Gar@ iren utog gajli het vonts miabanvi? Hima che, bajts @ntrutjunnerri hajord or@ - Majisi 13-in, ankax drants elqits (ete ham@ ch-hanen), qo u Charents/Njdehi asatsner@ krkin uji mej en mtnum.

"… lead us not into temptation…" and;

RoA now is engaged in National Assembly (parliament) elections. If we are concerned about the parliament quality and want to ensure that RoA future is not trusted to the fake "politicians": businessmen, bandit and Puzaty (Ignorant&haughty) rich, who are rushing to the parliament to secure that no government authority; tax service, courts, etc. would dare to control them and enforce to pay social security, profit and other taxies due to state budget; the only source of the poor pensions and other social assistance funds. After becoming election "winners"; the "internal enemies" would ensure that the laws they pass in the parliament will give them additional privileges in their "business" activities to make them wealthier and the rest of RoA population poorer. In "return" they are giving the poor electors, a miserable amount of money, stolen from RoA budget, as a bribe to be elected. By the way the bribe amount; 10,000 drams, would cover either the poor food expenses at most for 3 days or monthly gas & electricity bills. Next parliament election will be held after 1,825 - 3 days …??? Now it's the right time to stop them and remind that RoA population copes with the economic hardship, because they know that, in current situation, internal political instability will serve Turk/Azeri interests. Most of RoA population is withstanding unbearable living conditions in sake of Artsakh; not to endanger process of gaining Artsakh independence. As bible cites: "... there is time for collecting stone and time for throwing them…". Our nation is keeping the stones to throw at Turks; if needed. Please remember that in 1915 the Zeitun rich Armenians, who didn't give money to our solders/heroes for getting armed and fighting back the Turkish army; have been killed together with their family members. That is they faced the same plight as the poor Armenians and in addition they deserve the damn of AG together with Turks. Decent and Puzaty (Ignorant&haughty) rich Armenians, please first of all, take into consideration Armenian national interests, don't be captives of your wealth; the greediness may bury both: you and your nation. Don't force us to throw the stones on you, instead of using it against murderers of 1,500,000 perished Armenians. Don't add to your milliards some additional millions belonging to the poor Armenians; through "procurement" of parliament member "mandates". In nowadays Armenia most influential political parties, probably except Dashnaks, OEK, HJK and some smaller ones, depend solely on the wealth and/or authority of their leaders, therefore if the leaders/sponsors would leave the parties; they will collapse in no time. They remind me private businesses; where all the workers (party members) are paid by sponsor (party owner) during election period and after that the blue collar ones are terminated for five years and the white collar employee' salaries (bribes) are increased, when they become parliament majority. In contrast: Dashanks proved that it is a viable, political establishment with sound ideology, strategy, tactics and actions that; consistently uphold RoA national interests. With century long performance record, that doesn't show much mistakes and inconsistency. OEK is another option, because it is under attack of ruling parties and politicians; the corrupt. HJK, Jarangutyun and some other small parties are good as well. For me one of the most important features for a real political party is; that their political platform, ideology and actions don't depend solely on their current leader; one individual. And it doesn't look like a private business establishment.

Because the answer is not logical? If someone thinks that 2 times 3 makes 4; he is a pet? Or when someone answering to a post; quotes just one word/sentence out of the whole text and "answers" only to that, because he/she has no answers to the rest of the post, and/or doesn't want to discuss it in order not to accept the true; that contradicts his/her interests. Yet there is good way of doing it; you just express your opinion on the same subject of discussion and let people judge it. This is not good thing to do. Some people are labeling others as idiots, to pose themselves as clever/magnificent. In addition you say: "This place doesn't get pet turks too often"; does this mean that often; it is the case? Don't you think that it is a pet-ty privilege?

Agree! The denial bill first of all will serve Germany national interests. The large Turkish population with such a paramount production (sorry; reproduction) rate is a threat for Germany; some day, soon, it may become Turkish territory. You remember the story when Prime Minister Koll's son wanted to marry a Turkish girl and how German population accepted it. Germany badly needs to stop Turkish "peaceful" intervention and recognizes that one day the story on giving independence to Kosovo, will be repeated with some German lands or even whole country. In this case Germany badly needs some good arguments to prevent the Turkish "invasion". At this point the most justifiable and popular one is AG. This way they will shoot two rabbits using one bullet. 1) World would support it; given current developments. 2) It would enable them legally ban massive Turkish immigration and, in addition, extradite some of Turks; who already are German citizens, preventing disastrous demographic changes. Do we need to set some additional small obstacles for Germany to carry it out, given the 1,500,000 ... are still waiting for the justice? Germans aren't killing Turks; just preventing to lie any more. Let them do it. The AG is obvious fact, nevertheless Turks deny it obsessing whole world with their lies. Germans realize that in future, after becoming majority, the same way, they will rewrite Germany history books, and declare themselves as German aborigines, repeating the Kosovo story. So Germany first of all is promoting its own interest, using AG argument, because currently it is the most justifiable and appropriate one. That's it. So it is useless to convince Germany to change its mind on the issue.

Right! Under current favorable geopolitical situation time for just hoping is over, its time to think about reasonable actions. And because RoA now is engaged in National Assembly (parliament) elections, let me express my opinion; on Dashnak party, you mentioned. By the way, I'm not a member of any political party. In nowadays Armenia most influential political parties, probably except OEK and some smaller ones, depend solely on the wealth and/or authority of their leaders, therefore if the leaders/sponsors will leave the parties; they would collapse in no time. They remind me private businesses; where all the workers (party members) are paid by sponsor (leader) during election period and after that the blue collar ones are terminated and the white collar employee' bribes (salaries) are increased, when they become parliament majority. In contrast Dashanks proved that it is a viable, political establishment with sound ideology, strategy, tactics and actions that; consistently uphold RoA national interests. With century long performance record, that doesn't show much mistakes and inconsistency. For me one of the most important features for a real political party is; that their political platform, ideology and actions don't depend solely on their current leader; one individual. And it doesn't look like a business establishment. GevorgP

To my post below: He answered: Thus he just renamed the 'Sacred Cross" (Surb Khach) Church to Museum, as Erdogan did, and solved the problem through decapitating. And yet you get angry when our forum members protest against it. You call him/them pet! Because his answer is not logical? If someone thinks that 2 times 3 makes 4; he is a pet? Or when someone answering to a post; quotes just one word/sentence out of the whole text and "answers" only to that, because he/she has no answers to the rest of the post, and/or doesn't want to discuss it in order not to accept the true; that contradicts his/her interests. This is not good thing to do. Some people are labeling others as idiots, to pose themselves as clever/magnificent. This is the cheapest way of becoming "wise". Yet there is good way of doing it; you just express your opinion on the same subject of discussion and let people judge it. In addition you say: "This place doesn't get pet turks too often"; does this mean that often; it is the case? Don't label whole country; in every nation, less or more, there are ignorant - like me and wise - like you; who are entitled to distinguish pet and wise. So you proved that you are clever; as opposed to the rest ..... Don't you think that it is a pet-ty privilege, Virginne? As a cleverness test, please express your opinion on the following: Sometimes we, Armenians, think that returning Western Armenia back; is not realistic. And that AG recognition worldwide does not mean anything; it wouldn't have any legal consequences. Nevertheless, I seem, Turks, including Erdogan, don't know that it's wishful thinking. Therefore such a poor country is spending milliards of dollars to prevent AG recognition. Now all their government and parliament are on business trip to different countries worldwide; trying to prevent accepting AG by the countries. What does this mean?

IGNORE HIM! Bill accepted!

Don't speak about it loudly, please. Turks; including Erdogan, don't know that "it's wishful thinking". Therefore such a poor country is spending milliards of dollars to prevent AG recognition. Now all their government and parliament are on business trip to different countries worldwide; trying to prevent accepting AG by the countries. GevorgP

You are right at blaming your leadership: Several years ago Turkey, perhaps, through establishing diplomatic relations with Armenia, could slow down the AG recognition process. At that point they had the best "know-how" and "new" technologies in the population reproduction and lying (in Turkish - diplomacy) "Industries". They thought Turkey can prevent Genocide recognition process even without easing down, a little bit, the pressure exerted on RoA. The hatred against Armenians prevented them to set the "diplomatic trap" for RoA; which could assist them to declare that the Genocide issue is a Turkey – Armenia bilateral problem and only the two countries should discuss and "settle" it during coming "centuries". Thus enabling US president Bush to prevent the AG recognition by USA. Now the best times for the Turkish "diplomacy"(lie) are over. Whole world is obsessed with Turkish lies (as opposed to the Zurderer - quoted above). Turkish politicians/diplomats, recently, in numerous occasions are trying to prevent different country leaders/politicians accepting AG, by lying that it didn't happen, nevertheless their efforts are constantly producing the opposite result. The times when their solders (murders) decapitated millions of disarmed Armenians and churches are over, you know, now we are united and armed. We showed the Turks, in Artsakh, that our ancient nation, with victorious past, fights back enemies every time, when our forces are not divided. Now Armenia doesn't need to establish diplomatic relations with Turkey; nowadays it is almost absolutely isolated politically, and Turks awkwardly are looking for a way to sneak out. Meanwhile Armenia ensured steady economic growth, regardless of Turkey's and TurkeyBaijan's(Azerbaijan) blockade; the worst times for us are over. This is probably the first time; Turkey suffers a prominent crackdown in "diplomacy" (lying) and therefore needs to change its planned tactics. The only thing that can save their territorial "integrity", for a while, is; asking RoA to establish diplomatic (lying less) relations, without the precondition, that RoA will not claim for Western Armenia and, some other territories; de facto included in Turkey. This way you can keep Turkey's territorial "integrity", for a while, otherwise; all the countries that accepted AG will immediately redraw Turkey's map to make the next legal move; de jure returning Armenian territories to Armenians. Thus justice is prevailing, because now it would be favorable for the whole world too, given current geopolitical situation. So when Turks will politely ask for opening borders with Armenia, w/o preconditions (listed above), there is possibility that RoA may agree with it. GevorgP

Հերիք եղավ էս ընտրություններին ես էլ եմ գելերի կողմից: Անցած անգամ իմ գառնուկ ընկերները անցել էին գելերի կողմը ու, գեղամիջում՝ նրանց կողքին կանգնած գառներից մեկը մատով ինձ կանչեց ասելով՝ , ''գառ ջան արի հլը տենամ ու՞մ ես ձենդ տալու'': Ասի - ''դու՞ ով ես - ես մերոնց կողմից եմ'': Ասելս գիտի - կողքի գելերը վրա տվեցին կաշիս մաղ արին՝ չկերան քանի որ ձենս վռազ պետք էր: Էս գելի ''ընկերը'' ընկածս տեղը ոտքը վրես դրեց ասելով՝ ... ''դե գնա իմացի ես ով եմ՝ հետո էլ թե՝ էս տարի գառը 25 000 դրամ արժի փողը կառնես կեթաս էս իմ ընկեր գելին կընտրես՝ թե հանկարծ խաբես՝ մինչեւ հնտրությունները խորովածի մատերյալ կդառնաս: Իսկ թե բախտդ բերի ու մինչեւ մյուս ընտրությունները սոված գելի չհանդիպես՝ ձենիդ համար մյուս անգամ 40 000 դրամ կտանք՝ ''ոչխարն էդ արժի'': Ես էլ հիմի քցե-բռնե ու որոշել եմ էս անգամ գել ընտրել՝ համ 40 000 դրամը կստանամ՝ համ էլ գեղամիջով գելերի հետ ֆռֆռալուց սաղը ինձնից կդողան ու թե որ գելերի աչքն էլ մտնեմ՝ կարող ա էն ոտը փորիս դնող ''օչխըրին'' շուտով գելերի բերանը քցեմ՝ մեկ ա ուշ թե շուտ սաղս էլ ընդեղ ենք ընկնելու: Իմ սիրելի ընկեր գառներ հասկացեք՝ ճիշտը էս ա:

The word "In-dependent" – means state of being in dependency. So "in-dependant"; as opposed to the word IDEPENDENT, you know, has the opposite meaning. As refers to the rest of your post I agree; On our side I don't see much consistent, organized, professional and coordinated effort to confront the Turkish manipulations of Armenia related historical facts, events and their interpretations within Armenian www.hyeform.com website. Therefore sometimes Turks are able to show up their barbarian acts against us, to the rest of world, in a skewed mirror; as an outstanding friendly gesture towards Armenia/Armenians. You are right some of the Turkish guys are attending this forum as regular employees, while we are visiting it and discussing vital issues, casually. Agree!!! It is great mix of ox & moron.

Հերիք եղավ էս ընտրություններին ես էլ եմ գելերի կողմից: Անցած անգամ իմ գառնուկ ընկերները անցել էին գելերի կողմը ու, գեղամիջում՝ նրանց կողքին կանգնած գառներից մեկը մատով ինձ կանչեց ասելով՝ , ''գառ ջան արի հլը տենամ ու՞մ ես ձենդ տալու'': Ասի - ''դու՞ ով ես - ես մերոնց կողմից եմ'': Ասելս գիտի - կողքի գելերը վրա տվեցին կաշիս մաղ արին՝ չկերան քանի որ ձենս վռազ պետք էր: Էս գելի ''ընկերը'' ընկածս տեղը ոտքը վրես դրեց ասելով՝ ... ''դե գնա իմացի ես ով եմ՝ հետո էլ թե՝ էս տարի գառը 25 000 դրամ արժի փողը կառնես կեթաս էս իմ ընկեր գելին կընտրես՝ թե հանկարծ խաբես՝ մինչեւ հնտրությունները խորովածի մատերյալ կդառնաս: Իսկ թե բախտդ բերի ու մինչեւ մյուս ընտրությունները սոված գելի չհանդիպես՝ ձենիդ համար մյուս անգամ 40 000 դրամ կտանք՝ ''ոչխարն էդ արժի'': Ես էլ հիմի քցե-բռնե ու որոշել եմ էս անգամ գել ընտրել՝ համ 40 000 դրամը կստանամ՝ համ էլ գեղամիջով գելերի հետ ֆռֆռալուց սաղը ինձնից կդողան ու թե որ գելերի աչքն էլ մտնեմ՝ կարող ա էն ոտը փորիս դնող ''օչխըրին'' շուտով գելերի բերանը քցեմ՝ մեկ ա ուշ թե շուտ սաղս էլ ընդեղ ենք ընկնելու: Իմ սիրելի ընկեր գառներ հասկացեք՝ ճիշտը էս ա:

Great! You showed up your hatred against me and the rest of Armenians: Because … I wrote in my post; (you quoted it): Turkey's last move to show up the naive Christian democracies worldwide that now they become "civilized" proponents of inter-religious tolerance. Sure they are; but with a "small" exception, Turks think that the churches like Christians/Armenians are safe without their "parts" at the top; that is, as usual, Turks can tolerate only decapitated ones. Turks renovated historical Akhtamar "Sacred Cross" Armenian-Christian Church except the cross at the top; ensuring that in near future, nothing will prevent them to convert it to mosque, as they have done with hundreds of Western Armenia churches. You answered: "Another moron" That is my statement that the churches should have a cross at its top is a silly one for such an intellectual like "you" (it). I guess you are sure that the world considers Turks and their proponents most wise people in the earth therefore the Jews and Armenians are in 2-nd and 3-rd places. So you are not moron, the qualifying word for you is not conceived yet (but still your English is the best among wolves). Zurderer is able to think, and you can write in English his thoughts. Together you can act as one in-dependent forum member. Please give this to Zurderer to read.

Great! You showed up your hatred against me and the rest of Armenians: Because … I wrote in my post; (you quoted it): Turkey's last move to show up the naive Christian democracies worldwide that now they become "civilized" proponents of inter-religious tolerance. Sure they are; but with a "small" exception, Turks think that the churches like Christians/Armenians are safe without their "parts" at the top; that is, as usual, Turks can tolerate only decapitated ones. Turks renovated historical Akhtamar "Sacred Cross" Armenian-Christian Church except the cross at the top; ensuring that in near future, nothing will prevent them to convert it to mosque, as they have done with hundreds of Western Armenia churches. You answered: "Another moron" That is my statement that the churches should have a cross at its top is a silly one for such an intellectual like "you" (it). I guess you are sure that the world considers Turks and their proponents most wise people in the earth therefore the Jews and Armenians are in 2-nd and 3-rd places. So you are not moron, the qualifying word for you is not conceived yet (but still your English is the best among wolves). Note please that the threads, I've made the post, are mine, and they contain discussions relating to the subject of the post. Zurderer is able to think, and you can write in English his thoughts. Together you can act as one in-dependent forum member. Please give this to Zurderer to read.

Turkey "tolerates" historical Christian monuments – churches but; without their crosses. Turkey's last move to show up the naive Christian democracies worldwide that now they become "civilized" proponents of inter-religious tolerance. Sure they are; but with a "small" exception, Turks think that the churches like Christians/Armenians are safe without their "parts" at the top; that is, as usual, Turks can tolerate only decapitated ones. Turks renovated historical Akhtamar 'Sacred Cross" Armenian-Christian Church except the cross at the top; ensuring that in near future, nothing will prevent them to convert it to mosque, as they have done with hundreds of Western Armenia churches. Therefore: RoA delegation must reject Turkey's invitation to take part at the opening ceremony of the Akhtamar 'Sacred Cross" (Surb Khach) Church; because without the cross it is not historical Armenian Church; it is a "poor" candidate of another mosque. Regards, GevorgP

Turkey "tolerates" historical Christian monuments – churches but; without their crosses. Turkey's last move to show up the naive Christian democracies worldwide that now they become "civilized" proponents of inter-religious tolerance. Sure they are; but with a "small" exception, Turks think that the churches like Christians/Armenians are safe without their "parts" at the top; that is, as usual, Turks can tolerate only decapitated ones. Turks renovated historical Akhtamar 'Sacred Cross" Armenian-Christian Church except the cross at the top; ensuring that in near future, nothing will prevent them to convert it to mosque, as they have done with hundreds of Western Armenia churches. Therefore: RoA delegation must reject Turkey's invitation to take part at the opening ceremony of the Akhtamar 'Sacred Cross" (Surb Khach) Church; because without the cross it is not historical Armenian Church; it is a "poor" candidate of another mosque. Regards, GevorgP

Turkey "tolerates" historical Christian monuments – churches but; without their crosses. Turkey's last move to show up the naive Christian democracies worldwide that now they become "civilized" proponents of inter-religious tolerance. Sure they are; but with a "small" exception, Turks think that the churches like Christians/Armenians are safe without their "parts" at the top; that is, as usual, Turks can tolerate decapitated ones. Turks renovated historical Akhtamar 'Sacred Cross" Armenian-Christian Church except the cross at the top; ensuring that in near future, nothing will prevent them to convert it to mosque, as they have done with hundreds of Western Armenia churches. Therefore: RoA delegation must reject Turkey's invitation to take part at the opening ceremony of the Akhtamar 'Sacred Cross" (Surb Khach) Church; because without the cross it is not historical Armenian Church; it is a "poor" candidate of another mosque. Regards, GevorgP

God took him away, to ask some questions about his book. Other denyers should take this into account!

Armenians again took the first place! Corus: Grandmaster Group A # Name Rating Score 1 L. Aronian 2744 8.5 2 V. Topalov 2783 8.5 3 T. Radjabov 2729 8.5 4 V. Kramnik 2766 8 5 V. Anand 2779 7.5 6 P. Svidler 2728 7 7 D. Navara 2719 6.5 8 S. Karjakin 2678 6.5 9 R. Ponomariov 2723 6 10 L. van Wely 2683 5 11 S. Tiviakov 2682 5 12 A. Motylev 2647 5 13 A. Shirov 2715 4.5 14 M. Carlsen 2690 4.5 Armenians you leave no room for pluralism and democracy; the Turks, should also become Champions, because all the nations are equal. Can't you wait for your turn? These are official data, would you agree with that Nairi? Aronian didn't lose any game in this tournament as opposed to the two, and he, in addition, won Radjabov.

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Zartonk, Congratulations, Levon Aronian took first place. RoA is more than Brazil in Chess!