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Hmmm .... I think a post here in Russian would be ok, as your english is not best. Besides this, how exactly is shushi azerbaijani?

Имею полное право не согласиться...))) Но не в этом суть. If that is not the point, why are you bringing this up? What do you hope ot accomplish by saying this on an Armenian forum? I think of Gandzak (That is Gence for you) as an Armenian city, but I do not find Azeri forums and say this there. Why ? I think you know better. Я все таки надеюсь что несмотря на все проблемы конфликт все таки решится мирным путем. Мне очень хочется надеятся что обе стороны во главе с Алиевом и Кочаряном все таки придуд к единому соглаш Welll, I do not know, but as far as I have seen, Ramil Safarov is a reflection of Azeri society as a whole. Levon

Fidan, First of all, I do not see how this posts relates to hte name of Stepanakert, but anyway shall respond. As of historical claims to areas, so what if there was a Khanate in Yerevan? There was an Abbasid Caliphate, Bagratuni Rule, Shaddadid, Seljuq, Georgian, and Ilkhanid, Timurid, Ottoman, otherwise, to name a few dynasties that ruled yerevan, but you know what? Since the days of Urartu, armenians and their ancestors have continually lived here. You may say this, but do not expect to come to an Armenian forum and have people agree with you. Bulgaria cannot be claimed by turkey either, I do not see were you are going with this ... Levon

I ma a bit curious on the Azerbaijani Name of Stepanakert. As we all know the town is named after Stepan Shahumyan, etc .... I am curious, when did Azeris start callin it Xankendi, and why they did not choose a name that is easier to pronounce. It sounds like a Rabbi choking on popcorn, or something else ... I doubt even azeris can pronounce this name with ease ... Levon

Yes, the Turkish fortress is probably a misprint. The only mosque in Yerevan today, is that Persian one, the Blue Mosque. There must have been others in history, the Mosque of Two sultans, Mosque of Geoi(?) There is a whole article on the development of Yerevan in the Aniv magazine issue 1. I reccoment this to read, wonderful pics, reconstruction and maps showing the development of Yerevan. Best, Levon

HI! The Turks held Yerevan twice. The first was during the 16 century as mentioned earlier during war with Safavids, but Safavids regained it. Then, they held it a second time in circa early 18th century, again as a result of war with the Safavids, but I Safavids retook the city again. Here is an example of an Ottoman coin from the second period of occupation struck by the Ottomans in Yerevan. G&M, Auction 143, 12.10.2005: Objekt-Nr.: 5526 Ahmad III., 1115 - 1143 H. (1703-1730). Denomination:Abbasi or Onluk or 10 para, 1115 H. Mzst. Revan (Erevan) 5,53 g. KM. 17 (Armenien). R! Fleck Pat. ss Estimation: € 100,00 / Price realized: € 200,00 (approx. US $241,00 as of the auction date) You can read the mint name in Arabic on the obverse, below the toughra: ﻥ ﺍﻭﺭ "RWAN" = Yerevan

Dear Arpa, Nice of you to bring up this author. Mateos Ourhaietzi is famous for his book History covering the period of 952-1136. Bedoukian cites in his [Mateos'] books were published as early as 1858 and goes to the period of 1898, printed in various places in the world. I wonder, is there a newer version of this, along with a translation in English? Best, Levon

Hmmmm .... This article is just a collection of some common knoweledge on Cilician Armenia. Bedoukian, in his coinage of Cilician Armenia spends a great deal on the history. The history of Cilician Armenia comes from mostly original historic text and some works of Mekhitarists and Victor Langlois. For a good amount of bibliograbhy of Cilician Armenia see the sources Bedoukian provides. Also missed an important historian Smbat, of the 13th century, commander in chief of Armenian forces when a Mamluk invasion was defeated. Non-Armenian sources can sometimes be useful as well. Best, Levon

INteresting site. I actually refrain from coins of the Modern Republic of Armenia because they are simply too expensive. I often find cheaper Cilician coins. Cheapest I have ever paid for a Cilician Armenian coin was $1.50, that less than a cup of coffe! Best, Levon

Thanks. Your site seems to be down. But if you would like to, perhaps I can include coins you have in my page. Soon, I should get other dynasties as well, with inscriptions. Soon, I will include Cilician Armenia, Ildegezids, as well as Artaxiads(If I can find anyone willing to send me scans of their tetradrachms ) Levon

More work has been done: http://armeniannumismatics.cjb.net Best, Levon

BTW Movses, Check out this little site I have started to work on: armeniannumismatics.cjb.net This far I have only started Shaddadid section under coins, and did a mini-forum. Any thoughts, suggestions? Levon

Hi, I am not big on music, but it does take a genius to know they cost a bunch. Interesting though, I did not know the antiquities market was so big in Armenia. For example, I have recently started to shift my collection focus slightly from Cilician Armenia. I chose the Shaddadids of Gandzak as an extension because their coins are little explored, challanging, and are not too expensive. Plus, their issues are very interesting and important example of 11th century Armenian currency. Anyhow, supposedly, most finds are made in Armenia, yet I have been unable to find any good coins for sale from Armenia. Even though I never collected anything before I left Armenia, I do not remeber too many antiquities there, only limited to miscallenia in the Vernisaghe. Best, Levon

Barev Movses! The reason for all those different styles is just the die engraver- human chance. Each engraver did things slightly differently. If you look at the silver drams of Levon I(He struck trams for about 20 years) there are hundreds of cross, fieldmark, inscription and other design varieties. It is pretty much evolution over time and the engravers. Of course, the difference between the mints is much more noticable and significant - Seleucia on the Euprates, Artaxata, Damascus, Tigranakert, etc ... I hope that answers things a bit. Best, Levon P.S. What are your collecting Areas?

Hi All, Here is a special project in the Zeno Oriental Coins Database dedicated to all branches of Armenian Numismatics, fairly comprehensive. I have been doing it for some months now: http://www.zeno.ru/showgallery.php?cat=2602 Also, Dear Dave, On the bilingual coins: There is no evidence that Armenians were allied with the Seljuqs of Rum. These coins remain one of the mysteries of Armenian Numismatics. THere are some theories regarding their issues: 1. The coins were isuued as a token of nominal acceptance of vassalage ot the Seljuqs. 2. Issued to commemorate a treaty between the Armenians and the Seljuq turks. 3. Issued for trade with the seljuqs. Not much can be said in regards to these. THe message in the coin in no way mentions any vassalage. To examine the coin: Obv. The legend on it is: +ՀԵԹՈՒՄ ԹԱԳԱՒՈՐ ՀԱՅՈՑ which is a standart inscription. The horseman is derived from the coppers of earlier seljuq sultans, with some changes, including a cross inthe field. Rev. Cites the sultan and his titles, but does not mention any vassalage or cite caliph: A three line inscription, and then a counterclockwise surrounding inscription on three sides (Both in Arabic) inside a dotted border: ﻢﻈﻋﻻﺍ ﻥﺎﻄﻠﺴﻟﺍ ﻦﻳﺪﻟﺍﻭ ﺎﻴﻧﺪﻟﺍﺙﺎﻴﻏ ﺩﺎﺒﻘﻴﻛ ﻦﺑ ﻭﺮﺴﺨﻴﻛ (The Sublime Sultan | Protector of the World and Faith | Kaikhusrew Son of Kaiqobad). ﻭ ﻊﺒﺳ ﺔﻨﺳ ﺲﻴﺴﺑ ﺏﺮﺿ ﻦﻴﺜﻼﺛ ﺔﺋﺎﻤﺘﺳ ﻭ ( Struck in the City of Sis, in the Year Seven and | Thirty | and Six Hundred). A.H. 637 = 1239 A.D. There was really no anti islamic or anti-crusader stances. Only states competing against each other, both Christian and Moslem, at various times, with the situation allied each other. As for mongols, they were very friendly with the christians, and their arrival helped Cilican Armenia, because they destroyed the Sultanate of Rum, and thus defeated on of two main foes of Cilician Armenia, the other being the Mamluks. And, the mongols even struck coins bearing Armenian Legends: http://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=19716&cat=2888&page=1 And here is an example of the bilingual type I have: Best, Levon