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Good point, but the real freedom ideology I think is more American than European, but it doesn't matter... Lets just stop this topic, I have found out what I needed to know, I am satisfied... We are all probably right in certain respect...

So just Like I have been saying, the Proto-Europeans came from Africa, why designate the term Caucasian, and call it a white race? It is a known fact, when those people were in Africa, they did not posess white skin until they have evolved in the European climate! My theory is, Europeans are racist and they want their opinions to be more dominant than other people's...

So we have finally come to a conclusion after all this time... Armenians are geographically and culturally middle eastern, but with western orientation, which they very are proud of... Finally Phantom, thank you for your dead-on explanation... I am glad for this lengthly topic to end!

Well said! I wish more people had the mentality to explain it as well as you have... Instead of arguing...

I agree, but the fact that people still look at each other as being racially different, creates a problem not a solution, so we either abolish the idea of different races, or correctly categorize people without bias motives such as modern racial categories present these days, where a person of mixed race is labeled as white/caucasian by the western minds...

I completely agree!

The correct way to interpret that, is to say that Armenians are thriving towards the western ideology not spacifically European, because the first nation in the west to adopt "freedom" and "open-minded" ideas was America when they wanted more freedom from Europe... You are wrong in terms of "Europe being an Ideology", it is a region/a geographical term. What you are describing is the western Ideology... Many Asian countries practice the same ideology, without the claim of being European!

He came here to critisize my topic! Every body has the right to come here, but PLEASE dont waste my time on useless remarks... Anyways, I did not insult him, he still has the right to post his opinion just like any other member, but post an opinion which is intelectually coherent to this topic, instead of being critical and full of assumptions of what my motives may be... Just as I have respect for every member, I expect others to have respect for me...

Why do you claim/attribute modern culture and the ideology of freedom to Europe, when the first place to practice such ideology was AMERICA, not Europe... So it is more correct to describe Armenian and other modern day open-minded cultures as Western and not primarily European... I disagree, MOST Armenians are darker rather than lighter skin, and are just as dark and sometimes even darker than Spaniards, Italians, and Greeks, and I already mentioned that the reason for darker skin in Spain,Italy and Greece is due to the colonization and contact with the North African and Middle Eastern regions... I never said that skin color was the reason for Armenians not being European, it is the geographical factor... Australian culture is western by modern standards, but for the record, no one considers or even calls Australia a European country, even though the population is mostly of European descent...

I agree that no race is better than any other... The reason why I started with these topics is because I am tired of Armenian people disguising themselves in America and Europe, to be European, falsifying that Armenia is in Europe... I am sick and tired of Armenians trying to disconnect themselves from the rest of the middle eastern people... I am not starting a new thread to gain support, I started this spacific topic to break away from the issues in my other thread such as race... Because I did not receive any explanations as to why Armenian people consider their culture to be European, that is all... "Europe" in its purest form is nothing more than a region which was created by ethnically/culturally political and physically geographical borders...

MUSIC "Folk music is still very much alive in Armenia and in the diaspora. Armenian music in its authentic, unadulterated form belongs to the Middle Eastern tradition". (zurna,davul,dhol,doumbek,santur,kemenche,tar,oud, kanoon, saz, etc)... http://www.geocities.com/tomzara/tai.htm FOOD Shish kebab, lavash, kofta, pilaf, matnakash, tabouleh, etc... CUSTOMS Tradition of rug making (mostly middle eastern), the use of henna with the wedding ceremonies (middle eastern), traditional clothes (middle eastern to a certain degree), traditional dances (middle eastern to a certain degree)... ANCIENT ARMENIAN CULTURE Armenians worshiped Assyrian and Zoroastrian gods in the pre-christian era... (Khaldi,Tesiheba, Shivini, Khutuini, Turani, Ua, Nalaini, Shebitu, Arsimela, Anapsha, Mihr, Astghik, Vahagn, Tir, and Anahit) Armenian culture strongly resembled the pre-islamic Persia... Even now Armenian culture is the closest to Persian, without Islam of course...

I will not move on untill the people who claim Armenia to be culturally European, explain their reasoning for such statements! This topic has nothing to do with the race issue...

Lately I have been hearing a lot of Armenian people on this forum depicting Armenia to be a European country and its culture as European... I still cant understand why people ignore facts so here is a little information on this matter... Lonely Planet website states the following: "If you're unsure what the flavour of southwest Asia is, a quick look around Yerevan will tell you it's Middle Eastern, albeit Middle Eastern without mosques and Islam". http://webcenter.travel.aol.com/travel/lon...ia/culture.html Although "Lonely Planet" recognizes the correct geographical area of Armenia (Southwest Asia), with much ignorance they still list it as part of Europe... I believe that in certain areas, America, though being an Industrial giant, lacks much education, or atleast the common Americans do...

The reason why I chose to say "so called caucasian race" is because it is a theory, anthropologists dont know for sure where the race comes from, and the reason why they chose the Caucus region is only because of the bible depicting mountain Ararat as the cradle of civilization... http://www.answers.com/topic/caucasian-race-1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race The reason why I talk about race is because its the unknown ancient history that mankind tries to puzzle together, thus very interesting to many people, not just me... dear VAVA, please dont come to this topic to attack an open-minded discussion, I already mentioned that you are wasting your time, so dont bother coming back to this topic, your words show offensiveness with much ignorance!

Well, they look to be African in their origin, but it is very interesting to note that a lot of them have kinky/curly blond/red hair, but all other features are African, including their black skin, wide nose, thick lips, high cheek bones, etc... For some unknown reason the anthropologists categorize them in the so called "caucasian" race... My personal belief concludes them to be a mixed race... MULTI-RACIAL, White/Black... They cannot be categorized in just one race, they are both!