LISA

You know Henry, I was thinking, it doesn't matter where you guys go no your date... if you click then you will have fun doing just nothing... Keep us posted and you have got the right idea,, ,stay away from those people that complain too much... They are the real 'barabs'. LOL!!!

Hugs!!!! Big Hugs!!!!

quote:Originally posted by hasmiek: _i meant wow as in artur treating women and men as equals- Understood. It is great to know we are amongst people who can think with an unbias mind. Thanks!

Wow excellent!!! That is great!!!

quote:Originally posted by henry: Lisa is Greeeeeeeeeeeeeat. Yes you lisa - your sweet and thanks for all the compliments. But I am more into latin type of music and dance. Latin dancing requires more coordination than the Travolta moves. I love latino music but confess I have no idea what I'm doing and neither do many of my friends which is good so I won't get singled out. haha Henry, you know most girls love guys that can dance. You don't need any advice... You're dancing will lead the wayyyyyyy!!!!!!

quote:Originally posted by hasmiek: wow! Why wow? Do you not find it disgraceful? Regardless of gender it is a disgrace.

quote:Originally posted by Azat: Once again henry I have he answer to this question as well. Do NOT tell them that you know a guy named Azat or it will be your last date. (I am not sure if I should be happy or sad about that) Hey Lis why are you sending Henry to AGBU dances? Aren't those dances where Armenian guys stand by the walls and talk togethere while all the girls dance alone? HAHA Funny!!! Our Henry though will be lighting up the dance floor with his moves and he will have all the ladies around him. A ratio he will throughly enjoy!!! Go Henry!!!!!

quote:Originally posted by Juggernaut: mmm, this thread has exploded, I have only skimmed through the posts, but I have read Arturians posts before and my views (on this matter) are similar to his.....keep up the good work Artur I agree. Thank you Artur for your replies!

Just have fun and above all 'be yourself'!

quote:Originally posted by ARTURian: Lisa, first of all my wife would never cheat, it is something not even imaginable. I don't know how it is in your families but in ours women don't cheat. If you ask question then adress it as for general matter. Answer: If woman cheats on her man, it is impossible to forgive. It is something regarded as unforgivable. If woman cheats and they are, let say, married but there are no kids yet, i think the best sollution is to send her back to her parents. Disrace is upon her and her parents. That would make no sence if you continue to leave with this type of woman. If there are kids, that would make it more complecated. Regards. [ February 10, 2002: Message edited by: ARTURian ] Thank you Artur for the response.. Simply to reiterate, I did ask you to entertain the notion *hypothetically* and never suggested your wife would do such a thing. Do you likewise find it disgraceful if a man cheats in the exact same scenario where there are no children involved? Thanks again...

quote:Originally posted by MosJan: ARMENIAN BOXING SUFFERS LOSSES YEREVAN, NOVEMBER 16, ARMENPRESS Armenian boxing loses its best sportsmen. Arthur Gevorgian (in 63.5 kg weight category) has left for the USA to take part in the competitions in the professional ring. Earlier another leading Armenian boxer Vakhtang Darchinian (in 51 kg weight category) started his professional career in Sidney. There is no loss to contend there. Hopefully these guys will go on to make names for themselves like Kosta Tszyue who left Russia and is now Champion!!! We've got Grigorian, protected by Universum the WBO champ, although undefeated from Germany but really he hasn't tested himself and fought in the US where the real competition is.

Great thanks for the input, but,,, what I was asking Artur to respond to is if your wife cheats on you and you both do not have children what would be your resolve,, That would be great likewise if you chose to answer while we wait for Artur's response.

Arthur, the question remains unanswered. "I address you to respond,,if your woman cheats on you in wedlock, which correct me if i'm not mistaken, adultery is a *sin*, you would forgive her and stay??? ***(entertain the notion providing there are no kids involved)" Note where it reads the scenario I am asking you opinion on does not involve children. What would be your resolve?

quote:Originally posted by nellie: henry, don't believe people when they say there's no more nice armenian girls, that bull. there's lots of nice gals out there. go to glendale college, or one of the universities w/large armenian pop'n--UCLA, cal states northridge and LA. anyways, i wish u good luck buddy. Good attitude! I feel the same way. Ever race has it's bad apples. There is one out there for you Henry! Sometimes what is more difficult to find is worth that much more. "what we obtain too easily we esteem too lightly and has little value" All the best to you!

Artur, Here is the question I addressed you with. Please note forum members that it is not offensive, does not contain profanity, and nowhere am I putting words in his mouth. However, I am asking for his opinion on a topic he has been *opinionated* about. The said post below in bold, Granted, where kids are involved it throws another variable into the equation. That is a given and another discussion altoghter. IMO. I address you to respond,,if your woman cheats on you in wedlock, which correct me if i'm not mistaken, adultery is a *sin*, you would forgive her and stay??? (entertain the notion providing there are no kids involved) I realize much of this is subjective. I also realize that the lifestyles are different where you are from and where we are from. I apologize for previously coming accross abruptly. *Note* It is inconsequential whether you are married with kids right now as this is a hypothetical question. It is also intresting to note that you have strong oppinions on the matter but refute entertaining the situation in the 1st person, you, which further takes validity away from your thoughts on the matter. *I* gave an honest answer wherby I do not tolerate cheating. Thats just me. You responded with your opinion *on my feelings* but likewise I am now addressing you kindly. Can any of the other male forum members give me their opinion on the matter???? You perviously stated you find armenian women that stay with men that cheat powerful and such... Is it safe to conclude that you would forgive your wife and dismiss and move forward from the indecency??? (again providing there are no children invoved in the said occurence of adultery) I would much rather you address this than draw conclusions from your previous thoughts on the matter. Certainly to debate one must be able to more than just judge others. [ February 07, 2002: Message edited by: LISA ]

Oh, you are *trying* to put words in my mouth. Who is being offensive. I simply and VERY POLITELY asked you to address a question. A question which asks for your opinion. You have alot of opinion on the matter. Well now I ask you *politely* to put the shoe on the other foot. See if it fits. Nothing I stated was 'offensive'. I was simply apologizing if you received them *abruptly* but they are NOT offensive. I am not an offensive person but I also employ the policy, "be true to yourself." Artur are you ducking my question? Please address!!! I am curious to your response.

http://www.ayf.org/ and http://www.agbu.org/ Here ya go my friend. I am not sure whats down with the West Coast. The East Coast AYF puts on really great parties! Find out the closest AGBU chapter in your area. Honestly, I would go and check it out. Usually there are sports teams as well to join that are alot of fun. From there you make friends and meet lots of great people! Armenians rule!!!

quote:Originally posted by Harut: @h@@@@@. that's it. Henry + Lisa = the topic is closed. the two can stay, the rest of you just leave. gyoz dneln el arqelvum a. HAHA, Ok, first day and I've already met my sweety! LOL! j/k You guys are funny! Where is my favorite buddy from Britain. My sister Kazza?

Where are the questions? Most of what you stated anyone with common sense would be able to conclude, though some of it subjective where revenge and driving above the speed limit is concerned. A mother and father disciplining their child is not evil and likewise taking them for vaccine is not evil. On the flip side, a father and mother *abusing* their child where their is no ground for such is evil. Hence the term *child abuse*. I did not find anything to misconstrue. Hmmm, yeah, prisons are usually packed with evil people who are often given a chance to redeem themselves in society. Again obvious, unless someone innocent got thrown in their as a result of 'being in the wrong place at the wrong time.' Big ouch! The law says you can't drive 65 mph. Obviously speeding is not immoral. Go for it but don't cry the blues if you get nailed with a ticket. *Irresponsible*. Drinking and driving. Again employ some common sense. Not evil but irresponsible. Should your irresponsibility cause you hurt an an innocent victim you will be dealt with just punishment. Retribution of a raped family victim. There is something you will find many different opinions on. Did you guys see that movie "A time to Kill" with Samuel L.Jackson?Excellent Movie. Its based on just that. Retribution is not evil but driven by hate/hurt/pain. What I concluded from Henry's post is to esteem to be around good people with good values. [ February 07, 2002: Message edited by: LISA ]

quote:Originally posted by henry: Hi Lisa, i am armenian and I love armenians(I say lets group hug). I am also cute and very energetic -lol, okay jokes aside. I 've never heard of AGBU, AYF, or TASHI functions, and i am still trying to find the girls hang out places (if there is any). P.S> did i mention i am cute? ;oP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- haha, good for you cutey!!! I like that. Group hug. We are all brothers and sisters!!! ARMENIANS ARE THE BEST!!! You haven't. Well, lets put it this way, I went to one of these gatherings with my odar friend and she had such a great time she is going this year too. Her words, "I love Armenians." and also, "they party like no other culture." I'm out the door now but will post a link for you if I can get back on here tonight or tommarrow morning.

ps. that website is ofcourse subjective thoughts from you as to what *you* think (opinion) think makes an armenian woman.

quote:Originally posted by henry: Let me write this in a way that everyone can understand. It doesn't matter where u from, how you present yourself, what job you have and what background you have; but what really matters is where you stand as an individual in this world, who lives a clean life and respects those who don't praise evil. Excellent! I perceive this as, "be true to yourself and no one can buy your pride or self respect."

Granted, where kids are involved it throws another variable into the equation. That is a given and another discussion altoghter. IMO. I address you to respond,,if your woman cheats on you in wedlock, which correct me if i'm not mistaken, adultery is a *sin*, you would forgive her and stay??? (entertain the notion providing there are no kids involved) I realize much of this is subjective. I also realize that the lifestyles are different where you are from and where we are from. I apologize for previously coming accross abruptly. [ February 07, 2002: Message edited by: LISA ]

Only an very INSECURE worthles woman with NO SELFESTEEM and NO PRIDE will stay with a man that has cheated on her!!! Men that cheat are worthless anyhow. Cheating is a sign of weakmindedness. Comparing prostitues to women who have had previous relationships is the silliest thing I have ever heard. While I don't think highly of either gender sleeping around, I think that is just a very juvinille and immature thing to say. I can't even credit any thought going in to it. Let the debates begin!!!

quote:Originally posted by hasmiek: in some older cultures people would have sex before marriage, and get married when the woman was pregnant....so the man could be more sure that he would have an offspring. [this puts the women in a not so pretty place if she (or he) is unfertile, but still...] but of course our armenian ubermensch finds that disgusting... you are lucky that still find you a young and naivi boy; I don't take your remarks personally. If you so much believe in God, you show show more respect to people, after all that's what God is mostly about. or even the the problem can be on the male's end. Nonetheless a silly tradition.