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Armenoids are about 25% of the population of Serbia, 75% population of western Armenians, 50% of Armenia, 15% in Greeks (not counting Dinars), 65% in Turks, and some in Syrians, Kurds, Sicilians, French, British and Irish. European does not mean anything. Armenoids were a race, like the Nordics. Jews are usually a Armenoid/Orientalid/Nordic race...but thats not really a race, and theyre not really a particular anything, most are nordic nowadays, or extreme orientalids, one or the other. Armenians from Armenia are not Europeans, not by a long shot, not phoenotypically. Armen comes from the Armens of present day Macedonia, who spread in through Phyrgia (both sides of Bolis) into the land of the Urartus (a mediterannean people of indo european language), and conquered them. Later the ARMENS became myths as one of Jasons Arganauts was Armenos and created Armenia, which as much myth as Hayk and his destroying of the Babylonians (who never inhabited the plateu of Armenia, rather the southern most regions of the Armenian empire that did not become united with the other Armenians untill Dikrans Empire.

WHO CARES?!!! YOUR NOT RUSSIANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Armenians amongst the most ancient peoples in the world. We have sufferend thoulsands of years of persecution and still managed to maintain our identity and culture, as well as some of our lands. This post is for Iconographics representations of the Armenian people. post away! http://acrylic.freeservers.com/shants/historical%20armenia%20large.gif http://acrylic.freeservers.com/shants/taraz5.jpg http://acrylic.freeservers.com/shants/taraz6.jpg http://acrylic.freeservers.com/shants/VARTANPOST.jpg

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Central Asia + Caucasian Armenia = Both examples of mongolized regions, central asia was once too an indo-european inhabited land my friend. Turkmens were once SARMATIANS, not basically half mongols. The world renound Armenian university was in present day Mersin(Im pretty sure, but sure it was in that regoin). It was a international university. I dont see many English people traveling to post soviet hayasdan for an education. During WWI many German, Polish, Serbian and Lebanese people went to that university. Stormy if you had actually opened a geonology or history book you'd know that Turk came before ALTAI (a region claimed by the Uggrics and Hunnic tribes of western mongolia), who then split off from the Uggrics and claimed ALTAI...or INDEPENDENCE. The word MONGOLIAN, comes from the western description of all asians as "mongolian-like". The Asians came from Turks.

Im sorry to say that evern that half jew is even of turkish armenian lineage......as goes goes KHATCHATURIAN, not khatchaturyan....perhaps your greatest musical productions would be Aram Assatryan and his hyperbracheocephalic Harem band, Armenchikhan, Andy the Mongrel.....and much much more! pssht, give me a break, your culture is an embarassment to me and to human existance as a whole

World CHess CHampion? That DNA mixture was HALF JEWISH, composers? Western Armenia had thoulsands, and was home to the first Armenian University. The Hittites were ARMENOID, and NORDIDS, I dont knot what history book your pulling that crap out of, but it sounds like youve been reading Heman novels too much. The semites had just barely began to rise north of babylonia at the fall of the hitite empire, and settled in the lands now know as URARTU and HAYASDAN, ASSYRIA ALTAIC means TURK...it is between mongolia and kazakstan, and home to the first mongoloid. Stormy did you think you proved me wrong about anything? Nope...The evidence is clear. your people are mongrels......Just compare them...you dont even have to read history books..look at them, your Armenians are a clear indication of a mongoloid strain in a swarthy group of Armenians... Edited by Sasun

http://www.racearchives.com/calc/haplo_pro...asianhaplotypes Armenians from Armenia distance from Central Asians...not that far. in fact the closest. The Western Armenians suffered GENOCIDE, that means people get raped then soon after killed , the Eastern Armenian suffered Turkifications (settlements by Turks) in all aspects of Armenian history. During the Persian Domination of the Sumarkhands , ofShiraz, and of Tehran, to the Mongol settlements of Vartans times, and to the intermingling of caucasics (uzleri, dage, abkhaz, bulgars, albans, azeris, bashkiri, tartari) into the eastern, most specifically in caucasic mingling, modern day Armenia inhabitting Armenians. These physical characteristics are absent in the Western Armenians (who were tested in several regions of the middle east and europe for mongoloid traits), in contrast with the armenians from armenia or iran, who had a percentage of 5-7% mongoloid dna ovelapse. Perhaps a good example of this extreme Turkification is evident in Eastern Armenians being darker in pigmentation (black hair, sometimes yellow/dark olive/ brown skin), Turkic facial features, and Turkish musical/cultural influences. however they are nothing shorter of an Armenian than an Armenian of the West. I think both should be preserved and not mingled. When i say "TURK", i dont mean the TURK of modern Anatolia, but the Turkic, Hunnic, Uggric tribes of the regions of North Central Asia, Modern Day Russia, Finnland and Mongolia.

ArmenSarq, I think your inability to properly grasp the English language has caused for some misunderstandings "Sounds like Intanbul University again. Everybody knows that "Armenia" and its king Ervand were at least mentioned in 6th century BC by Darius I. At that time Armenia's capital was Ervandashat (Ararat valley)." what i meant by real Armenia, was the unification of all the "Armenian" states, Istanbul University makes claims for a reason, its a University...much of the historical claims they make are true (with acception to giving credit to Modern Day Armenians.......stealing our damn identity) i never said the Greeks were not Greeks, the modern Macedonians Former Yugoslavian Republic of.. (slavic Serbs, with remnants of Ottoman empire, Turkish and Albanian minorities) are whome i were reffering to, yet Macedonia existed at a time where the word "greek" or "armenia" did not. I never said the macedonians were not ethnic "mediterannean greek" or greeks of today not greek I was using hittites as a way of showing you that, since you beleive in a single armenian nation, that the hittites (what i consider ancient armenian lineage) inhabitted those western armenian lands I was telling you about, and more. when there was hittites, there was no Armenia, however the hittites became ARMENIANS, and the lands will forever be ARMENIAN... BTW artaxata is in fact a river, but i was misinformed it does not come in from georgia, but in hamsheci turkey (it was obviously named after the Artaxata on the ARAXES river) also that Malatya, Aleppo, Katal Huyuk, Konya, modern day Ankara, Antalya, were all Hittite cities...the hittites are in my eyes the western armenians, and urartus the eastern...but intermingling obviously gave both to each

Cappadocia, Pontus, Galatia, Cilica, etc are all Armenian states (governed by Rome) by Armenian princes, at one point in time Galatia suffered racial persecution by Greeks and Armenians.

Heres some maps for you to look at: Armenian Genocide based on population in regions http://www.gomidas.org/images/khanzadian_450.jpg Wilsons Treaty http://people.bu.edu/kaz/heenhayastan.jpg Cilicia http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:pkb1...CCiliciaMap.jpg http://perso.club-internet.fr/ddersark/pictures/map2.jpg http://www.cilicia.com/pics/maps/genocide-...quartersize.gif http://member.nifty.ne.jp/armenahit/northeast.gif

Artaxata is a River that runs in from Georgia. You have to remember there was no real Armenia untill the time of Dikran, when most of these lands where indeed Armenian. When I say Armenian, Im talking about all these different people that evolved into one, as well as into Turks of Turkey. Pontus, Cilicia, were in fact Armenia, during tigranes time, previous to that, if you even consider Hittites your ancestors, all the regions I mentioned were under hittite control. If you consider Armenians, something other then Armens, like Hays? From Hayastan (Eastern Biainili Urartus/Semetic Assyroids) then yes, they are not Hays. There are a people called Galac who speak a language that is half Armenian and half galatian, the armenian word BROTHER comes from the galatian ELBAYRUS or ELBAYR (in my SN) translated to the rough armenian EKHPAIR , where l = kh Just as Macedonia was never "Greece", it has always remained a Greek state, untill present slavic/turkic inhabitants. so are you to tell me cypriots are not greek because it is far from the state of Greece? The nations borders to not divide the people, is it the culture that makes a people. Hence why im NATIONALISTIC, and not POLITICALLY interested

I also forgot the Dynars (no not Dinarics), ethnically ARMENOID, in western turkey The Mevedli (north west Turkey) ethnically meditarannean, linguistically un-classified, previously KIRAKOI SAI POLIS, in Byzantine (last written documentation of them) Sarekamis and Kars (both western), Van was more the meeting place of all Armenian Types, those who extended to Persia for trade and work, and those who absorbed caucasian/turkic tribes in the north such as Bulgars, Albans, Irjeks, Turcmens, Huns and Dengiz Lazes (deniz = uggro-finnic like Bulgars and Finns) settling in north eastern lazestan, today georgia

um is it ht14? i dont know , educate me...

The Traditional Western Armenian States (now in Turkey/Syria) is as follows, as well as Armenian minorities(racial minorities), Cilicia/Giligia, who are seperated from western and eastern by Musa Dagh: Kessablanca (kessab), Aleppo, Mut, Anamur, Antyochia, Kilis, Antalya ancient hittite coastal regions Artaxata, and Kharpert, Moosh (north of tigranagert) Artvin and Pontus (lazestan) Caesarian (gazar) and Malatian, Sivas, Gatal Huyuk , Mersin, Haran Amasya, Samsum, Karabuk, Giresin, Zonguldak (Bythanos Asia) Galatia, and the Celtic Galatians (seperate from armenians, yet religiously armenian) as for minorities The Galac (galatia), from the celtic islands, brunne/faelid, 75% reside in Yugoslavia The Hamsheci (Hameli) of Noric Meditarannean ancestry, in the Laz/pontic regions of Turkey, most of whome speak Hamsheci (an Armenian disguised as Turkish), written and spoken like turkish, most of whome are orthodox, some muslim, to evade Turkish attrocities. The Laz, also Armenian entity, essentially Hamshecis The Gughoy: ostrogothic settlements in central Armenia dating post-hunnic invasions, near regions of Sivas, east of Galacia The list goes on