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We are not assuming cultures must be fundamentally defined by race and ethnicity. I think you are making that assumption that I am assuming such a thing. However, I don't know whether you are intentionally being obtuse to have something to argue with or it's attributable your ignroance. What cultural anthropologists and others say about culture is irrelevant, after all, the field lacks any and all credibility anyway since it is the product of none other than an egalitarian Jew by the name of Franz Boas. In the pliable and relative way of all things cultural, anything can be "culture", from picking the nose culture, to feet fetishists culture, to dog walking culture, to the god damned AIDS walk culture. But I ask, so what? And who cares? That is not the point. The point here is that you along with other emotional egalitarians like to make spurious analogies between homosexuality and fixed identities such as race or ethnicity. That is where the logical error falls and which you choose to accept but rather dodge and evade. Who said anything about a "big hoax" and homosexuality being "somehow less real than heterosexuality"? And where do you get these supposed positions which you attribute to me? You are not familiar with logical arguments it seems and must compensate for that gap by making things up. It seems in your crusade of trying to point out my assumptions, you yourself have created your own web of assumptions and are thus now guilty of the same thing you accuse of others. Half-white, half-black, half-Asian, it doesn't matter. Homosexuality revolves around behavioral issues. These are mixed races, and that is their category. That is the way it goes I cannot change it, nor can they. The same cannot be said about a sexual behavior. I never defined culture as 'ethnicity/race'. You just did that. I merely used it as a yardstick of measure because it was homosexual proponents such as yourself and nairi, and many other emotional egalitarians who have repeated the same silly nonsense of comparing homosexual behavior to fixed identities that people cannot change, such as their race. And while we are on the topic of race, all races produce different cultures, and that is the way it goes. Cultures cannot produce races, contrary to post-modern think. In order for there to be any culture, there must first be an individual and a people, and individuals and peoples vary across the board over the world in different races (Oh no! Someone mentioned race! The horror!). Last I checked, women have no control over being women. Therefore again, this goes back to the point about how you cannot compare a behavioral phenomenan and impulse to fixed identities that cannot be altered and then argue for rights for people who engage in a certain behavior on the basis that they are "oppressed". This is the eternal thorn on the hairy back of the homosexual agenda. Maybe because man's inclination is to naturally attribute homosexuality with male driven impulses, is why he would address it that way, than refer to lesbians. Lesbians have never really been a thorny issue in the male dominated cultures, whom I reckon got off on a case of a few ravishing chicks getting it on. Again, a behavioral phenomenon at play. This was before the time of the "butch", which is entirely a modern concoction. Wow, thank you for putting it in such a nutshell for us ignorant folk to understand. If you had not stated, "This is the basic thing" I certainly would not have understand any of this. Gays/lesbians/etc., have not been any more or any less marginalized in society than 2000 years ago. If it were up to people like you, you would create nothing more and nothing less than a boring and banal liberal utopia of tolerance full of tolerant automatons where every form of absurdity and oddity is 'tolerated'. You keep spouting unsubstantiated assertions about "rights" and about behavior people cannot control as if we are slaves to our impulses and nevermind that the case of genetic predisposition of homosexuality is anything but full proof. Nor have the issues of people who continuously experiment, change around, or play with different sexual partners and sexualities, i.e. bisexuals, have been put to rest, nor how in prisons homosexuality is rampant, for surely not all these poor ole felons did not come to prison as homosexuals. Emotional liberals such as yourself and nairi would make it seem as if homosexuals are in their very own Darfur here in America. Get over it and yourselves. Wooooow, you are like soooo cultured, tolerant, understanding and sensitive. A truly progressive thinker! The new Egalitarian man! The envy of women and men all over! Woe is me and those like me!

This is irrelevant and purely an illusory statement. Whether or not one "invented" the other has no bearing and furthermore, misses the point. Regardless of that, you are just admitting to the concept homosexuality as an invention. And regardless of what Foucault's philosophy helped usher, it is irrelevant. The relevant point from that is Foucault himself acknowledged that homosexuality was just a behavior, or a tendency that was now acquiring proportions of a 'fixed identity.' You are again missing the point and you have not yet addressed how homosexuality, which is a behavior is on the same plane as race and ethnicity. There is to this day no conclusive evidence of homosexuality being an entirely genetic phenomenon. In fact, there is alot of evidence that would tend to suggest that even if there is some predisposition, nurture, life experience, different influences, can have an impact on a being. Because you haven't is irrelevant. This isn't about "nairisexuality". How then do you explain bisexuals? Or how about prisons where people engage in homosexuality? Are all these felons in the prison system somehow gay or does something else trigger it? Stop being intentionally obtuse.

This is a silly line of reasoning. How many times are we going to here these illogical and erroneous analogies between homosexuality and races and ethnics. Suggesting that gay "subculture" is the same as the Armenian culture in that they "invent it" lacks any and all morsel of reason. Just what "culture" do gays invent? The culture of hairstylists? That's silly. The error in such reasoning and judgment is only attributable to emotional liberals and egalitarians who, in the haze of things, do not pause and reflect on the absurdity of such a proposition. They do not stop to think that homosexuality is primarily defined as a behavior, or an act of engaging in sexual behaviors with someone of the same sex. There is no reason to compare what it is at its root, a ehavior, on par with racial or ethnic identity. This reasoning ignores the fact that homosexuality is a phenonemon that has occurred for time immemorial across different boundaries and it is a behavior that is found across races, peoples and ethnicities, not as an unalterable identity that is fixed, such as someone's racial or ethnic identity. In other words, there are homosexuals who are Armenian, French, Mexican, white, black, Oriental. Homosexual behavior on the other hand is very vague and nebulous by those who engage in it. One minute they are gay, another minute they are bisexual. There is no reason to attribute it as some sort of a fixed identity when it is merely a behavior preference. I would imagine you could have squeezed that melon of a head of yours to produce a better insult than this. This is patently obvious to anyone who watches television or reads newspapers, and hence it goes back to what I was saying about homosexuality being promoted from every orifice of communication. What this reminds me of is that adage homosexuals like to throw out, namely how everyone is gay but they just 'dont know it'. Be that as it may, in The History of Sexuality Foucault, himself a homosexual, identified homosexuality as a modern invention, i.e. the idea of homosexuality as a group in itself that is somehow distinct and conscious of itself. Prior to that there was never a question of whether homosexuality is a function of genetics or choice, etc. It was simply not seen as being a fundamental part of the person, but instead as an action, a tendency, a behavior, something the person engaged in. Only in modernity has it become part of identity politics. Even among the Greeks, where modern supporters of homosexual rights like to point, society was not what they make it out to be. In Greece men were fully allowed to engage in relationships with other men, provided that they eventually married. The Greeks understood a distinction between something one did as in a behavior, and an institution of civilization as in marriage. In Foucault's words: "Homosexuality appears as one of the forms of sexuality when it was transposed from the practice of sodomy onto a kind of interior androgyny, a hermaphroditism of the soul. The sodomite had been a temporary aberration; the homosexual was now a species." So the same post-modernists who were not hesitant to have created the politics of the left's identity politics to class homosexuality as a distinct identity, i.e. an alternative lifestyle, are also many of the vaunted experts who say how anyone can be a homosexual depending on who you ask and how you float on the Kinsey scale, and the very word itself is as elastic as a rubber band.

Well, ain't that a tragedy!

Thanks folks. So I'm 25. And since men mostly live to be around roughly 75 (if lucky enough), a third of my life has gone.

Um, you must be inverted. If he is an Armenian musulman, then oxymoron just got a whole new meaning. And you know what? I am not a church goer and never claimed to be. My stance on religions are kind of like buffets, take what you want from them but otherwise don't committ yourself to them. However, with Christianity, I do proclaim myself as a Christian because it has been woven into the Armenian cultural fabric and it is more of a cultural marker for me than anything else. And therein it receives its prime importance. The problem with Islam are many (and no this does not say that there are no problems with Christianity particularly with the Armenian brand). Moreover, on a cultural and racial plane, an Armenian musulman in my eyes has regressed instead of progressed. My two cents.

Techno music? Okay, that itself should be a reason to ban gay pride parades.

First of all, when did private parts become private? That's irrelevant. Each society adheres by its own code of ethics. If you don't like it, go live with primitive hunter gatherers who flaunt their cocks and balls all over the place and still do naked rain dances. And whoever said shame is entirely bad? It serves a purpose to and a little bit of shame is preferred over no shame at all. That is how you get self-centered nihilistic egotists who think the world is their platform for being unique. As far as comparing acts of proudly flaunting oneself as being a part of a community, to compare a cultural and ethnic community on the same level as people who engage in a certain behavior as 'community' is again stretching the imagination. A community of skydivers or scubadivers or feet fetishists is more apt.

You make it seem as if homosexuals are being destroyed. Please save the dramatic effects of going into that sentimental crescendo. The point still stands. So when I made the point that homosexuals flaunt their cock and balls in their pride parades, now it's a matter of them having the right to do it once a year? If anyone else did that at any other given time, they'd get arrested for indecent exposure. And to suggest there is even a comparison between waving a stupid flag and ones cock and balls is the height of sillyness.

Wow madamme Ariane, I'm sorry to disappoint you mon ami. This isn't about the last word or what not. And who cares about birthdays. I never cared for my birthday and nor should anyone else. And maturity is a matter of perspective, and therefore wisdom is often what we agree with. Anything that quakes the foundations of our prisms is unwise and immature and subterfuge! And by the way, it has never been about obtaining wisdom for me. It's been about riling things and breaking old habits.

Really? And you see something wrong with that? Heterosexuals are the norm and the life force of civilization. Pray to God they keep flaunting it. Deviant behaviors like homosexuality should be tolerated. No one here is advocating killing homosexuals or locking them up. What happened to those two gay teens in Iran is a shame. However, with that said, heterosexuals do not need to have pride parades where they get to dress up half naked with their cocks and balls all over the place. But then again, you do live in Europe and clearly you and Ariane know best because anyone who lives in Europe knows best, since they are so tolerant and liberal and progressive, right?

Is this Sassun guy an Armenian musulman? Is this a bad joke or nightmare I haven't waken up from?

And since nairi is viewing this thread, we can definitely expect a reply from her!

Why thank you my French speaking poodle. But I must say, I hate my birthday. Cheers.

This is a perfect example of a strawman. You need to reassess your priorities and take philosophy all over. I neither implied nor stated that your ignorance is a related to language in anyway. I specifically stated your ignorance is attributable to your myopic viewpoint.

Oh okay, clearly I cannot contend with anyone who speaks and writes in French for they are far better and superior. The lesson is folks, when the arguments get tough, dodge them or pretend to respond but do so in another language!

This post should be on a sticky on the front of the forum for the most glaring example of ignorance. You do realize that in todays liberal climate homosexuality is not merely just some deviant behavior people engage in right? It's an 'alternative lifestyle' that is flaunted to our youths and permeates society from almost every orifice of communication. This is no longer a question about 'being born gay' or whatever. Here in modernity, we invent homosexuals and the homosexual identity. It no longer encompasses those poor souls who were born with a predisposition to be gay, but includes all sorts of deviants and wackos who want to experiment, and change sexes and jump clothes from being gay to bisexual and back to being straight. The majority will always be heterosexual but that misses the point my fellow liberal hippie poster with a French name. In this society, "The West" (i.e. Europe, whatever that means, and America including Canada), Armenians are no longer going from water into wine, but they are water that mix with sands and turn into mud. And while homosexuality or the threat and spectre of homosexuality and its continued promotion in inculcating into the minds of the youth that it is the hip thing to be, is not itself a threat, but coupled with the alarming rate of Armenian miscegeneation and lack of culture creating folk, and you have your culprit of "no reproduction". And while some self-styled Armenians among these boards and beyond like to believe they are righteous Armenians, I assure you, they are nothing but negative leftovers or paper Armenians with the stench of their virulent hedonistic nihilism. To such people, being Armenian is no more and no less a fad than the alternativeness of homosexuality. It's merely a jumpsuit people go in and out of.

Is Sassun an Armenian musulman?

Sucks to be your friend. No one wants to be ass pirate but they can't help it so we should of course learn to live with them. Yes we are. Because Armenians have this notion that being gay or the hippie Western lifestyle somehow overlooks them. I wouldn't know. Don't you think this question is better posed to someone who is an actual gay/lesbian/etc Armenian? My personal views on homosexuality are almost neutral unless otherwise. I don't care if someone is gay, wants to be gay, or thinks they are gay. What people do in their lives and in their bedrooms, is of no ones concern. However, I have a problem when homosexuals try to export their lifestyle and advertise it constantly. Homosexuals are a vociferous group and in Hollywood, movies, media, academia, universities, and here in L.A. they are always trying to commercialize and advertise homosexuality as an 'alternative lifestyle' and that we should all be accepting. When homosexuals push their lifestyle into my zone of privacy then I have an issue. If you want to be gay, fine, just keep it to yourself. But please, for God's sake, don't advertise and flaunt your gayness all over the map for us to see that you are gay. We are perfectly adept at judging whether someone is gay based on the lisp, the manner of walking, hand movements, etc. There is no need to advertise to the rest of the world that you are gay. Calm down, have a beer. It's almost as if homosexuals are trying to convince themselves more than anyone that they are gay.

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Quoted for truth. If there is any definition of evil in a word-picture association, you must have Netenhayu's picture next to it. The guy's face and expression just oozes with evil. It's amazing how evil he is. I wish I could torture him by tying him to the back of my SUV and driving down the 5 at night (no traffic at night!).

80% of the the time I get spoken to in English. One time at Subway, these two rabies guys were in front of me ordering and were goofing around being dicks, high and laffing at everything and even made a reference to me thinking I won't understand. I replied saying, "I understood that" in English. They looked surprised.

In the tumescent teat of torpor

Yes, I've been there when I was in Jr. High. We actually had a field trip to that place. It was amazing! And you're right about the Armenian.

Hillay Clinton was right! It takes a village! I don't get it. I just don't get it. I have seen in my life and experience growing up here in L.A. among the Armenian community mostly in Hollywood and more recently in Glendale, and I don't get it. I have grown up with some troubled kids, "goghakan tper", that from the time we were playing at age 11 or 12, I knew these kids were just vicious (not in the literal sense), because they just loved danger and trouble. Seeing Armenians from my elementary school later in life, it was stunning and surprising to see how some of them turned out. Needless to say, some were good, some were bad. But whether they were "model little citizens" was apparent from the get go of when I knew some of these kids in elementary, junior high, and high school. Some of these kids had the best parents, whom my parents even knew. They were hard working, caring, always sacrificed themselves to their kids, did all the things traditional Armenian folks do, and at least one of their kids turned out to be warped. Other times I have known families who have had the shittiest parents who never sacrificed a fingernail for their kids, and their kids turned out dandy. My point is, sometimes it has nothing to do with nurture, but everything to do with nature. And who is to blame for taking drugs? All my life I have heard of how marijuana is a gateway drug and most people who abuse marijuana, abuse cocain, heroine, etc. Well, I have done marijuana and I regret, not because I abused it, I certainly did not. I tried it after researching it and knowing that alcohol is far more harmful than marijuana yet its legal. But I tried it because I wanted to know what it's like and all it did was really make me lazy and counter-productive. So I stopped. I have been offered cocaine and faced peer pressure in several instances, but I turned it down. I know several people, one of them the brother of my best friend, who has abused drugs. His family is the most awesome family, great parents, who have tried their best and given it all they have to their kids. Yet one of them went sour apple. How is that explained?