TashnagZinvor

Armenoids were never blonde haired or blue eyed, and Irano-Afghans were deffinetely swarthy in complextion like the Arabids and South Meditaranneans. Aryan doesnt = anglo...Indians were Aryans as well, yet the sun has browned their skin (those in the north who do indeed have Aryan blood). Armenians are Caucasians, with Aryan language roots(which is what aryan is), and NOT white, white = depigmented, however there are some exceptions in Armenian communities, esp in the west. I posted about Armenian geneology, people should really read facts instead of blurting nonsence, its too common in the Armenian community, it needs to stop. I've linked my post below. http://armenians.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=7800

MJ your point still hasn't been made. Twilight Bark I agree, there is no future for Western Armenians as a nation or a language, not with the 3-1 ratio. However theres no way I will partake in teaching my children Eastern Armenian, or taking part in anything Eastern Armenian or categorizing myself as such. I would rather we die out with honour.

MJ your statements are flawed on so many levels. Western Armenian literary works were destroyed by the millions in Turkey, had you not known it most Armenian schools, in fact all, are Western Armenian institutions, in America, Lebanon, and many in Armenia. Just because you havnt been exposed to the western Armenian literary culture doesnt mean it doesnt exist, far more vast than that of the eastern armenian (whome did not go through the treachory which the western armenians did at the extent they did) whome still have there land, and who are far more populour, and probably more than tripple the western armenians. What i meant by krapars GRAMMATICAL similarites was just that, i never said that western armenian didnt have foreign influence, however its still closer to krapar grammatically. I dont know what your trying to prove but from your statements ive gathered absolutely nothing. If your trying to make it look like Eastern Armenian would be a better choice over krapar? why dont you state why, instead of attempting to bash western armenians. Id like you to give me one concrete fact at which you base your statements on. Did you not know the largest schools, and the first armenian university was situated in wester armenia? appareantly your vision only extends over your knowledge of eastern armenian culture...

Krapar was not "influenced", it was enstated by the Armenian Apostolic Church during Byzantinian times to preserve the Armenian language. Many Armenian linguists (most of whome were liturgical figures) at the time tried to enforce the Armenian communities of Byzantine, and eastern Armenia (what was persia and russia then) to speak it. Several of the linguistics also researched ancient Armenian dialects. Im assuming Arxangelos was one of those linguists. What I find ironic is that this same church preserved Kragapasht (pagan Armenian religion) sites, by builed the churches over existing Kragapasht sites, as well as the religion itself. Perhaps Kragapasht and Krapar have similar origins in meaning...

Latin in a sence, that it's a Latin form to the Armenians, as the real LATIN is to the Italians or Romans. My concern is to spread a more accurate pure Armenian language, instead of one that has so many grammatical and influencial impurities. Yes, I would much rather see the Armenians using an Armenian language instead of Russian Lingo.

Not all Armenians are Eastern Armenians, Krapar is also used in Armenian Churches, taught by Armenian linguistic preservationists in Armenia itself. The language of Armenia would translate to, The Russian influenced Eastern Armenian dialect. There is no doubt in my mind your from Armenia, your choice is purely biast.

How is it practical when the basis of the dialects are impurities and foreign influence? Without a common language, there will never be unity of a sence of brotherhood amongst the so diverse Armenian community. If ones wish is to unite them, there is no other better way to do so.

Responce to Xenephones Armenian encounters: Xenephone noted that Armenians spoke a language close to western Anatolian and northern macedonian (phyrgian, ionanian) because his soldiers could understand the language spoken by the tribes there during his advance Persia, you must have read that he heard Persian royalty speaking, either way persia had not advanced through western armenia, so its very likely that eastern armenians already had heavy persian influence

Sakartvelo, broken down SAKAR: ancient Greek DISTANT...COLD, opposite of GREECE...velo BEING OF, its not Georgian or Caucasian in any sence. Hellas, from HELLEN of Troy, Ellas a variant Stan: ancient indo-european word indicating LAND, used on PEOPLE OF HAYASA by the ancient Persians (Hayasas came from Crete, also called HYKOS, rulers of egypt and greece), previous to Armen tribes. Armenia was called different things from within, variations could have developed by regional differences, Erebuni, Oronto, Elderayr, Armeni, Armenuhi, Hayastan, Haygazun, Hayrenik, Heyre, Holo, Holadz, Hoghuh, Hoghuya, etc etc, Dikran could have used Hayastan as a form of "hye pride", despite him conquering other tribes that werent hye, Dikran himself was Capadocian/Pontusian.

I would imagine Armenians are too stupid to overlook there 2 dialects and re-introduce Krapar(Church/Latin Armenian), which would dismiss the problem of misuses of foreign words and accents. I myself have learned it and find it to be closer to western-armenian. Language = Unity

Khazars were a Turkic tribe that later adopted the Jewish Religion. Of coarse the early European element in Caucasia was most likely absorbed into there culture. The Azeris on the other hand are an admixture of Mongoloid/Turkic, and Persian/Irano-Afghans, It is most evident in there language. Since the areas were inhabited by indo european Medians thoulsands of years ago (Persians)

Unfortunetly, within the Armenian community, there are not that many people educated on the matters of Geneology(The study of race), The race most prominent amongst the Armenians is that of ARMENOIDS, this race is very populant of Serbia, and also some in Greece, quite a few in Turkey (via Armenia or Balkans), Georgia, Lebanon, Syria, Bulgaria, Southern and Central Italy, England, Southern Ireland, Spain, Tunisia, and southern France, and other parts of the middle east. The ARMENOID, or ARMENID type is hyperbrachycephalic (has a big head), due to mixture with Alpinids and Nordids. The Armenoid has a recetion of the forehead (slopes down toward brows), usually a flat back to the head, very long nose, somewhat bulbous(rounded tip), strong chin, and a spitz oval outline. Complexion can vary, but Armenoids are known for clear brown hair (essentially blonde) and clear brown eyes, with clear to pale skin. Depigmentation supposedly began near the region of Armenia, most likely due to lack of sunlight in mountainous regions, therefor depigmented european types still carry those traits(due to lack of sunlight, Norway, Ireland etc), but the genes allele is very common amongst western armenians. The Armenoid is VERY hairy, from the face down. Beard is usually fairly full (not as full as Meditarannean types) for some strange reason. Back hair is not an acception. Armenoid types are usually very burly (also due to Nordid admixture), which means thick boned, and a V shaped body(Broad shoulders) which is a nordic trait. Armenians differ from the Turkish Armenoids for several reasons, Turkish Armenoids have very short skulls, in comparison with the very long armenian face. The Serbian Armenoids are closer in bone structure and pigmentation with the western armenians (syria, lebanon, turkey), however they show more dinarid traits(a similar race to Armenoids) To be "Armenian" is to be of a "culture", even tho i beleive Armenian cultures to differ very much, comparing Galacian to a Vaneci is comparing two different worlds. Many people settled the high plateu of Armenia, the Greeks (meditarannean), the Persians originally indo-european types, pre semetic essam domination (irano-afghan), the scandinavians (nordid), the celts (brünnid and faelid types), the assyrians (said to be Armenoid/Semite due to babylonia being Armenoid and Nordid in the north), several tribes from the Balkans (Dinarids), Russian variants (Nordid to Ladogan: Half Mongol representative of Russia, neo-danubian: half dinar half ladogan), the Mongols (mongoloid), and recently the Turks (mostly irano-afghan/mongol, and armenoid remnants of ancient indo-european central asia, depending on which region the turks passed through) All in all, the Armenian people have suffered a racial genocide, more so than a national one. However in remote regions, and many in major cities pure Armenoid types can be found, despite the influx of foreign airyoor(blood). here are some examples of Armenoid types http://www.angeltowns.com/members/racialre...sh_armenoid.jpg (from england) http://www.lemagan.com/ARM-HISTORY/images/dikran-great.jpg DIKRAN THE GREAT, a perfect example of a pure Armenoid http://www.legioneuropa.org/Racediv/CSCoon/Papers/p42.htm post with any questions comments or concerns!