TashnagZinvor

hytga, please...your too proud to not be blinded. Have you ever looked at the Armenian people? Or perhaps DNA evidence? As well as Historical Armenian Manuscripts dating back to pre-christian Armenia of Mongol Generals and Mongol-Armenian alliances? Don't bother repyling, find information that proves me otherwise, then post. My dear child, Armenia is WEST of Mongolia.

..... I'm as much for the Armenian cause as Mapple Syrup is to Pancakes. Who ever said I was attempting acceptance by Europeans? I am a geneologist major, not a social major, I could care less what the majority of uneducated people think. I simply state what I have studied and what is proven to be fact by archaeological findings and human studies. If in any case you dont beleive in the practices of modern Science, refrane from using medication or anything else it has provided you with, and see how you enjoy your lifestyle. My struggle, is for my race, be it different from yours, is a struggle opposing what is considered racially acceptable. Lets be honest, Whites are outnumbered, are non-whites are whats in, Blacks are in the Media and in Music, and the White man is being racially ridicueled and persecuted. You are a very proud person, of what I have no clue? What logic are you trying to convery with your dispersed statements? The fever you speak of is just as common in Eskimos and Germans. It is inherittant of AS19 DNA allele, found in all populants of Eurasia and North Africa. Regroup your thoughts, and tell me what your trying to tell me, the white supremacist, Armenian hating? anti-arab??????????? Whuhh? Who dat Dawg? I am a depigmented Armenian. I dont know what more I can say to an obviously eastern armenian, judging by you claiming to be swarthy and hated on by whites. I am just as Armenian in lineage as any other. My racial classification and Western Armenian herritage are nothing for you to judge nor attempt to humiliate. Edited by Sasun

Your racial generalizations are also imposed on me, since I cannot claim to be anything other than the seemingly united ARMENIANS. Therefore, it is my destiny in every which way or form, the interests of both my Armenians, and yours, despite my disliking for them. Teutonic Knight I find it hard to beleive that you would know anything about geneology, and also find it hard for an Eastern Armenian, with an overwhelmingly non-white, non-european, irano-afghan influenced swarthy beings to be part of a white nationalistic group. In either case, the Armenians are not WHITE, therefore there is no way you are white unless you are depigmented in every aspect of the body hair and eyes, ultimately being a Nord. Which I find extremely hard to beleive. Perhaps you might display forms of Caucasian ancestry. Tell me, who are your "white" armenian nationlist friends? Id appreciate it if you called my by my proper screen-name, Deudonic Gnight.

Crazy in a sence that he would murder a renound Armenian political activist.

There is no point in arguing with someone who belongs to a culture that is socially, culturally and politically OUTCASTED. Have all the pride you want in what you claim to be whatever it is you stand for Edited by Sasun

MJ you quickly forget who Robart Kocharian and the leading generals in Artsakh politically belonged to. You forget which political group saved the "Armenian" nation from total erradication by means of Soviet assimilation, Azeri mass population during the second world world, and by Turkish claims of the land itself. The fighters of Turkish and Eastern Armenia, were Tashnags, there were no Hnchagians, or Ramgavar communists at the time. Tashnags, who stood for the liberation of Armenia, sadly enough the only thing that was liberated was your half of the nation. Bow down to the Tashnags and lick their feet, without them youd be more than a Half-Turk Hybrid. Youd be a full blown Islamicist.

A liberator of the Armenian cause, a martyr and true hero. Although a member of ASALA, different from the political group Tashnags, although similar in ideology, with affiliation with my Father and Uncle, in Lebanon, during the Maronite/Muslim wars, was said to be somewhat crazy. However, either way, any man willing to put his life on the life for the Armenian cause, that is what is ours, with will always be ours, what untill death prevents will soon be ours, OUR LANDS, was a man who the JEW (Forceful inhabitants of Israel, who afflict genocide on the peoples of palestine) classifies as a Terrorist. Truly hypocracy at its best. It is funny how those who are destroying of ones nation are sympathized for, and those who fight for their nation (Serbia, Greece, Croatia, Macedonia, Chechnya, Armenia) are classifyed as terrorists and anti-western???? Melkonian was nothing of the sort. No Turks life is of any value, when to this very day they culturally destroy Armenians, as well as politically and socially (to other nations, ultimately by means of politics and Jewry Media), and by means of populating our lands with Kurds (in WWII), along with genocidal inflictions on the inner nation of Ottoman Armenia. Melkonian is someone that Armenian youths should look up to. Why should we suffer a racial genocide, and be denied our Land, that is our right as human beings, to fight for our cause, and stand up for our cause. But no, the Armenians are a Christian Terrorist group, violentry attacking the Super Western Muslim Turks whos quest is for peace and justice, and eating lots of Kurdish Eminems. Truley Hypocracy, and we can all thank the Jewish media.

http://i-cias.com/e.o/ahhiyawa.htm We could both equally be wrong, it's a matter of preference. Considering Hittites crossed the Aegian to Asia Minor, I consider the Sea People.

I consider it an Honor that your people consider me "not of their race". Anyone who would want to be affiliated with Turkisized Irano-Afghans and Semites would have something loose in the head. I get racism from Hayastancis yes, calling me white boy, odar, and this and that. However I will always feel at home with the true Armenians, my Armenians.

ahh my mistake, i was thinking of HITTITES, who were reffered to as PEOPLE OF THE SEA, or PEOPLE OF A THOULSAND GODS, could hyk be similar to the word hov, or hoviv? shepherd?

Dear Arpa, OBVIOUSLY an Eastern Armenian, I was speaking of the Iranians who were muslim during the war of Avarayr, who were enemies of the Mongols and Central Asians. The legion of Tashnagtyutyamp was formed in 1920 during the time of Armenian-American co-operation to rebuild Armenia. Deals, which of coarse, widely focused on Western Armenia (Much larger than the Eastern half of caucasian Armenia). The Tashnags, started by members of the Western Armenian culture, who spoke Western Armenian, which follows Ayp, Pen, Kin, not Ah Buh Guh, did not spell it DASHNAK, which Eastern Armenians consider to be the write way to pronounce a Western Armenian word. Search for Tasnag political members, they are "ians" and not "yans". Just because you grew up speaking an Iranian dialect of Armenian, with the heavy G, BUH, JUH, etc, does not mean our Armenian, which is closer to KRAPAR, THE WESTERN ARMENIAN WAY OF PRONOUNCING IT, is NOT turkisized, on the contrary, your people are both culturally and physically more turkisized than the Bulgarians and Turks themselves. Why? Because they sing like Turks, talk like Turks, and despite the fact that Western Armenian lands were under Turkish power, LOOK LIKE Turks! ..... Do you call Ramgavars Rrrrramkavars? or Hnchagians Hnchakyans? If you dont, then Tashnags are not Dashnaks AG means of, or AGO in Greek. Who ever said Mashtots invented Latin? I was refering to Krapar as the "Latin to Armenians", like it is to Romans, had you cared to read more. Theres not really much I can say to someone like you, your culture is clearly nothing similar of mine. Its no wonder your people are hated at such a level that people in America and Russia consider you "nigger-like". Tashnagtytyamp, MER HOGHERUH MER HOGHERUH (NOT IMPLYING EASTERN ARMENIA), you have yours, we have ours. Edited by Sasun

No, instead you'd rather have it up to the Jew to control your destiny. Of coarse, it's the blind idiocy of the Armenian's to do so...

Harut dont think Im trying to make Armenians look like the wholy christian nation of God...I hate christianity, and all other Semite religions. If it were up to me I would erase christianity from the history of the Armenians and replace it with Kragapasht.

From Hebrew, its original text. I'm sure you as an educated historian know that Christianity was not socially acceptable in Roman culture untill after 600AD, when sooner or later Roman bassilicas would be transformed to Churches, and the first Latin Biblical Text would have been written. Armenian, was the second language the Bible was written and distributed as a nation and people. Greek alphabets were not printed untill Byzantium. You have to remember, that a book, was not printed in those days, but hand written, which came out to be a multi-million dollar government project so to speak. It wasnt something done everyday by the local printing factory. Im sure you also knew that the Armenian alphabet was created so that Mashtots, a christian, could provide the church with an entity to unite the Armenians? of coarse you did You also knew that Armenia was the first Nation to adopt christianity, making it social and legally acceptable? yep yep

Are the Ionians Greeks? Are the Greeks of today Macedonians? Are the Russians slavs? Were the slavs or the Urals Russians? Are Armenians today Urartu? Were the Urartus called Armenians?

evolution of the Armenian alphabet? hahahaha, propoganda at its worst. how do cave drawings tie in with the alphabet? There was no usage of an "Armenian alphabet" previous to 500 AD (whenever). It was clearly Greek and Phoenician, and nothing to do with any sort of evolution.

Armenians were the first to translate the Bible into another language, and distribute it amongst Byzantine. The first copy of the Bible in Serbia and Croatia was in Armenian.

This was supposed to be the History of the Tashnag Party The Tashnags began in western turkey at the height of WWII, theyre purpose was to liberate the Armenian lands and people at all costs. For the Tashnags, there were no deals or treaties. They were a stubborn headed group of individuals whome without we would nothing today to claim as Armenia. They faught for every Armenian cause (manpower wise), Armenia was to be given to Azerbaijan during soviet times, when again the Tashnags came and faught for it. Tashnags by the thoulsands, also known by turks as Fedayis, faught in Artsakh and died for Ramgavars and Hnchagians of Armenia, whome today claim the Tashnags are traitors of the Armenians, whome start wars. All in all Tashnag is the wholy representation of the Western and Giligian Armenians, whose land is still in the hands of Turks, and recently inhabited by Kurds and Rumcas. The reasons the Tashnags (never give up), is because they still have land to fight for, whereas the eastern armenians, who were communist (of armenia and not iran), had land, whome still did not have an army, whome still rellied upon Tashnags and ASALA for manpower. Without Tashnags, Armenians of both West and East would have nothing to claim as their own. Tashnags increased in members in Lebanon, Greece, Cyprus, Turkey, Romania, Bulgaria, Syria, and Serbia post WWII

coons classifications hold a very strong influence in the world of geneology if you one day care to look into it... those two types are very much Armenoid, and how are they not Armenian? One from Istanbul and one from Van? Im assuming your eastern Armenian since you mispronounced my sn as DASHNAK, when in fact it started and originated in Western Armenia, therefore its Tashnag, no matter what dialect you speak. So why is an Eastern Armenian from Van not Armenian? He displays clear characteristics of Asiatic influence, however the other seems very Armenoid to me, with acception to his dark skin. Coons classifying of the variants of Armenoid are to show what scale they come in, in the Armenian community, be it light pigmentedwestern armenians, or darker eastern armenians, or the other way around. your assumption that all geneologists assume armenoids to be swarthy and mongrel is inncorrect, however that time can be found in the middle east quite frequentyl. Armenoids are in fact hooked nosed, as are the dinars, many times its confused with Jewish ancestry and considered swarthy, when in fact the jews inherited it from the ancient indo european Hitites due to domination by the Hitites. Armenoids are fleshy, they are big headed, they do have hook noses from the side view, they do have heavy brow ridges, and are not swarthy (this may have come from the meditarannean admixture. that of which Arabids and Jews belong to, are the darkest of the meditarannean, a pure form which does not have the hook nose, instead a long, thick ridges nose with a depression at the inside of the nose, and whome are mesosophalic (small headed)

Vartan Mamikon(a chinese word for messanger)ian was a Mongol. As were many of his troops. He was never in the Byzantinian Army. The Byzantinian historian Srebro speaks of Vartan as "an assimilated western" and "a foreigner fighting for the cause of his enemy"...either way, modern day Armenian portrayals of Vartan show him in Armenian/Roman armour, which I doubt he had at the time. The Armenians were known to hire on Mongol and Turk warriors, who were said to be vicious fighters. Perhaps it was essentially the fall of the Armenians, due to overpopulation of Turkic and Mongolian types? I would say it makes perfect sence that Vartan would fight for the Armenians, the Mongols and Persians/Central Asian Turks(newly Muslim whod eventually assimilate into one another) were enemies.

Hyksos is an ancient Egyptian word for "people of sea"...who came from Crete. Haik is a modern day Armenian myth whome never existed. It is obviously a shortened version of HYKSOS...Hayasa used later to describe the region which the culture of the people of Hyksos was spread...they were obviously a majority untill the Armens(of the Balkans) claimed the land for there own. I would say these are the two largest racial entities of the Armenians, Hays, who some say were semite (Meditaranneans) and Armens (Armenoid Europeans)

ive included armenoid types in my post of armenian origins, those two are far from them.

the types youve posted are in no way Armenoid, the nasal root is too short, WAY too short for the extreme armenoid length, nose is too thin, and not bulbous or fleshy, that means its NOT armenoid, looks more like dinarid/eastern orientid mix, with some armenoid convexity, the second is nothing armenoid, looks more asiatic and meditarannean, you obviously have no idea what your saying...Dinaroids stem from Armenoid, they do not have Nordid in them, Alpinid was not assimilated into Dinars, but into the Armenoids, hence there brachycephalic indexs are the same, dinars are armenoid+med...armenoids do not equal armenian, but armenians for the most part equal armenoid, bringing into consideration the many swarthy complected dark pigmented armenians we have to day, comes into question admixture with irano-afghans, and meditaranneans (semite is not a racial classification, but a biblical term)...funny that there are also those who are extremely dark, whome do not have armenoid, dinaric, or nordid features, that claim to be armenian, yet look more like east indians/arabids/irano-afghans (i would say are Gypsies), that have overwhelmingly replaced armenoids with mongrels.

Giligians are Giligians, Hayastancis are Hayastancis.....they have no business fusing together. Giligians fight and die for Giligia, and the rest can die for theres. If the church becomes one, Giligian honor will be lost, as will its future.

Armenoids did not stem from the same as the Persians (The Persians were originally from Essam, but many Medes(Armenids) and heavily Turkish(of southern Turkestan and western China, settled in Iran, as well as later Arabs, Jews, Caucasics, Mongols, Indians, Greeks, and maybe even Russian. There's no doubt youll find this same mixture in Armenia. there seems to be a confusion of the Alpine race, Alpine is scientifically half white, be it any depigmented european factor, and half mongoloid. Many middle easterns are Alpinid, heavily in Turkey, Iraq and Iran, as well as Russia and eastern europe. Alpinid: Large cranial vault, wide deepset eyes, receeding chin, wide cheeks and nose/mouth area...alpinid is very much a valid classification, however it does not justify mongrels or mutts...modern science beleifs sway toward the modern majority = mutts. most caucasians are of mongol lineage, such as Dagestanis, Chechens, Abkhazians, west into Ukraine Tartar, and north into Russia Bashkirs, however there are some such as Ossetians, who speak an ancient language of Sarmatian(one of the oldest Indo-European languages)...It isnt odd they would have middle eastern pigmentation, and armenid features, but many asiatic types live there, sadly to say Armenia isnt exactly a pure nation as it is, so the confusion is understandable.