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The Armenian Apostolic Church doesn't resacrifice Christ at Badarak. Badarak is the same sacrifice of Golgotha. You claim we sacrifice Christ over and over because you can't understand, we partake of the eternal sacrifice. He is a living sacrifice. Onnigism (the religion of Onnig) doesn't partake of the sacrifice of Christ. Without partaking of Christ sacrifice how can you be saved? Here is what is really going on Onnig starts reading the Bible and decides The Armenian Church is wrong and all the churches have been wrong for 2000 years and Onnig came up with a right interpretation. You have over 30000 churches and they all say they have the right interpretation of the bible, Onnig thinks he is the only one that could understand the bible. God didn't give us a book to confuse us, he gave us The Church which is the pillar and foundation for the truth, we should rely on the Church and not Onnig for the right interpretation. Onnig do You Care what is orthodox and what is not? Your view is heterodoxy and is condemned by every historical Church Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Armenian Orthodox. Do you think repentance is a work base salvation? Do you think salvation was work based in the Old Testament since people had to offer a lamb for their sins? You don't believe in work base salvation but unless you do good work you can't know whether you are one of the elect? You have to work for your assurance? Onnig it's clear you don't understand the view of the Armenian Church. Armenian orthodox priests that translated the bible to Armenian and it were our Orthodox Church that kept us from becoming Muslims. They were not bunch of heretics that didn't understand the bible as much as you.

Ashot maybe you can read what Onnig said about mass and tell me if he claims The Armenian Church sacrifice Christ at mass? Then tell me does The Armenian Church teach that?

I'm pointing out The Armenian church does not sacrifice Christ but only receive his sacrifice. You are trying to mislead people by saying Armenians sacrifice Jesus at mass. Luther and Calvin certainly don't believe like you in regard to mass. There is no Church that believed like you. You didn’t come to the understanding of the bible on your own you were taught what you believe. Do you sacrifice Christ spiritually? Since you are taking communion spiritually over and over? You don't want to answer because you know the way The Church decided rejecting the diety of Christ is a heresy is by The Church coming together and declaring it, the way they declared Pelagius a heretic by The Church coming together and declaring it. To everyone reading this taking communion is very powerful. Here is what Jesus said about what the communion is and this is what our Church believes. John 6: 53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. 57Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever." 59He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum. Many Disciples Desert Jesus 60On hearing it, many of his disciples said, "This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?" You can decide next time you go to church to pray the Der Voghormia and receive Christ body and blood or you could desert Jesus just as many did at that time and still do today.

What if you were more needy then the person you were stealing from then is it ok? You see Arpa tries to hurt people by using foul language. Now what? Why shouldn't he continue doing it? Why should people believe like you? What if one doesn't feel they are hurting others or don't care if they hurt others by stealing? What if I were to rip people off and if they found out about it and get hurt then return their money. The problem is it’s your opinion and not moral absolute. Ashot I'm not claiming Christian don't commit sin. We in the Armenian Church teach people to repent. We pray the der voghormia this doesn't mean we will not sin.

Why is it ok for you to spread hatred by using foul word? Why are you spreading hatred towered The Armenian Church? Anoushik Why is stealing bad? I think the reason you can't live with yourself is because all these God believing people have told you stealing is wrong. If you don't get caught and you will make more money Why not convince yourself stealing is good? This is the thought behind criminals. They kill because they don't feel there are consequence. People who believe in God sin because they don't have enough faith if one really had faith that they will pay for their action eternally they wouldn't sin. We all lack perfect faith.

why not charge for parts withour replacing the parts if I know I won't get caught? Arpa I think you are a bad person for using foul language so what is the difference if I become bad and cheat? Why shouldn't I cheat and be richer? what if I know I can get away with certain things, should I do it and make more money?

What I'm saying is if one doesn't believe in God then there is no moral absolute. who are you to tell him killing is wrong? I do believe in God this is why I don't kill people even though it might feel good to do so at times. I can’t cheat on my wife because I fear God, even though it would probably feel good to cheat. I have a mechanic shop and I can rip off people and make more money but I fear God so I don't. If you don't believe in God what keeps you from doing all the bad things?

Who told you killing is wrong? Some people like those who murder don't think it's wrong. What if one doesn't think it's wrong and could murder another without getting caught by the police. What’s wrong with that? What's wrong with what the Turks did to Armenians? There is no God it's only your opinion that it's wrong. No God no moral absolute.

We are not Jews, we are gentiles. We are the continuation of the Old Testament. Christians are the true people of God today. Most Jews rejected Christ. Jews are named Jewish because they are from the tribe of Judah. Judah probably was Armenian so was Noah and Abraham. We were the first nation to accept Christianity as a whole. I never said we are Jews; Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism therefore The Old Testament Book belongs to us. Here are good excuses that criminals use to justify killing. When people disrespect you then it's ok to kill. What if someone kills your spouse is it ok to kill them? What about death penalty? What about going to war? Why should people obey Arpas commandments? If you don't believe in God you can't have moral absolute.

I don't run away. I simply expose. Jews offered a sacrifice before Christianity. Christianity is the continuation of Judaism. Christ is the lamb. 301ad Christianity as a nation started not a new religion. Christianity existed even before that. It is better to be good? What is good? is using foul language good? People who murder think they are doing something good; there is always a reason for why they are killing.

Dear Arpa I don't care where the words originated. I thank you for pointing out the word Badarak means gift offering and not communication. There are people out there like Jehovah witness Mormons and Calvinist that set people against Armenians and whatever Armenians have stood for. They are enemies of The Armenian Church and whatever have Armenians stood for past 2000 years. Would you like your kids to be raised that way? Would you want you kids to be raised an anti Armenian? Onnig says the Armenian Church is heretical. He also thinks the Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic and every historical Church are heretical. The true gospel was never understood until he came along. Onnig Where did you get that we sacrifice Christ over and over? What is a heretic? Is it whoever doesn't understand the bible the way you do? Can you name one church that doesn't think they have the right interpretation? Heresy is the rejection of the established teachings (orthodoxy). Your teachings rejects orthodoxy.

I've read your link and this is why I point out your misunderstanding. The body and blood is a sacrifice but can you show anywhere where the church teach We are sacrificing Christ over again? I've also point out no Church have denied the view of The Armenian Church even Luther and Calvin believed in the real body and blood, would you say they are heretics as well? What is a heresy from your view is it if one doesn't understand the bible the way you do?

Many people don't understand the Badarak like the link Onnig provided. Show rejection basing on lack of understanding. Heresy is rejection of the established teaching. Every church prior to the protest except it some form of Mass or Badarak even Luther and Calvin celebrated Badarak, to reject Badarak is a heresy. In the Armenian Church we don't sacrifice Christ every Sunday we partake of the eternal lamb that was sacrificed once for all, this is in no way contradict scriptures. Jesus is The Lamb God provided we need to pray the Dervoghrmia and receive the Lamb in the Badarak for forgiveness of sins. Christmas is coming we all need to prepare our hearts and make room for Christ.

What does heretical mean?

Sip Can we believe St Gregory the illuminator existed? or are we going to pick and choose history? what makes somthing historical? If you test the Bible(which is a collection of books and not one book) to the same standered you use to test any historical book you'll see it will stand.