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Urish? hmmmmmm che aveli lava chasem asem, chasem, asem chansem...........

de gnatseq eh, mets marteq gtel masxara eq anum asi SUSHI EM UZUMMMMMMMM

sirts sushi a uzum!!

Dear GevorgP, This is exactly my sentiments and the wish, With so many forms of aid going to Armenia, allocation of some funds could be as investments in this aspect, I remember the education system during late 70's in our country; I was amongst those students only to cut my studies short due to immigration. I remember by the time of 3rd Diaspora-Armenia convention in Yerevan only fraction of Diasporans were attending, compare to first tremendous amounts of money is spent in Washington and capitals all around the world for single purpose, for the recognition of AG, and I'm one of those contributors, I see it as a duty, but also we must not limit our self’s, expansion and creating an environment to produce sharp and able minds to challenge in today’s global economy is equally important. This is the only way to become economically strong and to us at fusible point, nothing short of "sacrifices" must be made from all individuals, organizations, and social structures who see this, and the generation will respond in a very positive way, gradually, and naturally, the pessimist attitude that we became to develope/inhereted through out history!, will start to change and give rise to new breed of generations. We have many advantages we inherited also from our ancestors, a culture which is very strong, and with this in our hearts and genes it shouldn’t be hard to begin a new chapter, the chapter of the history of the future we Armenians are strange breed of people, annalistically we surpass any other Nation, yet most of the times analyses end up in a negative side in our brains, this king of psychology if continues nothing will change and even would get worst, its not a phenomena. But Maybe I'm naïve? I don’t think so! Even at this age But I believe this thread can be reversed and people will finally realise the key essential elements for healthier future. For us to overcome the past, we must start to look forward Armenian History, unfortunately left some irreversible factors which is going to hunt us many years yet to come, that we must also learn to live with. We can not progress feeling sad and unjustified, Nations only die this way.

Just recently Armenia has began advertising in Tourism on CNN and major networks, I have been calling for such a move, sure enough Tourism has picked up and still as a result of ads campaign it will grow. key is the absence on instability and this is also the main concern of The Armenian Government, with little natural resources, Armenian Highlands, Tourism, became of the her key commodity in economic sector. Same can be said about High tech industry, ROA has this in mind and I think in very near future you'll start see major investments in this sector of the economy by both foreign investors and officials at the ROA. #1 is peace # Guaranty of stability # major crack down on corruption # Investment in advanced education among young # Active public relations campaign. Just like Ireland did not to long ago

THOSE STRANGE SOUNDING ARMENIAN FAMILY NAMES Have you ever thought about the meaning of "ian"? Most Armenian names end in "ian" or "yan," meaning the "son of ," but some Diaspora Armenians have changed these endings to blend in their host societies. Today in Turkey "oglu" often replaces "ian," while Russian Armenians may change the endings to "ov"; e.g., Gary Kasparov, Serge Parajanov. A name ending in "ian" is not always exclusively Armenian, since the ending can also be occasionally found in names in Irish, Persian, English, Philippine and some other cultures. Armenian last names generally fall into five specific categories: Aristocracy, Parent, Geography, Occupation or Trait. Aristocracy The ancient Armenian aristocracy ("Nakharar" class) was derived from Parthian-Persian stock and many of their names ended in "uni" or "ooni." Most of these families were destroyed over the centuries but some still survive today; e.g., Sasuni, Rshtuni. Parent Many Armenian names are derived from the first names of an ancestor,; e.g., Davidian, "son of David," Stepanian, "son of Stepan," or Krikorian, "son of Krikor/Grigor." Until the 19th century, virtually all first names had a religious origin, so most of those last names are also religious. Geography Some last names are based on geographic origin and end in "lian" (Turkish) or "tsian" (Armenian). Typical examples are Sivaslian "from Sivas," Urfalian "from Urfa" and Vanetzian "from Van." These names were typically given to an immigrant who migrated from a different region of Armenia. Obviously everyone living in Marash would not call himself or herself "Marashlian". Occupation Most last names were taken from the professions of an ancestor. These names frequently originated with the tax collectors who needed to identify all individuals for tax purposes. Typical examples are Najarian "son of a carpenter," Arabian "son of a wagon/ teamster," and Vosgarichian "son of a goldsmith." Many of these occupations are not Armenian, since the tax man (typically a Moslem Turk, Persian, Arab, etc.) would use his own native word for the occupation; e.g., the name Boyajian is based on the Arab/Turkish term "boyaji" "one who dyes." Trait The most confusing and curious names are those based on some trait of an ancestor. Typical examples are Topalian “son of the cripple,” Dilsizian “son of the tongueless one,” or Sinanian “son of the spearpoint.” Many of the origins of these names are unclear unless one understands the original context. As an example, Dilsizian indicates that an ancestor had his tongue cut out by the Turks for using the Armenian language, while the term “Sinan” was a slang term applied to somebody either with a very erect military-like carriage or who was “hung like a horse.” Some of these traits are not physical, but rather reflect personality or social status; e.g., Melikian “son of the king” or Harutunian “son of the resurrection.” The name Harutunian could be based on an ancestor named Harutune (so-named because he was born around Eastertime), or adopted by a convert to Protestantism to show his status as a “born-again Christian.” Many last names today have been shortened or modified to aid pronunciations by non-Armenians; e.g., the name "Mugerditchian/ Mkrtichian" becomes "Mugar," "Husseniglian," becomes "Hewsen," and "Samourkashian" becomes "Samour." These abbreviated names often drop the "ian" ending, and are not immediately identifiable as being Armenian to an outsider. The name categories of Occupation and Trait can differ significantly between Eastern Armenians and Western Armenians, since the eastern names often have Persian, Georgian or Russian roots, while the western names may have Turkish, Arab, or Greek roots. Names with the prefix "Der" or "Ter" show that one of the ancestors was a "Der Hayr" (a married parish priest), a position of great social status among Armenians; e.g., DerBedrosian, Ter Petrosian. The study of Armenian Names is a fascinating exercise, since virtually every aspect of the culture is reflected in names. There have been extensive studies of Armenian names in the Armenian language, but little has appeared in English and many Armenians (born outside of Armenia) do not understand the significance of their own names. . Thanks to Gary Lind-Sinanian of ALMA for the contribution of this article.

I have no doubt the sincerity of Turkish public’s outcry and the respect in this Killing. And I hope this is the first step of redeemtion (s) for Turkey about Armenian Genocide along with other crimes committed by Turks. For us the sad chapter will never be closed and completely healed. I wish it could have been that simple. Life must go on, they must realize this! And we should begin to look for the future and do what we must do. I never seen my ancestors Land, I dreamed of it many times, so does my son and many here in this forum. Maybe I won’t be alive to see free and united Armenia, but I'm very sure my Son and Grandchildren will! some day in near future.

Error jan, read again since when fbi cnn and state department provide DETAILED information to assciated Press? not to mantion also, the story originates and was conducted by georgians, with the help, equipment, along with training, provided by CIA?

spaseq eh, dranq voch azg en, voch tsegh, voch el kext, nuynisk triq el chen, gone triq@ gyuxatsin tanum e "atar" e shinum, dzmer varum taqanum a, hats a txum, el chgitem inch en anum....... dranq vochinch en, vochnchutyun!

Happy B-day Amy, amenayn bariq (et hima mez bolors dark room es tanelu?)

think about it, in what other newspaper the the story woulrd of been cradible? hmmmm perhaps NYT? washington post? le Monte, boston globe, pravda? JTW id choesen for exacly this perpose, for its uncradiblility and prisented to the world I dont se any newspaper or TV news would of had the guts reporting such a huge "THRU" story you just have to fallow the events and I'm 100% sure some day, and in likly event near future this shit would surfece and I/m bigining to suspect who is behind this. another question, why is Isreal so interested in Independent Kurdistan? who are does dog kurds? and why is Isreal so interested in it

if not you then you must of known and kept silant, in either case you're an guilty SOB. People, read his comments cerfuly in very plain speaking he admits this is the work of so-called "deep forces" and he is part of it

Dear GevorgP this is a great Idea and I'm sure many members in this forum would be happy to sign it but I dont think anybody in this forum should draft a resolution, shouldent the draft resolution be drawn formaly by one if not all of the organizations in the USA? your thoughts

Burnns was so insuring and comforting to ergovan as how much important the US alley is insted he should of dimanded personaly from ergovan murderers would be aprahended as soon as possible so coinsidently burrns had a mitting night before the murder with turkish high officials. I sence something is not right and days ahead wold revial the reall perpotrators of this crime. why is kurdistan so much mantioned laitly, who will benefit from this and finaly whats waitingfor us Armenians. these are very important historical times for us, nothing short of all 7 vilayets should be returned to her righfull owners, conpensations have to be made, distroy musaleyum of young turks and ask for forgivnes, then maybe we can finaly live in peace, before that a referandum should be made at UN and offialy call the events of 1915 as Genocide!

this is a big loos for Humanity and especialy for turks yevs mi nahatak u zoh u sa verjinne, verj! es anqam menq enq kotorelu yes drants barbaros kochvats mayr@ q*****em my son just called me and he is almost in tears and cant speak, its a sad day, I agree with Arpa, we should declare 3 days of moorning

Yervant, I would hardnly name calling associate with our National caracter, thats fit to kids play behaving badly, what I very much like to do, and see is. vital critisizm right next to vision and drive for prosporous future by having a positive stand and willing to do whats nessesery, I assure you even if the old mighty were to be the center figure, people would also be critical of him.

yes Hagarag thats what I'm refering to in Saroyan and, I dont hate Jews,hate is a strong word for me, I just dont like neo-con zionist jews who have there loyalty first to lekud party then to jews, and hardly give a damn about Americans, let alone Armenins

lets say US passed the resolution and officially recognized the AG, which I think is highly unlikely wile neo-con dominated white house, state department, deface, foreign relations committee in the senate, US house of reps, Washington dominated powerful lobby, which is financed by American taxpayers and serving the interests of foreign country (s), the passage would would have nothing but a symbolic meaning to us Armenians. It won’t give our lands back, no compensations, no apology from Turkey, and certainly won’t make the life of average Aram in Armenia better. It’s only through Armenians world wide and with stable and strong ROA, we would be able to dictate our terms on turkey, if this fails; the only undesirable option would be the expanse of the Blood, Artakh is a great example, and we should take a lesson from it. Every Armenian around the world next to William Saroyans famous words should also include Garegin Njdehs equally great line, “Armenians, your salvation and power is in your unity"

I'm talking about history and common séance, man! You talk about sources which you don’t present when making such a statement. Would you kindly reveal your sources please? Or make a historical counter argument against my position, if you agree with what I say, then you don’t need a source, if not, explain why, and lastly, still cant understand? do a little homework my friend!

you agree with me its a good idea to priserve the historical places or Armenia would of been a good idea for your economy or distraction of it?

go do a reserch dude, the dam could of been few miles north or south from the city and distractiom of Armenian haratage I guess also is beneficial to your economy

Shouban the Sazist -David Saakyan Chapter one The perfect creations in life aren’t the siblings that are produced, but the special talents that they seem to obtain as life swiftly passes them by, day by day, month by month, and year by year. The child is born with noting but a thirst for knowledge. Their brains are comparable to yellow sponges, absorbing even the smallest doses of information that is accessible in a world with so much to offer in such little time. They eat, drink and swallow the positive and negative aspects in life, thus creating the image they will soon portray to the world. The aspects of life which are imbedded into a sponge from birth vary from love, hate, happiness, sadness, poverty and of course passion. Passion derives from multiple elements from multiple impressions. The passion for art may differ rapidly from the passion for hate. Passion also derives from the concept of remote romanticism. Dwelling on even the smallest specs of life to create a somewhat form of art to present to the public. As life slowly drifts away, and the sibling becomes an adult, the society he or she lives in will dominate the way he will be perceived. He shall become stronger by the day, and long known after his exile from earth, I promise… Part 1 In Tiflis: I present myself to you as the man who will guide you through a series of musical journeys throughout the Caucasus region during the years of my musical career. As for my name, I am simply known as “Shouban the Sazist”, however my real name is Haygaz Shoubanian. I was born in Tbilisi, Georgia during the fall of 1932 in a mediocre apartment complex in the Armenian centre of Tbilisi, or as we Armenians call it “Tiflis”. My father, Ishkhan Shoubanian, was originally from the mountainous region known as Mush in Turkish Armenia. My mother, Nayri Goruzian, was born in the village of Sadarak during a time when Naxichevan still carried Armenians in its demographics. My parents came to each other’s acquaintances during 1929 while studying at the Tbilisi State University. My grandparents were not too fond of the marriage between my parents due to tradition of marrying off their children to men and women of their own villages of cities. However, despite harsh criticism and eventual apathy from my grandparents, Ishkhan and Nayri married each other in the Armenian Church down my street in ay of 1930. Two years later, my mother gave birth to me during the fall of 1932. Ironically, no date of birth was every conceived or recorded. However, my father later picked October 12th as the official date in order for me to receive my Soviet documents. I received formal education at the local Armenian elementary school. I grew up reading novels by Raffi, Hakop Baronian, Taniel Varujian, Siamanto, etc. Reading was a personal enjoyment of mine. Despite the fact that most Armenian literature that came across me contained themes of death, sadness, and nostalgia, I however kept an optimistic attitude towards life and my culture. Literature was my personal enjoyment during my youth; however music soon became not only an enjoyment, but also an incurable addiction. In Tiflis, The Armenian community took pride in the music of the late Georgian-Armenian musician and folk singer Sayat Nova. Sayat Nova performed traditional Armenian folk tunes with an authentic Persian instrument known as the Kamancha. Unfortunately, my parents never had enough money to properly afford a record player for me to use. The only record player I had access to, was the record player at my elementary school which strictly forbade students to use without any adult supervision. I would usually carry my parents’ Sayat Nova and Komitas records to school with me to play on the record player while my other collogues from school were out playing. The sensational element of music came from the amount of connection I felt to the basic structures on which the melodies were built upon. Sometimes I would cry to some melodies performed by Komitas. The agonizing and weeping lyrics of the suffrage he and his family went through during his life poked a whole into my heart. The ever so necessity of musical passion which most musicians searched for all their lives was given to me since my youth. As a 10 year old boy, I sat in a small damped room and listened to the music of great grandfathers, while my other fellow friends from school occupied their time with silly games which resulted in small fights and disobedience. My grandfather, Haykaz Shoubanian, was a well known Saz performer back in Mush. He never accomplished any game in Constantinople due to his ethnic Christian background. Due to the “modernization of Turkey” under Kemal Ataturk, my grandfather still had dreams of giving his talent one more try, however he passed away just a couple of years after my birth and never had the chance of performing in Istanbul like he dreamt to. My father would tell me how my grandfather would make even the toughest men cry with his mesmerizing tunes. His legendary saz was the only solid remaining I had which reminded me of his past. It sat in the corridor across my living room, where we ate supper every evening before my dad would leave to go play backgammon outside with his local collogues. As I became a teenager, Armenian music became not only my life, but also my passion. I began playing my grandfather’s saz at the age of sixteen. Without any proper training or understanding musical notations, I skillfully taught myself all the basic elements on how to play the beautiful instrument. I spent night and day in my bedroom focusing the basic craftsmanship on which the saz was made during the late 19th century. At one point, I even began sleeping with the saz every night before I slept. By the time I was eighteen I had accomplished my fears and began playing Armenian, Turkic (Central Asian) and Persian folk tunes. Every time I struck a string or played a difficult note, it felt though as if all the musical pressure I had psychologically emplaced in my head was slowly dancing away as each wave of sound composed pushed and pushed away all the troubles and worries I had before on my mind. After I graduated secondary school, I spent most of my time performing the saz at weddings and cultural events. I made a descent amount of money to support myself as I decided to live alone in an old apartment building a few blocks from where my parents lived. I felt though as if I had to prove to my parents that I had the willpower to live an independent life without and troubles. It was during April of 1952 when I first me Shmavon Karounian, a violinist performed in the Armenian communist orchestra (based In Yerevan) which toured all throughout the Soviet Union performing Armenian and Russian folk sons to the Soviet people in numerous opera houses and concert theatres. He promised me the organization which was funded by the ministry of culture in Armenian SSR would supply me with an apartment and would pay for all the expenses that were needed to be paid for while I resided in Yerevan. Without any hesitation I eagerly accepted the offer to play the saz for an orchestra group performing the very music I grew up listening to. The idea of living in Yerevan produced chills to my spine. I was finally set to live in Yerevan, an ancient Armenian city, barring one of the oldest Armenian churches in the world. My parents were not too fond of the idea of me leaving to Yerevan. I was an only child and was raised with an “iron fist”. In my opinion, leaving to Yerevan was not only beneficiary for me; however, it would have been beneficiary for my parents also. It would create the notion of independence in which I so desperately deserved as an adult. As the month of April ended, my parents finally agreed to my musical departure. On the morning of April 27th, 1952, I set off to Yerevan with Shmavon Karounian, the very man who I later in my life recall as “My visa to Armenia”. To be continued

How do you come up with the number 40-100K Armenians? did you count forced, converted, raped, turkofied, assimilieated Armenians? And, describe as Turks being a race, they have a flag and an anthem, a language spoken far away from Asia minor (in magnolia, north west china) rest what ever was Mongol, Tatar blood represents less then 1% of modern Turkish population. Turkish people are mixture of number of native people/cultures; Turkey still is in the process of ongoing "national character formation" and same time also into a native National character, culture, history assassination. Only in turkey French discover an ancient Roman city, and only in turkey turks build a hydro-dam over it. They must be so stupid, why not claim the city was an ancient turkish city, just like they did to Van, Tigranakert, Mush, Kars, Ani, Adana, Marash, Erzrum, Karin………..etc. PS. sorry, I detoured from the topic, couldent help

California Courier Online, January 18, 2007 Commentary Why Does the Bush Administration Keep Nominating Hoagland? By Harut Sassounian Publisher, The California Courier Why Does the Bush Administration Keep Nominating Hoagland? By Harut Sassounian Publisher, The California Courier At the beginning of last week, Pres. Bush caught almost everyone by surprise when he re-nominated Richard Hoagland as Ambassador-designate to Armenia. Could the President's advisors be so incompetent as to suggest a controversial nominee against whom a hold was placed in the Senate or did they have a more devious plan in mind? A couple of days later, it became apparent that these presidential advisors were both incompetent and devious at the same time! Their incompetence could be explained by the following facts: They were submitting Amb. Hoagland's name once again, even though Sen. Menendez (D-N.J.) had placed a hold against his nomination in the last Congress; Since his re-election last November, Sen. Menendez had given no indication that he had changed his mind about the inappropriateness of Amb. Hoagland's nomination as an envoy to Armenia; After the Democrats won the majority of the seats in the Senate, Senators Menendez and Harry Reid (D-NV), the incoming Majority Leader, called on Pres. Bush last month to withdraw Hoagland's nomination and propose a new candidate. By re-submitting Hoagland's name, the Bush administration was disrespecting not only the wishes of the overwhelming majority of the Armenian-American community, but also that of more than 60 U.S. Representatives, more than half the members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Sen. Menendez, and, more importantly, the new Majority Leader who had just said that he would not accept Hoagland. If it is so obvious that Amb. Hoagland would not stand the chance of a snowflake in hell, why would the Bush administration re-submit his name? The President's advisors had already damaged the prestige of the White House by not withdrawing Hoagland's name when it became clear that the Senate would not approve his nomination. Even more astounding is the fact that Amb. Hoagland did not withdraw his own name in order to save the President and himself further embarrassment! There are probably four reasons why the Bush administration re-submitted Hoagland's name to the Senate last week: General Incompetence: This is the same administration that has made a mess of just about every foreign and domestic issue they have touched from the war in Iraq to Hurricane Katrina. It is, therefore, not surprising that they have mismanaged Hoagland's nomination; Misinformed and Misled: Some of the bureaucrats in the State Department were wrongly told that the majority of the Armenian-American community supported Hoagland's nomination. This is a clear example of selective perception - hearing what you want to hear! Arrogance: Having heard from several Senators (both Democrats and Republicans alike) that Armenia should not be deprived of the services of a U.S. Ambassador, State Department officials failed to secure the support of the one Senator who mattered the most - the one that placed the hold last year. They also arrogantly disregarded the letter of the new Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid who had told them, in no uncertain terms, to withdraw Hoagland's name and propose a new candidate. Maliciousness: Not being able to stomach their defeat, Bush administration officials were hell-bent on dealing a blow to the political clout of the Armenian-American lobby. Had Sen. Menendez not stopped Hoagland's re-nomination last week by placing a second hold, the neo-cons in Washington would have succeeded in damaging the credibility of the Armenian-American community in the nation's capital. While holds themselves are rarely used in the Senate, it's even less common that a Senator exercises such a parliamentary maneuver almost immediately after the submission of a nominee's name by the President. Holds are usually placed weeks later, after a hearing is scheduled, the appropriate Senate committee approves the nominee, and his or her name is submitted for a final vote by the full Senate. In this case, Sen. Menendez placed a hold on Hoagland with lightning speed, within 48 hours of the submission of his name, likely indicating the Senator's irritation at the White House's slight against him. Furthermore, instead of succeeding to undermine the credibility of the Armenian lobby, these officials managed to damage the prestige of the White House for a second time and inadvertently boosted Armenian-Americans' prestige and clout in Washington. Given the long track record of incompetent and arrogant behavior of Bush administration officials, it would not be surprising if they now talk the President into by-passing the Senate and appointing Hoagland as Ambassador to Armenia, when the Senate goes on recess next month. Such a move would tarnish Hoagland's diplomatic career for having become an ambassador without Senate approval and negatively impact the administration's working relationship with the leadership of the Senate. A better option would be for Hoagland to withdraw his name from further consideration, and seek a different assignment for his own good as well as that of the President of the United States, thereby sparing the White House further embarrassment. ****************************************************************************** ***