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or any special symbols that relate to armenia ?

well there are armenians with 'dark' features, by that i mean non-european, myself possibily being an example. doesnt mean i'm not armenian though. but i feel we're going round in circles here. the fact that armenians have a variety in appearance means we have a large gene-pool, which is very healthy. if we had never mixed we'd be horribly inbred. those that have ever been to Wales will know what that looks like, and it's not pretty

well i'm mixed english armenian, and the armenian side is pretty dark. i probably come from more of a 'middle eastern armenian' stock in that sense, but still find the issue totally irrelevant. if you've got armenian blood in you, then your armenian. these sub genres are divisive and negative. artaxias, i cant help feeling your putting value judgements on whether your 'dark armenian, white armenian etc'. there is no armenian caste system, thankfully. there's enough hostility from other groups for armenians to live with, let alone from each other.

i dont agree with your logic there Artaxias, but feel we're getting of the point anyway. my point is that from whatever part of the world your from, genetically we're the same. so the whole issue of whether there is a 'mongolion-armenian connection' is largely irrelevant if your talking about genetics. if your talking about culture then yes, there are differences, ones of which i'm proud of. this is what we should be celebrating, but at the same time realising we're all from the same source. or to put it another way, we are human first, armenian second. both of which i'm very happy about.

havnt had time to read the eniterity of this thread, but feel i have to comment on some of the nonsense being spouted. mongolian armenian, semitic armenian, aryan armenian... i think some people are getting a little scary about all of this. as homo-sapiens we are all related from the same tribe of africans that left africa about 160,000 years ago. thats right ALL of us. doesnt matter if your from mongolia, scotland, or easter island - we all have the same genetic make up. there's less genetic difference between a japanese man and an african than there is between a Jack Russell Terrier and a Bulldog. we are all the same under our skin. that includes armenians and turks whether you like it or not. where the difference's lie is culturally - which is what makes the world interesting. some of the garbage on here reminds me of the Nazi's and their insane ramblings on euginics and aryan supremacy. its fine be proud to be armenian, but try to concentrate on being proud of Armenian CULTURE, rather 'our pure bloodlines' and other such fantasies.

simple question really. i know two turks that i would count as friends. i think even given our history you'd have to be pretty hung up to never be friendly with someone on account of their ethnicity.

always thought it would be interesting if armenia met turkey in a competetive match. fair few tackles flying in i would have thought. theres recently been a programme on bbc2 about immigrants in the UK, which followed a team made up of asylum seekers all from different ethnic backgrounds. it was good to see all the turks, kurds and one armenian all getting on, after their initaill reservations.

defiantely agree with you there dan. the atmospheres you get in Italy are totally different - the hardcore fans (or 'ultras' as they call themselves) have a leader who has a megaphone and 'conducts' the singing. it doesnt have the spontaniety or humour that you get on a good hot blooded English game. newcastle vs sunderland, liverpool vs man utd, arsenal vs tottenham, even Palace vs Millwall - games where you get real passion (or hatred in some cases). cant see the french mustering much passion for anything other than red wine and Benny Hill re-runs agree that the english national team does play a particulary unimaginative fashion - this is due to the sven the swede, who although is very intelligent and suave, does tend to prefer a long ball game.

sorry, i have to disagree with you there. maybe fifteen years ago this was the case, but with the advent of the Premiership the football has changed dramatically. the englsih game is the most attack minded and passionate of all european leaugues. the atmospheres in the grounds are also better in my opinion, allthough you have to go to see the lower placed teams to get the real atmosphere. i'm a Crystal Palace season ticket holder, who are a team i doubt many of you will have heard of. we're from south london and are in Division One, which is one league below the Premiership. we beat Liverpool in the Fa cup at Anfield (their ground)this year, other than that it's been pretty dire, with an utterly incompetent manager finally being thankfully sacked towards the end of the season. Youri Djorkaeff is the only Armenian i know of playing in england - he's total class, he has a wonderfull technique. although some one told me Arsene Wenger (arsenals manager) is part armenian - that would explain the high IQ and ability to speak six different languages then.

by that i mean kind of scales and chords are predominately used in Armenian folk ? by Armenian folk i'm reffering to the music of Hakop Khachatrian (who i believe plays the Dudek) and the composer Aram Khachaturian who used Armenian influences in his ballets. i want to start incorporating these styles into my own playing, but have a pretty limited knowledge at the moment. does anyone have any ideas ?

i disagree. i think he knew he was carrying the drugs, which was the risk he was prepared to take to vist the Island of Achtima (sorry dont know spelling). and as his Step sister put it 'put a flame in his heart'. his father had risked everything for something he believed in, and in this instance so did Raffi - he was risking his liberty to visit the Island and the occupied areas in order to discover something in himself. that's why he states 'when the lights went out i felt closer to my fathers ghost than ever before'. because his father made a similar risk in order to be true to himself. thats the way i see it, i'm sure there are many other ways to look at it though.

i disagree. i think he knew he was carrying the drugs, which was the risk he was prepared to take to vist the Island of Achtima (sorry dont know spelling). and as his Step sister put it 'put a flame in his heart'. his father had risked everything for something he believed in, and in this instance so did Raffi - he was risking his liberty to visit the Island and the occupied areas in order to discover something in himself. that's why he states 'when the lights went out i felt closer to my fathers ghost than ever before'. because his father made a similar risk in order to be true to himself. thats the way i see it, i'm sure there are many other ways to look at it though.

khachaturian was a genius. the way he fused armenian folk styles with classical ballet is beutiful. anyone with an interest in either classical or armenian music should own a copy of the ballets Spartacus and Gayeneh.

cant answer any of your questions i'm afraid, but could you print an address for this site please ?