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Dear aycemnik, I don't really understand why you are asking me this question. But maybe reading the book will give you some answers. The below forword explains what the book is about. If I understood it correctly Kaiser traces certain (contemporary) ideas back to racist and nationalist propaganda which developed in German imperialist circles as early as the 1890s. This is not about todays "German anti-Armenianism", which as far as I know doesn't exist (accept amongst German Turks and maybe German neo-nazi's; the "why"-question in this case I would simply answer by saying that these people are crazy and should be either treated or put away). I haven't read the book yet, but I will do so as soon as I get hold of it. Hilmar Kaiser, Imperialism, Racism, and Development Theories: The Construction of a Dominant Paradigm on Ottoman Armenians Excerpt from the foreword by Stephan H. Astourian Hilmar Kaiser's important essay could not be more timely, for it deconstructs some of the central statements of modern Ottoman historiography. These include the views that the economic success of the Ottoman Armenian bourgeoisie stemmed from their unscrupulous character and European privileges, that it prevented the economic development of the empire, and that it provoked the Turks into getting rid of the Armenian people. Kaiser's approach reminds one of Nietzsche's "On the Genealogy of Morals" in that he traces these ideas back to their origins to unveil their ideological content and the interests they conceal. These origins he finds in the racist and nationalist propaganda which developed in German imperialist circles as early as the 1890s. In particular, Kaiser emphasizes the central role played in modern historiography by the writings of one such propagandist, Alphons Sussnitzki. Kaiser shows that Turkish and Western scholars from diverse ideological horizons adopted these ideas to various degrees and adapted them to their theories. Among them, one finds Turkish nationalists of the so-called Kadro school in the 1930s, proponents of the liberal modernization theory in the 1950s and 1960s, and both Turkish and Western followers of Immanuel Wallerstein's assertedly Marxist world-system theory from the 1970s on.

Harut, Left you a message on ICC. type "mess" to read it. to mess back type "mess [handle] [message]" tip: 6.12 is nice slow blitz time control. you'll get to play more that way. Some more commands: "eco" - type it (during any game) and it will tell you what opening was played. "best" - will list you the top players on icc (amongst them L-Aronian; Kingloek=our Loek van Wely) "who 1000-1500" - will list online players rated between 1000 and 1500 "help" - will give you several ways to seek help to find your way on ICC

Harut, I assume you are talking of BlitzIn. It looks a little like the Mirc interface, doesn't it. That will have a reason, but I can't explain it to you. You'll see it works great once you try it out, lots of handy commands to play chess, generate info or communicate. Some of them can also be found as options under the main menu. This chessclub is a like a complete world of it's own, but in a different dimension. Watch out for becoming and addict. I will pm you my handle now.

What I am still wondering is, why would a war be the only solution to get rid of Sadam Hoessein? If Sadam is the problem, why not concentrate on him? Why make so much fuss? I don't see why he should be reason to risk numerous war casualties and god knows what else.

http://www.gomidas.org/books/kaiser.htm : Hilmar Kaiser, Imperialism, Racism, and Development Theories: The Construction of a Dominant Paradigm on Ottoman Armenians Kaiser's careful and thorough survey . . . is useful and fair. . . . An important addition to the literature." --Resat Kasaba and Çaglar Keyder, New Perspectives on Turkey In this slim volume, historian Hilmar Kaiser traces the sources of stereotypical portrayals of Armenians in various schools of Ottoman history-writing. He finds that assertedly progressive scholars, in their treatment of Armenians in the late Ottoman Empire, pander to the interests of the Turkish state. Kaiser examines the work of Charles Issawi, a prominent representative of modernization theory; Dogu Ergil, Stephen Ted Rosenthal, and Feroz Ahmad, who represent dependency theory; and Resat Kasaba and Çaglar Keyder, followers of Immanuel Wallerstein's world-system theory. Kaiser shows that for their portrayal of the role of Armenians in Ottoman trade, these authors have uncritically accepted and relied on early-twentieth-century material produced by the propaganda machine set up by the German Foreign Office. Giving his readers an overview of the German "Orient" propaganda establishment, Kaiser discusses the works of German anti-Armenian propagandists such as Alfred Körte, Friedrich Naumann, Hugo Grothe, Paul Geister, Albrecht Wirth, Ewald Banse, Ernst Jäckh, Ernst Marré, Eugen Mittwoch, and Alphons Sussnitzki. About the Author Hilmar Kaiser is a historian specializing in German-Ottoman relations and the Armenian Genocide. He has done extensive archival research in Europe, the Middle East, and the United States. In 1996 he was banned from the Ottoman State Archives (Istanbul, Turkey) because of his scholarly interest in Armenian history. Currently he is working at Ruhr University (Bochum, Germany) and is a doctoral candidate at the European University Institute (Florence, Italy).

Ok, let me try once more to convince you to go to the one and only real online chess place, where amongst many others even the world famous Levon Aronian logs on on a daily basis (I just checked, he played at least 20 games there yesterday). To play there as a guest is free (unlimited amount of unrated games). You can have a free one or two week trial period, without any obligations, to play rated games under your own nick. Click here to see the ICC chess program's interface and Levon Aronian's notes, as they are displayed on the chessclub (470 kB bmp-file). To register for a free trial: http://www.chessclub.com/register You will need the BlitzIn-chessprogram: http://www.chessclub.com/download Let me know if you want to try it, in that case I will pm you the handle I am currently using there.

quote:Originally posted by MosJan:Ez sorry didnot met to offend you at all No offense taken Mosjan. Not at all! I was just making a joke out of it. I thought you would understand. Sorry

talking about moustaches, I saw huges ones on old pictures of Armenians, really beautiful. Imagine something simular in firy red. Thats what my other granddad had, they even called him "Joost de snor", "Joost the moustache".

quote:Originally posted by nairi: quote:Originally posted by EZ:because he wore a certain type of moustache I thought he resembled Hitler. That's so funny. Both my grandfathers used to have one as well, all the way into the late fifties, in Iran (!!). I asked my parents about it and they said it was fashionable back in those days. Got your note in the other thread btw. Agreed. Yes, you're right. But still, being so anti-german at the time, he must have thought he looked terribly handsome with that moustache, to still want to keep it To me it's the one and only moustache model that looks ugly on no matter who is wearing it. When I was too young to know all that hitler stuff I already thought my granddad looked strange, i mean, it's not really a moustache, is it, it looks as if it fell right off a chess board

quote:Originally posted by Rubo:To Hye forum cheeese team smilies/smile.gif 'armoonslaught' I am totally ignorant about time zones.If in the east coast is ten at night what time you got there.We got to arrange special mutch for your majesty since you are a half way around the world from here.For the rest of the gang here can we meet tonight at 8pm pecific,11 east at yahoo at kangaroo court if full at frog pound? My name is sedaruben2002.let me know please and your playing names. I'm on amsterdam time of course. California is 9 hours behind. Amsterdam CA ------------------- 7 pm 10 am 11 pm 2 pm I can play evenings (CA-morning-afternoon) I've registered at Yahoo as "dutch_ez", but I thought we were going to get our own room

quote:Originally posted by nairi:Dear Elly, I've decided to be quiet after this last post before I'm accused of some serious foolishness and charlatanism. As you have seen, my opinions on these subjects are pretty much worthless. I neither have the knowledge nor the experience to discuss them properly. I hope you don't mind. I understand, Nairi. Actually, I don't feel like having the knowledge or absolute truth either, and diving up material just takes up too much time for me right now. One thing I'm sure of is that the Dutch-Turkish situation is one of our national problems. The Armenian question is part of it, but not all of it. I am still trying to get through to 'my' members of parliament about this issue. I believe that whatever nasty pressures we are under, we should not give into them, ever. This is something of great worry to me. Turkey's aggressive 'arms' are capable of strangling our democracy, so proved the Assen monument story. To give in to the mass hysteria of 380.000 Turks who have a mental problem is not my idea of democracy and the fact that it can make one of our mayors go as far as believing that censorship is justified and our government to remain passive, shows how serious this problem is, not only for our Armenians, but for all of us. This is giving me nightmares and visions about provocing the 'ennemy' so that he will have to come forward and show his nasty face, so we can finally start dealing with it, instead of hoping it will go away by itself, because that is a dream that won't come true. By the way, I know you are trying your best in a difficult situation, so am I. And I don't want to waste precious time for the purpose of having the last word either. We can always get back to it later, when we are more knowledgable, Ok?

quote:Originally posted by MosJan:dor this way door that way Holand Germanya From over there geographically it looks like about the same spot. For us, from here it's only half an hours drive, but a world of difference. "Dutch" is not to be confused with "Duits". (duits=german; dutch=nederlands). My grandfather was a barber. During the war when the German colonnes would pass his barber shop and soldiers would stop for a shave, they had to keep an eye on my granddad's shaving blade. Once, my grandma had to come into the shop to help pulling him off one. To confuse him with a German would have insulted him deeply, although I kind of did as a child - because he wore a certain type of moustache I thought he resembled Hitler. I never dared to tell him that though. Now I've come to think of that, I have to ask my mom why he never changed his moustache. Maybe he thought: "I got it first"

Actually, Mosjan, aren't mistaken about Aronian's stay in Holland? I'm pretty sure he stayed in Germany, which is right next door.

quote:Originally posted by Rubo:EZ, happy birthday to you and happy holiday season to everyone.We fight and crap on eachother but in the end we should not forget that we belong to a tiny race called Armenians and as such we should be proud regarless of any shortcomings.There is a brigher future. Thanks Rubo. Merry Christmas to you also, to you all actually. By the way, you all have reason to be proud of your Levon Aronian. I hope you don't mind that I got excited too. I hope he will keep at it and become World 'adult' chess champ one day. Mosjan, I didn't know Levon spent some time in Holland. I assume he was here for a tournament?

quote:Originally posted by vava: quote:Originally posted by EZ:[qb]"The easiest and fastest way to peel garlic is to wrap it in rubber, and roll it back and forth a few times. We use a rubber husband, it takes us 2 seconds to peel a garlic clove." What's a rubber "husband"? smilies/nuts.gif [qb] Ahem. Um... Elly, I don't know where you got this - but perhaps it's just a rubber band? Or maybe this is a bit of Dutch humour? smilies/lol.gif No, it's not Dutch humor. To use a rubber husband to peel garlic is one of the tips in this recipe: http://www.netcooks.com/recipes/Salads/Cea...asar.Salad.html Maybe it's a kind of freudian typing mistake of the author

Nairi, if you don't mind I will get back to this subject after christmas. Until then: Prettige feestdagen!

Hye Forum chess tournament... great! I'll check out Yahoo, not sure if I played there before. There's no one here that plays on ICC?

http://www.worldjuniorchessgoa.com/images/aronian_champ.gif World Junior Chess Championship 2002 - Goa 08th to 21st Dec 2002 Zhao & Aronian triumph, Silver for Humpy & Bronze for Ganguly Defending Champion Koneru Humpy had to settle for the silver, behind WGM Zhao Xue of China after the 13th and final round at Hotel Cidade de Goa, here today. The tie-breaks proved superior for the Chinese girl, as both Zhao and Humpy finished with 10.5 points each. Nadezhda Kosintseva of Russia took the bronze with 10.0 points winning her final round game. Overnight leader Grandmaster Levon Aronian of Armenia clinched the Gold in the Boys section, logging 10.0 points, half a point ahead of English Grandmaster Luke McShane. Aronian handed a crushing blow to Grandmaster Dimitri Jakovenko of Russia, taking the title by a clear margin. Grandmaster Luke McShane of England took the silver, while India's Grandmaster Elect Surya Sekhar Ganguly settled for bronze with a fine win over Polish Grandmaster Kamil Miton. Two medals - Koneru Humpy and Surya Sekhar Ganguly - and multiple Norms from talented juniors viz., Poobesh Anand, Dronavalli Harika and P Priya sums up the Indian showcase for this world event. Agencies add from Goa Grandmaster Levon Aronian of Armenia won the 41st World Juniors Chess Championship with a brilliant victory against GM Dimitry Jakovenko of Russia in the 13th and final round here today. The hosts had also something to cheer about as Grandmaster-in-waiting Surya Shekhar Ganguly, scored a quick-fire victory against Miton Kamil of Poland and finished a creditable third. He tied for the third place with Artyom Timofeev of Russia. The silver medal went to GM Luke McShane of England who scored a win against GM Ferenc Berkes of Hungary in a game of fluctuating fortunes. Ganguly's medal winning performance in the World Juniors comes after a huge gap of 15 years for India after Viswanathan Anand won the gold at Baguio City, Philippines in 1987. Aronian (10.0) was a man with a mission in the final round as he outplayed Russian Jakovenko for his third successive victory in the last three rounds of the championship. Aronian, whose onslaught started in the 11th round when he defeated S Poobesh Anand, continued his amazing form with a surprisingly easy victory over GM Pentyala Harikrishna and capped it with an excellent victory over Jakovenko in the last game. "Luck played a major role, you have to be lucky when you are doing well, form cannot be the only decisive factor," the Champion said referring to a few hiccups in the earlier rounds when he survived some difficult positions. http://www.worldjuniorchessgoa.com [ December 23, 2002, 08:23 AM: Message edited by: EZ ]

"The easiest and fastest way to peel garlic is to wrap it in rubber, and roll it back and forth a few times. We use a rubber husband, it takes us 2 seconds to peel a garlic clove." What's a rubber "husband"?

quote:Originally posted by MosJan:hmmmmmm- 1 can flat anchovies thats way to much Actually, I didn't have all the ingredients, so I'll make the real thing tomorrow. The ansjovis, I never actually tasted it in the factory made dressing... I assume we are talking about the regular saulty ansjovis in oil? I'll be careful with the ansjovis Mosjan, thanks. Sip, are you serious about the (amount) ketchup?

Thanks a lot. The second one looks great! b.t.w. whats "morningstar scramblers"... mayonaise?

"Qnqush Anoush Anushik" Tarkmanutyun please. "Qnqush", tried to look it up, figured it must be future sentence or something so the word starts with "n"?

My bottle of Ceasar salad dressing is empty and it's sunday, shops are closed here. I couldn't find the recipe for the dressing on internet, as if I'm the only one who doesn't know how to make it. So I figured, it shouldn't be difficult to obtain it here. I'll need it in an hour or so.

quote:Originally posted by MJ: quote:Originally posted by EZ: By the way, MJ, why don't I get offered a job in your new government? I hope you're not discriminating this Dutch girl. Dear Elly, I had you in my mind. You would be perfectly suitable for the position of Ambassador of Armenia in the Netherlands. But since I didn't garner enough support for my campaign, I decided not to make my plans for you public. Well, you have MY support now! By the way, I know people have been joking around here about participating in the presidential elections. But I do take it also seriously, I really believe it would be a good idea to try to have a go at it from here. There are certainly some very qualified people on this Forum. So to all: could it be also discussed as a real possibility? It's nice to joke around, but don't have some of you at least have the real thing in the back of your minds?

quote:Originally posted by nairi:Elly, please don't underestimate the desire of Dutch journalists to "revive" the Armenian genocide, be it for the sole purpose of exposing the history of their Turkish community. I don't think I need to post an article (or non-article for that matter) for you to know that censorship and restrictions happen in Holland as well. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs' reference to a "genocide" may in itself be the freedom of speech that FA chooses to apply, however, I think it's more likely the result of national and international pressures than that of what FA genuinely believes is true. As for Dutch law, I agree that the system is quite objective and fair, but it still does not support journalists in writing freely about certain topics in practice (namely in quality newspapers, as opposed to local ones). Clearly, either Dutch freedom of speech only works on paper, or Dutch leaders are cowards when it comes to applying it in practice. About living in Holland: I am very grateful about having had the right to grow up here. I mean that. I don't think there is a single other country in the world that I would have been proud to grow up in. However, since it is also "my" country, to a certain degree (I was born here), I feel that I too have the right to look at it critically. Filing a lawsuit: the Armenian Genocide does not belong in some obscure village court. It belongs at the International Tribunal, or International Criminal Court. However, if anyone really believes that the Armenian Genocide will be judged there in the near future, they are dreaming. This isn't merely about Turkish denial; it's about supporting Turkey in its denial. By writing "genocide" in its web site, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is acting as an accomplice. The situation is more complex than that, and it is NOT that easy for Armenians to get voice. What the h... do you think we've been doing since the beginning of last century? Yes, we made and continue to make many mistakes, but it would be ridiculous to put the full blame on Armenians by telling them they're not trying hard enough, or they're not doing it the right way. It's just not that easy to gain support when the most powerful countries are blocking your way. As for genocide recognition in Holland: there's not much point discussing it right now. First of all, nothing major is happening at the moment, and secondly Holland will not recognize the genocide either until the rest of the world does, or Turkey does. This is almost a guaranteed fact. Blame it on cowardice if you want, but it just won't happen soon. The court case we won was filed at the highest level by the Turkish Forum. The outcome was that the monument can stay in Assen, but its text cannot be altered. Officially, we're still commemorating Nikolai Romashuk's ancestors in the period of 1910-1920. I doubt Armenians will file a lawsuit to get the text back. There's simply not much point. If we get the text back, the Turks will drag us back into court. Then we'll have to file another lawsuit to set that straight, etc, etc. It's a vicious circle. We're better off just being quiet, doing as we're told, respect Dutch law and freedom to the extent that we can have it, and stop bothering everyone with it. If Dutch people want the genocide to be recognized by their country, they will have to be the ones to put more effort into it. We're merely guests: that's why Romashuk went along with what he was told. He didn't want to cause more trouble than he already had. Concerning Assen: again, there's not much point for us to file a lawsuit against Mrs. Van As. If the lady refuses to listen to Internal Affairs, what makes anyone think she'll listen to her local court? Besides, it's too much energy and too much trouble. Armenians in Holland are not full-time activists. It's something they do in their free time (which is not much). And considering that the above court case took more than two and a half years (!) to resolve, I doubt anyone has that much free time or willingness on their hands to file another one. Not now anyway. quote:By the way, I may sound a little passionate here and there, but I'm not in any way trying to hurt your feelings Nairi, ok? Likewise Let's continue here, Nairi, I'm starting to feel like I am sabotaging the presidential elections. I will get back to the subject here later. Have a nice day,