History Of The Dashnak Party

[Artsakh]

Lets hear your views about the Dashnak party.

 

 

Edit as requested - nairi

Edited September 30, 2004 by nairi

[KnightOfArmenia]

Uhm. We're all just chilling. You know, doing our thing.

 

A political party is just that; a political party. We do fund drives, help the Diaspora community, and raise millions upon millions for Armenia. Our youth movement goes to Artsakh every year and helps rebuild villages destroyed during the war. Hell, we still have an army mobilized in Artsakh, ready to defend in case the turks ever try to take back our soil.

[Arpa]

Artsax???

 

Whoah!!!

 

Wait a minute!!!

 

What kind of (nick)name is that?

Before we say anything we must first know if you are Armenian.

With a name like that?

Have you not heard that that is Turkish?

Whatever happened to Artsakh??

[KnightOfArmenia]

Well, he obviously isn't Armenian. But most foreigners know of Artsakh as Nagorno-Karabagh. He might just be wondering.

 

But judging as it's his name... Yeah, he just might be an azeri turk. Schweinehund!

[Sip]

But judging as it's his name... Yeah, he just might be an azeri turk. Schweinehund!

Ok easy now ... let's not burn the witch just yet. I am guessing you got a "jump to conclusions" mat for x-mass last year. You know, it's a mat with different conclusions written on it, that you can jump to.

 

Welcome aboard Karabagh. Please do us a favor and hit that caps lock key once. Thanks!

[DominO123]

Artsax???

 

Whoah!!!

 

Wait a minute!!!

 

What kind of (nick)name is that?

Before we say anything we must first know if you are Armenian.

With a name like that?

Have you not heard that that is Turkish?

Whatever happened to Artsakh??

Are you sure of that? If I am not mistaken a part of the word is Persian derived.

[KnightOfArmenia]

The azeris speak a derivative of Persian and turkish. Bagh-e-siah is "black garden" is Persian; "ghara" is turkish for black. So, the azeris say "ghara-bagh", meaning, again, "black garden," but in their gutteral schweinehund language, lol. So, technically, it is as much turkish as it is Persian.

 

Oh, and Sip: ROTFLMAO!! I love that movie so much. "That is, like, the worst idea ever." "Yes... Terrible idea!" LOL.

[Sip]

Oh, and Sip: ROTFLMAO!! I love that movie so much. "That is, like, the worst idea ever." "Yes... Terrible idea!" LOL.

hehehehe ... I was wondering if you would make the connection or not! Samir naga naka nagggana work here anymore

[Arpa]

I am aware of all the variants of the name.

The most common acronym used at the present is NKR that stands for Nagorno Karabagh Republic, nagorno from the Russian to mean mountainous. I fact if one were to look up the region in the Arm. Encyc. one would have difficulty unless you know the official Armenian designation during Soviet times was LGhIM, Lernayin Gharapaghi Inqnavar Marz. The reason it is designated Lernayin, Nagorno or Mountainous is because there is another GharBagh in Azerbaijan on the Caspian which makes news from to time in connection with oil exploration.

As above, I am aware of all the analyses of the Turkish/Persian name which is relatively recent before which it was known as Artsakh and or Utik. Yes ghara means black in Turkish and siah as well in Persian and Turkish, the Armenian equivalent would be Sev Aygi, named so for the black and fertile soil.

My point was not the derivation of the name which is blatantly not Armenian but this correspondents, perhaps innocently is using a provocative name, in upper case letters no less. IN YOUR FACE?

It would be interEsting to know why he/she chose to do that. Is there a message?

Many official Armenian sources do refer to it as NKR but if one would follow the developments one would see that the official internet sites by the gov. of Artsakh are gradually using Artsakh more and more in preparaton for full independence and international recognition at which time the official name of the country will be permanently changed to Republic of Artsakh or Utik.

AS is we have too many Turkish surnames but naming an Armenian country Gharabgh Armenian Republic would be more oxymoronic than the likes of TajkaHayastan or TurkaHayastan.

In closing, whoever this new correspondent is his/her choice of subject is highly suspicious. We can respond to it in a very educational and constructive manner, i.e whoever and whatever Dashnaks are they are still our own, they are Armenian, whether they have acted correctly or in error their intent was the good of the nation. Just as the adage goes; "One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter, and visa versa, the mistakes of actions of yesterday may be judgesd as correct today and visa versa. Only that we learn from our mistakes and not repeat them.

[Artsakh]

in the FIRST place, in 1988, 1 million armenian people were on their feet screaming "Artsax-UH MER NEH", and it makes no difference where that word comes from, and don't forget today there exists the "LERNAYIN ArtsaxI HANRAPETUTYUN"

 

SECONLDY, my nick name is not the topic of discussion.

 

thridly, I AM AN ARMENIAN.

 

so, if this answers your question, lets concentrate on the topic.

 

PLEASE DON'T DODGE THE QUESTION IF YOU ARE SO LITTERATE AND EDUCATED

[Sip]

Welcome to the forum. You just have to understand that sometimes we get these new people that are ONLY interested in starting trouble and nothing else. So that's why more experienced members are a bit cautious at first, trying to understand what is what.

 

As far as the question, the reason I am not saying anything since I have no clue about the subject.

[Artsakh]

ARPA, IF YOU ARE SO CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND ARTSAKH,

WHY AREN'T YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THE GUY NICKNAMED "MJ" WHO HAS STATED IN THIS FORUM:

 

"while artsakh was mostly populated by armenians, for most of history it has never been part of armenia".

 

these are the traitors who you should concentrate you efforts on if you are truely the good armenian you present yourself to being who does not tolerate the work "Artsax" because it is derived from some turkish. what you are is a hypocrite and a traiotor who is ready to sell out artsakh.

[Arpa]

ARPA, IF YOU ARE SO CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND ARTSAKH,

WHY AREN'T YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THE GUY NICKNAMED "MJ" WHO HAS STATED IN THIS FORUM:

 

"while artsakh was mostly populated by armenians, for most of history it has never been part of armenia".

 

these are the traitors who you should concentrate you efforts on if you are truely the good armenian you present yourself to being who does  not tolerate the work "Artsax" because it is derived from some turkish.  what you are is a hypocrite and a traiotor who is ready to sell out artsakh.

 

I don't think you are getting the point.

I am contemplating to amend my nickname to Kemal Hamid and still insist to be Armenian.

In 1988 when the throngs that were yelling "Karabagh@ mern e", it was at a time when they were just waking up after decades of oppression , centuries of turkification and russification learning history again. You must also remember that at that time the second largest city was called Leninakan(Gumri), the third city was Kirovakan (Vanadzor) which a few decades ago was known a Ghara Kilisa, the marz known roday as Yegheknadzor was called Aziz Bekov, the first town to Artsakh was known as Lachin (Berdadzor), Shushi was known as Shusha, Spekanakert was Khankendi, there was a town known as Aghdam, Gandzak was known as Kirovapat which is now Gyanja, and many more.

 

As to MJ, he can defend his point adequately, yet what he is saying is a fact, not an opinion or any political statement. Rad his words again.

 

This is the third time that I have aired the following map. Something I hate to just as I hate advertising Azat Artsakh as Karabgh, it is a sin to call that region with that name knowing how many beautiful boys and girls sacrificed their lives just to have the right to rename it by its original Armenian name.

 

Let's play a game.

Click on the map below, enlarge the regions labeled Igdir, Kars and Artahan and tell us. Would you name your son Aghri instead of Masis, or your daughter Ojakli instead of Ani since those are the official Turkish names of those sacred landmarks now. Also note that the Turkish name for Hayastan is Ermenistan, shall we sing "Ermenistan yerkir drakhtavayr"! or "Yes im anush Ermenistani arevaham barn em siroum"?

 

http://www.adiyamanli.org/MapofTurkey/turk_map.htm

 

When sometime ago a friend used the term "Christian Turks" alluding to some diasporans who speak Turkish, eat Turkish, sing Turkish yet on April 24 they curse the Turk. I was shocked. Also something that is permanently etched in memory is when upon meeting someone with -ian surname I asked- "Inchpes es?" and he went "huh???. I said that means "how are you", he turned around and said; "Why don't you then speak Armenian, you mean "nas@l s@n"?? That is a Christian Turk. Another one of those who just returned from Europe when I asked if they were planning to go Yerevan said; "What business do I have in Yerevan? I would love to see Istanbul and Aintab though!" That is a Christian Turk.

If I did not get my point across then I must go back to kintdergarten and relarn my elementary English.

 

In closing. No body is questioning your patriotism and armenianism but sometimes words/names and semantics may be more than half the argument. When debating with a Turk do you refer to the Capital of Hayastan as "Khanate of Irivan/Erivan??

[Arpa]

As far as I am concerned that sapect of the argument is closed.

Your first and original post asked about the Dashnaks. That tells me that you something to say about the subject.

Let's hear it.

[Arpa]

Oh, one more thing.

As to MJ's statement, I would much rather Artsakh be an indepenedent state until such time. It will give at leats two chairs at many international fora such UN etc.

Why not?

How many Turkic states are there at the UN? Turkey, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgizstan? Did I leave any out? Are Chechenya next, Abkhazia etc. next?

How many states claim to be Arabic yet have separate chhirs at the UN?

[Stormig]

How many Turkic states are there at the UN? Turkey, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgizstan? Did I leave any out? Are Chechenya next, Abkhazia etc. next?

For a moment I was wondering if you really believe Chechens and Abkhazians are Turkic. I thought then maybe it was to mean political alliances, but Turkey has been too sympathetic toward Georgia to piss off Russia and Armenia to ever extend a finger to Abkhazians, who have now been reincorporated into the Russian Federation. The help of the Caucasian/Circassian diaspora in Turkey is an entirely other issue. So what gives?

[Artsakh]

the turk argues that Artsax/arstakh has never been part of armenia.

MJ, supposedly an armenian, argues the same thing. now us, as armenians, who do we concentrate our efforts on? answer me this question.

 

what MJ said is not a historical fact, it is a historical revision.

 

i don't intend to spend my time giving you all the facts on historical armenian province of artsakh, because you know all to well what the facts are.

 

i will just say that if Artsax has not been part of armenia for MOST of its history, then it has NEVER been part of azerbaijan for ALL of its history.

 

once again, i am not going to give you any historical facts, because you know the facts too well, plus i would assume that the turk is who i'd have to convince, and not an "armenian."

 

but if you are so armenian and care so deeply about artsakh as to not even tolerate the word "Artsax", then aren't you aware that according to the azerbaijanis, who you agree with on with MJ's comment, that "arsakh" is not armenian word, it is a caucasian albanian word, and don't you know that caucasian albanians are ancestors of azerbaijanis???

 

of course this is a big revision carried out by azerbaijani and turkish gov't sponsored revisionisst historians on the payroll, but i hope this will shut your mouth.

 

concentrate your efforts where it needs concentration.

 

if its possible, tell me how to change my nick name and i'll change it to artsakh if you really care for it so much.

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now, lets get back to our topic, well lets hear your thoughts.

Edited September 21, 2003 by KARABAKH

[America-Hye]

Artsax,

 

You are making a fool of yourself. MJ is an illustrious Armenian scholar. Although I have had "run-ins" with him in this Forum, I know now who he is and have much respect for him in spite of his uncompromising approach. He is VERY knowledgeable.

[Artsakh]

who ever changed my nick name, thanks i guess i hope i've satisifed arpa.

 

america hye or who ever you are MJ doesn't know anything. he is not a scholar he is a low life who carelessly makes a pass time out of armenian history and politics and to antagonize people for his fun.

[America-Hye]

Artsakh,

 

Do you know who MJ is? He is one of the key players of an Armenian think tank based in New York.

[Sip]

Nice post Arapa (the long one)

[robin]

For an interesting read about the early history of the 3

armenian parties, including the Dashnaks

 

Read - Louise Nalbandian's "The Armenian Revolutionary Movement" , 1963,

Univ. of Calif. Berkeley.

(subtitled: The development of Armenian Political Parties

through the 19th century).

[Arpa]

who ever changed my nick name, thanks i guess i hope i've satisifed arpa.

 

america hye or who ever you are MJ doesn't know anything.  he is not a scholar he is a low life who carelessly makes a pass time out of armenian history and politics and to antagonize people for his fun.

Whoever changed your nickname deserves a huge hug and a kiss. If it was Sip then I'll reserve my kiss to his sister or mother even if I have no problem kissing boys either.

Artsakh, now we love you!

Now you can begin airing your opinions about the Dashnaks.

 

As to changing one's nickname, one of the geeks can advise you better than me.

 

Once there was a forumer who rubbed the people in the wrong way, he still does, specially when he must use the "J" word in every one of his posts. Besides being very comabztivew and highly offensive at times, he was even more offensive when he wrote under highly offensive nicknames.

 

See for yourself; And remember who caused all that "conversion".

 

http://armenians.com/forum/index.php?showt...t=0entry52397

 

And now, may the intellectual, historical, academic and civil debate begin.

[Sip]

Whoever changed your nickname deserves a huge hug and a kiss. If it was Sip ...

Boy am I GLAD it wasn't me. But FYI, only admins can do such things (not moderators) so that narrows down your list of candidates to hug and kiss.

[America-Hye]

Arpa,

 

What od you mean whoever I am?? An Armenian born and raised in American culture is an America-Hye. That is what an an "America-Hye" is. My mother was also raised from childhood in America and my father was raised in Europe. No Levantine influences to distort my thinking. How about you??