Persians Are Firmly Behind Armenians!

[Persian Friend]

Dear Armenian Friends:

 

I wanted to reassure each and everyone of you of our continued overt and covert support of the Armenian people.

 

We are very happy to see that Persian Armenians are leaders when it comes to investment in Armenia.

 

Because of shared common Aryan ancestry we feel particularly close to our Armenian brothers and sisters.

 

We were recently quite disturbed by the 9 billion dollar aid package granted to Turkey by the United States.

 

The contribution of Armenians to every facet of Iranian life is always appreciated.

 

A strong Iran will always be a guarantor of Armenian security in the region.

 

All the best.

[gamavor]

If you only could get rid of that rediculous Allah, we would like you even more....

 

Welcome to Hye Forum!

[Persian Friend]

Dear Gamavor:

 

We Persians do have a word for God and it is "Khoda".

There is another alternative word which is sometimes used and it is "Parvardehguar".

 

It is quite an oxymoron that we Iranians have a religious government in Iran. Usually Iranians are the least religious Muslims in the Middle East. You can also deduce that by observing the Iranians living abroad.

 

The Iranians are quick to adapt to the ways of life in the host countries. As an example the Turks living in Germany still adhere to their old way of life as exemplified in their dress code and are less flexible to integrate within their host society.

 

We Iranians in the Middle East have comparatively speaking a good nature and kinder and more generous than Arabs and Turks. Any Persian-Armenian can attest to this fact. They have been living in Iran without any major harassment or persecution and we Iranians consider them as one of us. The Armenians have always demonstrated their benevolence towards and their solidarity with the Iranian nation even during the war with Iraq.

 

Even in the Iranian communities abroad we have always been kind to them. An example is the expatriate Iranian music and entertainment industry in US.

Our king of pop is Armenian by the name of Vigen. There are numerous Armenian pop singers such as Andy, Michael, Helen, Martik, Artoush etc. The Iranian satellite TVs also employ many Armenians who work for them as technicians.

 

Inside Iran besides the indigenous Armenian population the Iranians usually give preference to Armenians when they want to grant contracts to people or industries that are equal. As an example the newly established airline Mahan Air in Iran which had leased or bought Russian civil aircraft used to almost exclusively hire Armenian pilots and crew to fly the Russian aircraft. The salaries and benefits paid to them was very god compared to the average salary in Armenia. Iran had to use Russian aircraft because of economic sanctions which barred it from buying US or European aeroplanes. Other examples of course abound.

 

I am told also that 11 years ago during the Azerbaijani-Armenian conflict we supported Armenia covertly.

The Persian Armenians are also the leaders when it comes to supporting Armenia and investing in that country.

There are also numerous nice churches in the different cities in Iran notably in Tabriz, Tehran and Isfahan.

There were also a large number of Armenians that took refuge in Iran during the ongoing Armenian genocide in Turkey and the survivors are mostly concentrated in Tabriz in North-Western Iran.

 

Besides the Armenians there is another Aryan group in the region which looks for support to Iran and that is the Kurds who have also been victims at the hands of Turks as properly shown on your website.

 

The motion to recognize the Armenian Genocide has also been considered in the Iranian Parliament.

[hyebruin]

thanks for your nice post 'persian friend'...persians have been decent to us, otherwise how could we have survived and prospered for so many centuries in iran?

 

"shoma khoob bemooneed" (did i say that right?) my persian friends laugh at my broken persian and an even funnier accent!!

[Teutonic Knight]

Persians are good and intelligent people.

Lots of racially aware Persians here in the West.

I wish you well in your struggle to liberate your homeland from the ayatollahs that keep importing arabs and pakis.

[America-Hye]

Every Persian I have known has been supportive, except the Azeris from Iran. Persian Bahais have been some of my closest friends, and introduced me to my Armenian ex-wife. The Persian Jews have been a mixed bag. A number of very supportive ones and one who absolutely despised my and made a lot of trouble for me.

[Arpa]

Persians and Armenians are similar in more ways than one. Including but not limited to their stupidity.

The stupidest way is each of them feels they are the champions of their religion which neither of them invented in the first place.

Imagine a people that will destroy their own country to defend a stupid religion that even the very inventors don't give a hoot about.

The first thing Persians could do is get rid of that idiotic Arabic/Semitic script that does not fit their IndoEuropean language. Look at the stupid amendments they had to do to fit it to ttheir phonetics. They are welcome to the Armenian Alphabet, it has all the sounds they need and more.

[Armen Half-Celt]

Isn't it a little strange to be saying "thank u for supporting us Persian friend" and then calling the religion of Iran stupid, rediculous and idiotic? His posts were very kind and supportive.

[America-Hye]

How about a people who are so proud of a religion that bears little resemblance to the teachings of it's founder. A religion which was altered by the governmental powers as a tool to find uniformity throughout the Roman empire. This was a practice that mimiced that followed earlier by the Greeks, who incorporated local dieties into the official religion of the state for the purpose of maintaining a uniformity of belief. The Christian religion is a potpourri of Jesus' teachings mixed with pure paganism. The Roman authorities mixed them together to help in a easy transition to the "new" state religion, "Chrisitianity." The true biograohy of it's founder was altered in order to coincide with that of pagan Gods. The Armenians were under the Roman Empire at the time and were under pressure to "toe the line." Christianity veered SO far from it's roots that the Armenians eventually balked and did not go along with the Council of Chalcedon in 451 A.D. By then, however, the teachings of Christ were seriously soiled with pagan beliefs. Some Armenians will die for a religion which bears so little resemblance with the teachings or the true life experiences of it's founder.

[Arpa]

How about a people who are so proud of a religion that bears little resemblance to the teachings of it's founder. A religion Armenians were under the Roman Empire at the time and

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he true life experiences of it's founder.

Are you a Paulician or a Thondrakian?

Immeaterial, as both of them tried to claense Christianity of its pagan mythology and return to the original message. They were both ridiculed and persecuted for going against the Romanized, Hellenized and mythologized version. They wer both vindicated when Martin Luther picked up where they had left.

[Arpa]

Isn't it a little strange to be saying "thank u for supporting us Persian friend" and then calling the religion of Iran stupid, rediculous and idiotic? His posts were very kind and supportive.

Are you blind?

At least in one eye?

Didn't I call "stupid" BOTH of our religions?

How about BOTH of of us get back to our original cultures where we made love one day and war the next.

The hell with all those foreign religions. Aeamazd and Zoroaster had more in common than Jehovah and Allah. Religion or not we still are the same people, neighbors whether we like it or not, neither is plannong to move away, Mecca is not te Capital of Iran as neither is Jerusalem the Capital of Armenia. Let's emphasize the (more) similarities rather than the (few) differences.

[America-Hye]

Arpa,

 

If you read my previous religious comments, you would realize that I am a RABID Tondrakian. Zarehhavan is my hero.

[Arpa]

Arpa,

 

If you read my previous religious comments, you would realize that I am a RABID Tondrakian. Zarehhavan is my hero.

Am I the only one here that can read between the lines?

Why do you think I posed that question to you?

Is it not beacuse I have known for quite sometime that you are the typical "hereticos"? Not necessarily a bad word in my lexicon. If only more Armenians could crawl out of that shell, aka "First Christian Nation" and the "Original Apostolic". Let me ask this again; Which of the apostles was Armenian?

Maybe Armenia needs a neoThondrakian movement, that way we may join the mainstream (Christian?) world instead of being an obscure heretic tribe up in the mountains somewhere.

[America-Hye]

Arpa,

 

WHERE do we start the Neo-Tondrakian movement???? I am ready, willing and able.

 

My next question to you is, "Which of the Apostles was not a Jew?"

[Persian Friend]

Dear Armenian Friends:

 

I just wanted to share with you a certain conspiracy theory that is being widely recited amongst Armenian Persians and Persians both inside and outside of Iran. You may be able to help me to verify the truth or falseness of this claim concerning the Armenian Genocide.

 

As you may agree in any major event there are instigators and perpetrators. The instigators being those who pull the strings behind the scenes and the perpetrators being those mercenaries who carry out their orders in exchange for some form of compensation.

 

It is being said that in the Armenian Genocide although the perpetrators were indeed Turks the instigators were Jewish. This by no means is meant to diminish the horrible crimes committed by Turks and their brutality and cruelty.

 

The reason being cited is that the great majority of Jews living in Turkey had escaped the Spanish Inquisition in Spain and had taken refuge in Turkey around 500 years ago. The Jewish people were burnt at stake and flayed alive and viciously persecuted by the advancing Catholic Armies. The Jewish community in Turkey had become prosperous as successful merchants and businessmen and were very influential in the Ottoman courts as advisors, treasurers and doctors. The Jewish people were looking for an opportune moment to take revenge on a Christian minority since they truly believe in an eye for an eye. So they used the chaos created by WWI in order to realize their plans.

 

The other reason being cited is that the Jews are mad at Armenians since they partly blame them for the survival of Christianity since the Armenians are believed to be amongst the first people who converted to Christianity en masse.

 

That is why to this day the Jews are reluctant to allow any comparison between the Armenian Genocide and the Holocaust and it is also being rumoured that they are blocking indirectly Armenian efforts to have the Armenian Genocide recognized partilcularly in the US.

 

I would appreciate any clarification and evidence and also your input on this issue.

 

All the best.

[Arpa]

Arpa,

 

WHERE do we start the Neo-Tondrakian movement???? I am ready, willing and able.

 

My next question to you is, "Which of the Apostles was not a Jew?"

Then the HELL with all 12 or 13 of them!

Why do you think I would rather not have anything to do with this idiotic Judeo Christian(what an oxymoron??) garbage.

[America-Hye]

Persian Friend,

 

Armenians are displayers of "Arrogant Christianity," a sense that they are BETTER because they are Christians. No doubt this agitated the Jews in the Ottoman Empire that they came in contact with, considering what Christians had done to them previously. There is also no doubt hat there was an intense rivalry between the Jews, Armenians and somewhat the Greeks.

 

However, the issues today are three-fold. Most Jews want to hold a monopoly on Genocide, scholarly Jews KNOW that it was the Doenmeh (hidden Jews) who were directly involved in the Genocide (an embarrassment for them) and present geo-politics. This is why most Jews conveniently forget that recent Turkish policies allowed a large shipload of Jews to sink in the Black Sea during WWII, drowning all aboard and the fact that many Jews died in Turksh forced labor camps during the 1950's. If the geo-politics changed, you would see a new friendship between Armenia and Israel. The present situation is all about interests. If the Armenians retook the Armenian highlands and offered the Israelis water, the Israelis would want to forge greater bonds with Armenia.

[Teutonic Knight]

Persian Friend,

 

Like I said earlier. You guys are pretty damn smart.

Read this article I found:

 

There has been a lot of revisionism or historical distortion in the so-called "Armenian studies" program in Jerusalem and elsewhere in the "west". The reason that Jews usually are interested in Armenian studies is to make the Armenians fit into their "view" of history. The first thing they try to do is to work as hard as possible to disassociate Armenians from Urartu/Armina. Berich Hrozny, an anthropologist from the early 19th century, fought tooth and nail to prevent his colleague's theory from being accepted, and he did so without much academic support. He used his clout instead and bullied the man out of the academic world. The man's name was Peter Jensen, and Jensen's theory was that the Armenians, the Hittites, the "Urartuans" et al were all ethnically Armenian! He was so convinced of this that he dedicated his first ever thesis on the Hittites to a lengthy comparison study entitled “Hittiten und Armenischen”. Subsequently, the Jews worked hard to protect their historical theories, mostly centered on the biblical landscape, which unfortunately for Armenians, encompasses Armenian territory. My suspicion is that if the truth about Armenians ever really did come out, it will cause a lot of commotion that will discredit much of the scholarship that has been going on thus far. And forget about the idea of the "promised land, the land of the Hittites, the Amorites, blah blah" if the Armenian presence in historical Armenia is placed beyond the 3rd millenium BC. For this reason and for this reason only has there been so much "interest" in Armenian studies.

 

Indeed fanatical groups and their fascistic religions do prevent them from being of reason, true reason, and for this reason they will do all to prevent the truth about us from coming out. Turks will probably never accept it that they are a people with primitive ideals. They still name their kids Atilla, Genghiz, Turgut... Would you name your kid after a known bestial butcher? The Jews will never accept that the very root concept of the "Chosen people" is inherently fascistic and racist in tone. Such is the landscape for now, but only for now.

 

As to the Urartu fiasco: Indeed the most adamant opposition to the acceptance of ethnic affinity between the Armenians, Hittites, "Urartuans" and other "ethnicities" cited in Eastern Europe has been by in large scholars of Jewish extraction. That is a pattern that cannot be ignored, and it has a clearly definable history to it.

 

For instance, the recent collaborative team of linguists, that of Vyacheslav Ivanov and Tamaz Gamkrelidze (indeed a Georgian who is a man of integrity it seems), who published their monumental works dealing with the origins of the Indo-European languages, were only opposed (obsessively it seems) by a scholar named Diakonov. Not surprisingly, the Russian Ivanov and the Georgian Gamkrelidze have concluded that, indeed, the origins of the Proto-Indo-European languages is not only most certainly in Armenia, but are more precisely located around the vicinity of Van. Also not surprisingly, Diakonov is a Jew. The main man in the US in support of Diakonov's theory is, none other than, Prof. James Russell of Harvard, who is, also not surprisingly, a Jew. It seems that they have a hard time breaking from their own ethno-religious paradigms and accept cold hard historic and academically sound theories and facts. It is more comforting for them to "re-write" as they please our history to fit their own desired pattern.

 

Jews are trying to say that Jews and Armenians are closely related but this is totally false and absurd (Armenians are Aryan and Jews are Semites) and the only reason they do this is to stretch their history further back than it actually is, while at the same time conveniently trying to shorten ours, to meet them "half-way" so to speak.

 

It must be noted that a "sudden surge" in Armenological interest arose during the first decade of the 20th century, and this "surge" was accompanied by a very vulgar and rabid anti-Armenian propaganda campaign concentrated mainly in Germany before WII and its Jewish academia. The paradigm of the day was that the "Armenian was a conniving filthy bastard" while the "Noble and Warrior Turk was the man of the year." Many noted (in those days) "Germans" (not really, guess who?) academics and members of the elite in general ABSOLUTELY COULD NOT ACCEPT THAT THE OLDEST ARYAN RACE, the Hittites, could have been in the remotest manner associated with the "mongrelic Armenians." The Rothschild family and its wealth is an unfortunate reality in our history, along with, I must say, the wealth and power of the Nobels, the Rockefellers (who were not necessarily Jewish), and other notable "robber barons". The political role that they did indeed play in the misfortunes of Armenians is very well known to virtually all, with the sad exception of the brainwashed "denizen" of the You Esh of Ay.

 

It must be stressed that the Rothschild’s did indeed have control of somewhere in the vicinity of 30% of Caspian oil (experts diverge as to the actual amount, but agree on fair approximations) at the turn of the 20th century. Yes, Zionism played a major role in the perpetration of the Armenian Genocide, and there is a huge library of evidence that supports this. The accused party will not ever admit to such guilt. Two criminals, fascist Turks and Zionists, will stick together in this game.

 

Yes, the unfortunate reality is that the "brothers in genocide" had in fact taken the side of Turkish imperialism with the hope of gaining the foothold in Palestine. That is only derived from simple logic. There is indeed a well-documented (first hand, by the way) account of the Zionist attempt at literally buying Palestine from under the "Sick Man of Europe" under desperate debt. There in the room had sat Amira Dadian, an advisor of the Sultan, who had absolutely warned the Sultan against accepting such an offer. In this same account, there is clearly listed names of individuals involved in the affair, but the preconceived notion of "the Armenian who likes to blame all but himself" is used to prematurely and quite unintelligently dismiss such fascinating possibilities of the workings behind the Genocide.

 

Read Christopher Walker's account of Theodore Herzl's participation in the Genocide. Read The Banality of Indifference: Zionism and the Armenian Genocide by Yair Auron. Read Dadrian. One of Dadrian's (first hand) sources reveals clearly that, indeed, Talaat (Turkey's minister of the interior at the time of the Armenian Genocide and the one who gave the actual orders) was a Jew. He was not merely "of Jewish blood," but was indeed very conscious of his identity. These are merely the (relatively) circumstantial pieces of evidence at hand. The more direct ones, one can consult any decent Armenian book store. The books are there to read. Yes, they are of eyewitness accounts of events that occurred during and just before the terrible period of Genocide.

 

As you will see, they are not only trying to keep the Genocide in the dark, but most of our history that predates theirs. It is crystal clear that we have been around way before their earliest record. Through the examination and analysis of new linguistic and archeological findings, they now think that the Armenians were native to their land since the dawn of history. According to at least one new theory, the point of origin of the earliest Indo-European tribes is Asia Minor itself, somewhere past 6th century millenium BC.

 

The ones who pretend to be compassionate to Armenians are indeed more than likely the "good cops." The real neutrals are not even interested in Armenians. They are ignorant about Armenians. Those who dig deep and get involved in Armenian affairs are more than likely meddlers who wish to merely throw herrings.

 

Over the past many years most Jews in prominent posts have been uttering and writing anti-Armenian comments. For example, every concocted anti-Armenian article written by a Turkish or pro-Turkish historian on the planet was being regularly published in the Jewish Times! As a matter of fact, nine out of ten pro-Turkish or anti-Armenian articles full of lies and distortions, particularly about the Armenian Genocide, is written by Jews and published in Jew owned newspapers such as the New York Times and we will be exposing them all, as it is one of the aims of this site.

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The Armenian Genocide was carried out by the "Young Turk" government of the Ottoman Empire. One and a half million Armenians were killed, out of a total of two and a half million Armenians in the Ottoman Empire. The Armenian Genocide was masterminded by the Central Committee of the Young Turk Party which was dominated by Mehmed Talat, Ismail Enver, and Ahmed Djemal. They were a racist group whose ideology was articulated by Zia Gakalp, Dr. Mehmed Nazim, and Dr. Behaeddin Shakir. None of this is important, of course, as the Armenians aren't Jews. There are no Armenian Holocaust museums. No TV Mini-Series. No two billion dollars per year sent to Armenia. No shakedowns of Turkish banks by Armenian lawyers. And no high school lesson plans devoted to the Armenian Holocaust. Turks aren't accused of 'Anti-Armenianism' if they don't like Armenians (The word doesn't even exist). And no Marxist Jews have written books explaining dislike for Armenians as a mental disorder. Of note is that linguistics and archaeological work increasingly suggest that Armenia is one of the most likely locations for the Indo-European homeland. That would make the Armenians a very special people - far more special than the wandering ethnocentric tribe from Judea.

-Wolzek's Terror Timeline: History of the Jewish Assault on the World

[America-Hye]

Furthermore, what originally piqued my interest into the origins of the Armenians, re: any Jewish antecedents, was my reading of the early disputes between the Jewish Christians and the traditional Jews. I postulated that if a large number of Jewish Chrisitans had assimilated into the Armenians, it would explain the underlying sub-conscious problems between these two peoples today. When I read that early Armenian Churches were found with the Star of David inscribed in the Church walls, this intensifid my interest. When Yepikopsyan found that Kohanim genes in Armenians to be one of the highest percentages found in non-Jews, this intensified my interest even further. There is something in the Armenian / Jewish rivalry which is similar to that of siblings.

[gamavor]

Most western historians "covered up" the Armenian history for political reasons. They KNEW very well, that the only Aryan nations in the World were Armenians, Greeks and Persians. All the rest are mix bags as you love to say (I mean ethnically). There is NO even slightes similarity between Jews and Armenians be it gentically or culturally. This is all propaganda that was in circulation for many years. That was the elegant way to cover up the Armenian genocide. The logic is simple. If Armenains are actually christian Jews why to compensated them when we already compensated the Jews for their suffering.

 

It is only empty headed people like you and bunch of other wellpaid "Armenians" that recicle lies over the net and in any possible way.

 

What rivalry? I love you, Moshe!

[Persian Friend]

Dear Armenian Friends:

 

I have some other questions to ask in order to quench my curiosity:

 

Do the Armenians primarily want to get recognition in order to receive monetary compensation or do they want to get recognition to have their suffering recognized as a principle?

 

How come the Jews have been able to benefit from the Holocaust in terms of acquiring immunity to criticism and impunity to act as they wish whereby the Armenians have not been able to draw any benefits at all?

The Jews who survived the Holocaust receive monthly restitution payments for their suffering or the suffering of their parents. There is also a book written by a Jewish author called the "Holocaust Industry". The Holocaust also motivated Jews to migrate to Israel and to accept all the hardships and dangers associated with living there.

 

Is your problem due to a lack of solidarity and organization? Are you being constrained in your activites in any palpable way?

 

How come the so-called powerful and industrialized Christian countries are not willing to grant the same kind of recognition to the Armenians? Is it only because the Christians feel guilty for what they have done to Jews and this guilt complex prompts them to give lots of attention to the Jewish suffering in order to rehabilitate themselves in their own mind? Or is it the fact that the Jewish-owned media and financial institutions are firmly controlling these Christian countries?

 

Thank you for your time.

[gamavor]

Sorry I missed some of the posts. As to the Apostles. At least 4 of them were Greek. Many other followers of Christ were Greek not Jews. Take for example the name Steve, Stephan, Stefan. The only place you can find reference for it is the Bible. Steven was stoned to death by his "fellow" Jews in the outskirts of Jerusalem for being Christian. Stephanos, or Stefanos is a Greek name that predates the Bible with at least millennia meaning crown if I'm not mistaken or aureole.

About the David star. I'm pretty sure, because of your age you cannot count probably. You remember you were claiming that Tigran's crown has 6 angels. You were wrong. They were 8. Not all stars in the world are Jewish, although most are:) Octagon later on became the symbol of the Orthodox Christians.

But lets say that you are right. Lets agree that there were David's Stars in an Armenian Church. So What? Most probably that means that the stone masons were Jews, just like Armenians marked many of their buildings with Armenian and even Greek or Latin inscriptions.

[America-Hye]

Persian Friend,

 

If we take off the table Armenians getting paid for their suffering, we still have land, bank accounts and other property confiscated from the Armenians. I think it would be justified that restitution of this property is in order. The suffering is also important, but to what real end would admittance to this augment?

 

 

As for immunity to criticism and impunity to act as they wish, not only are Jews let off the hook but Hispanics and African-Americans. You can not believe how far adminstrators look the other way in an office setting whne any transgression involves one of these groups. Armenians and Persians, on the other hand, are under intense scrutiny.

[Arpa]

OH!!!

Eureka!!

I just got it!

You see how stupid I am!

Armenians are Mongolian Jews.

Remember the MamikoBagratunians?

Except that we only inherited the recessive genes. Instead of the fierce Mongolian one we inherited the meek one(aren't we blssed?), and instead of the cunning we inherited the naive one. How esle would we be the perfect model of that silly rabbit that runs so fast at start, is "first" in everything except that at the finish line even the lowliest totoise beats us.

Now if we could only convince everybody between TelAviv and Ulan Bator that they are also Mongolian Jews imagine what a big family we would have.

A-H, could you find us some other relatives? How about the Australian aborigines? We may have more common traits with them.

 

As to the last question of our FARSI DOST, as one can see reading some of the gobbledigook on this forum, (read the posts immediately above)Armeenians don't realize that the Genocide is unique and it require a unique approach, it is like no other before or after. It is very common to compare it to the Holocaust which the farthest from reality. Except that as in the beginning of this post, Armenians may run fast but they don't get there. Ehe the Jews got recogntition we said "how about us"? When the Jews got reparation, how about us? When the Jews built their museum, how about us?

The Genocide is unique. Everything aside, it happened in our very own ancestral lands. Besides our lives and property our land was confiscated. As to recognition and reparations, remember that Germany lost the war, had they not would there be recognition or reparation? Again it is easy to just recognize, apologize and pay some money. We have heard this from the very mouth of a Turks. Anybody remeber what Ali said day after day that; "Recognition, apology or even some token reparation was not the problem, the problem is the lands". I can probably find his exact words.

 

The Jewish model does not apply to us. We have to find a unique way as our case is unique. And badgering the Jews, trying to shame them to back us besides being tantamount to spitting in the face of a whore, has already backfired when they are telling to get the hell off their backs. If we could only hear and read between the lines.

[America-Hye]

Gamavor,

Aryan is a LANGUAGE term. It is not a term for genetics. Armenians are similar to their neighbors, including the Semites. Just look around you in an Armenian setting and then tell me that you do not see Semitic faces in the Armenian crowd