meow Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 A bigger kitty: THERE ARE SOME 8-12 CAUCASIAN LEOPARDS IN ARMENIA: DATA OF ZOOLOGISTS YEREVAN, NOVEMBER 3. ARMINFO. Population of the Caucasian leopard which is on the verge of disappearance is restored in Armenia, WWF Representative in Armenia Karen Manvelyan told ARMINFO that in conformity with different calculation of zoologists in Armenia, there are some 8-12 Caucasian leopards in the country, with the biggest of them has a 2 meter length and weights 90 kg. Restoration of the leopards' population in Armenia is carried out under the program of WWF, which allocated $16,000 for its implementation. Manvelyan said that under the program, measures are taken to estimate the zone of leopards' inhabitancy, and groups combatting poaching are formed at Shikahogh forest reserve, Syunik region, Armenia. Manvelyan said that restoration of the population of leopards is closely connected with population of Bezoar goats, moufflons, toe deer, wild boars which are also on the verge of disappearance. Manvelyan said that a forest reserve "Arevik" is expected to be created for protection of the leopards at Zangezur mountain range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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neko Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 VANCAT.ORG is a new website that intends to document the long history of the true Van Cat, a history that has in recent decades been unjustly appropriated by breeders of "Turkish Vans". There seems to be no mention at all of cats with "Turkish Van" patterns prior to their "discovery" (i.e: "invention") in the 1950s. Before that date, all accounts seem to only mention the all-white Van Cat. In order to provide further evidence for that assertion (or to disprove it) I am looking for old, pre-genocide, Armenian and Russian accounts that have mentioned Van Cats. Arpa, can you tell me the title, and publication details, of the book from which you got the 'The fluffy white cats of Van' quote from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neko Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 Nothing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted December 20, 2006 Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 VANCAT.ORG is a new website that intends to document the long history of the true Van Cat, a and Russian accounts that have mentioned Van Cats. ====== Arpa, can you tell me the title, and publication details, of the book from which you got the 'The fluffy white cats of Van' quote from? Sorry Neko for the delay. I had not forgotten you. It took me a while to refresh my memory and remember where I had seen the above quote. I had seen it in the original Armenian version of Hayots Mayraqaghaqner@. I just initiated a renewed thread about the subject where the first entry is VAN. However that cyber version is much abridged and that passage, among many is omitted. I still don’t know which of his works is the quote taken from. Here is an entry in Wikipedia. I will not cite the URL as it seems it is not an Armenian site. You can use “Sergei Gorodetsky cat van” as your search words and see . “Van cats mentioned in passing by the Russian writer and poet Sergei Gorodetsky, who was in Van on a humanitarian mission in 1917. "Wide open, misshapen holes in place of windows and doors. Fetid air smelling of burnt flesh. And suddenly awful howls of starving dogs. Feral cats with dirty frazzled furs. And, more ruins, heaps of ash, charred walls, endless, with no mercy..." He also wrote: "The trade unions of Van had representatives not only in the eastern countries, Turkey and Russia, they could also be found as far as in Manchester and Hamburg. They sold the artifacts of the highly talented master artisans of Van, and even, as mentioned in the periodical Mourj, the fluffy white cats of Van that were universally famed.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted December 20, 2006 Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 Sorry Neko for the delay. I had not forgotten you. “Van cats mentioned in passing by the Russian writer and poet Sergei Gorodetsky, who was in Van on a humanitarian mission in 1917. "Wide open, misshapen holes in place of windows and doors. Fetid air smelling of burnt flesh. And suddenly awful howls of starving dogs. Feral cats with dirty frazzled furs. And, more ruins, heaps of ash, charred walls, endless, with no mercy...” My original translation as seen a few posts above. "Wide open , misshapen holes in place of windows and doors. Fetid air smelling of burnt flesh. And suddenly awful howls of starving dogs. Feral cats with dirty frazzled furs. And, more ruins, heaps of ash, charred walls, endless with no mercy..." Compare it to the entry in Wikipedia. WOW! I just noticed. I’ll be… SOB!! See for yourselves . If it is not the exact replica of mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neko Posted December 21, 2006 Report Share Posted December 21, 2006 See for yourselves . If it is not the exact replica of mine. Of course it is an exact replica of yours, since it was taken from your post containing the translation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted December 23, 2006 Report Share Posted December 23, 2006 pison, pison mlavan, tavriz@ toghets, paxav van, lezun tatxan, yerkar poch, inchvor uzets, asin voch... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted December 23, 2006 Report Share Posted December 23, 2006 pison, pison mlavan, tavriz@ toghets, paxav van, lezun tatxan, yerkar poch, inchvor uzets, asin voch... ...փիսոն գնաց գողեգող, փորը դատարկ, սիրտը դող, դունչը մեկնեց կովկիթին, շերեփն իջավ ճակատին։ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neko Posted December 23, 2006 Report Share Posted December 23, 2006 pison, pison mlavan, tavriz@ toghets, paxav van, lezun tatxan, yerkar poch, inchvor uzets, asin voch... Which, at a guess, means something like Kitty, kitty, from Van, ?? And the rest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenak Posted December 23, 2006 Report Share Posted December 23, 2006 Which, at a guess, means something like Kitty, kitty, from Van, ?? And the rest? The meowing kitty Left Tabriz, fled to Van His tongue wet, his tail long Whatever it wanted, they said no It rhymes and makes more sense in Armenian I guess. My translation is probably off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 ...փիսոն գնաց գողեգող, փորը դատարկ, սիրտը դող, դունչը մեկնեց կովկիթին, շերեփն իջավ ճակատին։ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 http://www.sendspace.com/file/z1punh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 http://www.sendspace.com/file/z1punh thanks a bunch... hadn't heard this version before... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 thanks a bunch... hadn't heard this version before... Խնդրեմ: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenak Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 Who is that singer? What do you guys think of this: http://www.myspace.com/mariammatossian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neko Posted December 27, 2006 Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 (edited) This is a recently published Turkish book about the Van Cat. Can't seem to find anywhere that sells it though! The author is Fuat Odabasioglu Edited December 27, 2006 by neko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neko Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 Even Armenian stamps show the wrong cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neko Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 But Turkey gets it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenak Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 Van Cats article from Tour Armenia Central: http://www.tacentral.com/features.asp?story_no=6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neko Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 Van Cats article from Tour Armenia Central: http://www.tacentral.com/features.asp?story_no=6 It is mostly just more "Turkish Van" propaganda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neko Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Quote from here: http://www.hayes-ent.com/pairodocs/standard.htm References to Van cats are found in common sayings in Armenia. The first Secretary of the Communist Party in Armenia (1930) was ardent in his political beliefs, and it was often remarked. "He is as red as a Van cat's tail!" True, or just an invention? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pergrouhi Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 Not those so-called "Turkish Vans" you find in America. http://mysite.freeserve.com/virtualani/cat1.jpg http://mysite.freeserve.com/virtualani/cat2.jpg Since May the first this year the solid white Turkish Van can be shown in championship in TICA. A breed article you can download in pdf from: http://www.turkishvancat.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johannes Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 (edited) «թրքական վանի կատու» կամ՝ «վանի թրքական կատու» Բերկրուհի, բերկրանքս չքացաւ Edited August 6, 2007 by Johannes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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