My cousin is dating other race!!!

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Richard,

 

Your age and sex, as well as the location were obvious. It was also obvious that you have a problem getting laid. But don’t worry, and just polish your manners. It will come Just kidding.

 

By the way, you have a habbit of capitalizing your sentences. Why are you yielling at the forum? We try our best not to increase our voice, here...

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Dear OAA,

 

You can apply this option as well, if your sister and her date are still around: you can officially reject her being your sister. No sister, no trouble.

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RaffiAharonian BArekam im > indz jisht haskatsek- yerb 4 amsva @edhatskum tasnyak angamner nuyn mard@ tarber andzats het / tarber temaneri shurj / xosaktsutyun@ vijabanutyan e hasnum yev vor@ verchanum e irar tarber tesaki anuner yev HAyhoyank urrelov, chem kartsum hajeli e voch indz yev voch el myusneri hamar.

Yerb Garon stipvats e 2 shabatva @entatskum 10 aveli tarber POST`er@ jnjel , voronk pativ chen berum voch mez yev voch el azgin Hayots. yev verchum kochvelu Stalinyan- sharj u dzev unetsor mek @?

 

de hima asa tesnem um merrkn e yev inch imast uni iys andznavorutyan@ 12rd angam hnaravoru talu vorpesi normal xosaktsutyun vary iyster .

Yurakanshurs mer Garapar@ yev aprelakerp@ unenk , yev petqe Karoranank Normal Mardkayin xosaktsutyun varelu , vijamanutyun kareli e inchu che CHAPI SAHMANERUM , yev voch iyn astijan vor stipvats linen ir gratsner@ jnjelu .

 

1 kam 2 angam vojabanutyun unenal@ patahakanutyun e sakayn iys depkum sovorutyun "xasyat"

 

kaseyi artaratsy es indz merradrelu mej sakayn barekam im iren arten isk bazmits@s angamner zgushatsvats e vor yete hajord angam sa patahi arants iylyev-iylutyan durs enk hanelu .

 

barekam im merradrenknert urrir jisht urrutyamb.

Movses

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Mj - Barev

>>> Why not to try not to fail in this forum, by first disciplining ourselves, and next by providing discipline, as well as basic education of soul and spirit here? Why not to have a rule of three strikes, i.e. if somebody insults somebody else first time, to bring to his/her attention that it is intolerable for this forum. When it happens the second time, give him/here a warning on termination. Third time - to terminate the membership without any other explanations. Something like this... <<-

 

Three strikes steve has 12 Strikes Garo has been asking him to be nice to the others for long time .

Hamamit em jamanak ar jamank bolors el mer emotsyaner@ rekavarel chenk karror Hye enk che Taqaryun yev misht vstah vor jisht enk mek yev miyayn menk

sakayn Norma goyutyun uni . yev da voch miyayn indz hamar e iyl boloris.

yes inks jamank ar jamanak chem masnaktsum tarber " topic"` neri chnayats vro kuzeyi im xosks asel , patjar@? iyn e vor cheyi tsankana vojabanutyan brnevel iys yev kam iyn andznavorutyan het .

mi dzerki vra 5 mat ka amen mek@ myusits tarber el ur mnats ashxarhi 4 ankyunerits yev tarber dastirakutyun yev tarber hasarakargi mardik heshtutyamb karoranan mi HAytarari gal.

Movses

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quote:

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Originally posted by Artur:
I can't even imagine my sister going out with someone. Thanks God!

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With SOMEONE ?!?!?!?! Hmmm ... Are we to assume that you sister is going to become a NUN???

Expecting an answer ~ Aneta

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Dear HyeForum Members !!!

 

This is my point of view on the subject.

 

I, myself, think that Armenians should do their best to marry within the race and preserve the roots, the blood and the culture. But I also realise that I have no authority whatsoever to press this view of mine on ANYBODY (be it my sister, cousin, friend, etc.). I will not refrain from telling him/her exactly how I feel and give him/her the best advise I can ... BUT I will never allow myself to interfere in her/his personal decisions OR dissown her/him for the way he/she lives his/her life. I will only end up losing someone dear. That is what I have seen happen.

 

A

 

 

 

 

[This message has been edited by Sulamita (edited October 03, 2000).]

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First of all, there will be one guy for my sister, whom if i agree, she will go out! Second, there will never be boyfriends or whatsoever before the marriage... the topic like that makes feel very bad... if i only imagine my sister going out with someone, this only makes feel bad, it has to be very sirous man, who is very sirous about relations with my sister!!! If not then I swear to GOD, i would kill him but very slowly, so he can suffer a lot!!! :)) I will take the sins on me, but i will never allow anybody to use my sister!!!!! That's it!

 

Second, Girls ussually don't give advices to guys what to do, even though you are older than your brothers, so just leave "her" (not her/his) in your last posting.

 

Aneta jan, i feel very uncomfortable to argue subjects like that with armenian girls, our priority is to protect girls and to love you and make sure there will never be bad moments in your life, and yours is to be honest and dedicated to the only man, and to know how to cook of course :)

 

Artur

www.artur2000.com

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Artur jan, it looks like its time for you to get married!!!!!

You and Aneta would be such a lovely couple

(if she agrees of course!)

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Originally posted by Nvard:
Artur jan, it looks like its time for you to get married!!!!!
You and Aneta would be such a lovely couple
(if she agrees of course!)

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Ti chto izdevaeshsya? Da ona luchshe za kakogo nibud' Turka zamugh viydet, chem za menya! : ))
V ee glazax xughe armyana,chem ya, bid' ne moghet : ))))

[This message has been edited by Artur (edited October 03, 2000).]

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Artur jan ?

es inch hashiva ? es arten menk el enk qrfelov xosum ?

Niporyadno eto Maladoy chelavek !!!

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quote:

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Originally posted by MosJan:
Artur jan ?
es inch hashiva ? es arten menk el enk qrfelov xosum ?
Niporyadno eto Maladoy chelavek !!!

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????????
When did I swear??? You confusing my friend, i don't swear in the presence of Armenian girls!
Learn the russian first!!!


[This message has been edited by Artur (edited October 03, 2000).]

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Raffia and Gayanne

 

THANKYOU. You have taken the words right out of my mouth.

 

I have said this before and I will say it again. I feel nothing but absolute PRIDE and happiness about my armenian roots, about all of me. I think anyone with a drop of armenian blood can feel this, because, putting it simply, we are special.

 

But not so special for us, or ANYONE to be so special, to to hate races and cultures different to our own. Especially making threats of violence and killing online!!!???!!! I find that really quite scary they are being kept! Not only will people coming to the site get a bad impression of armenians , but I think that is dangerous considering all the racial murders going on all around the world.

 

Raffia, I know the internet is a phenominal and amazingly important inventon. Without it so many people would not even be able to communicate to each other. But with so much good inevitably there has to come an evil side. I dont know if anyone knows of the nailbombings that have have happenned in Soho, London? They were against certain communities and planted by a neo nazi called David Copeland. Two men and a newlywed bride were killed. How very tragic. Where did he find all the information to make the bombs? The internet.

 

Back on the subject I think it's time , that people just LEFT EACH OTHER ALONE. Stop trying to control people and let them live their lives. But some people dont want to listen.

 

Everyone has the right to choose and control their own lives. Whether you are a big brother or not, (I can understand the protection you feel: I have a big brother myself AND a ltlle sister an cousins) he loves me dearlyand would do anything to protet me but come on???? He would never even DREAM of even telling me who to see! !

 

And I wonder. Some say they would hate their little sisters to go out with anyone before marriage but it makes me wonder: do you really want to look out for her best interests or is it that you really want to control her? And who is to say her future husband will not marry her and then later on use her through the marriage. Perhaps I am wrong mabye i dont know what i am talking about. But then , perhaps not.

 

Sulamita,

I like the message you put here. Although I dissagree with your veiw not to mix I think it is big of you to know it would be wrong to enforce your opinions on loved ones. You are very smart.

 

In an way I can see what you are saying. I think there is nothing wrong with mixing but I beleive if you ARE going to it has to be a VERY stable marriage and background, and that both parents have to be there for the children and set positive examples from both cultures. That is what I should do in anycase.

 

C yas

 

Kazz

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Kazza, i don't even know if you are a girl or a guy. But, anyway, i am really tired to explain the things again and again to people who have the western mentality and think of the world in different way. Man, control, is not the word, i really care about my sister, I really love my sister, and she does not need to be explained about life, she knows everything by herself. I just don't want anybody make my sister unhappy in this world, if anyone does, then this person should not leave on this planet!

I am living in the family, where elders are always right, all my cousin sister brothers they all grown in this holy traditional way. We always want the best for them. Word control: i don't need that, i am her elder brother and she shows big respect to me.

Leaving thier lives? I think it is duty for every elder brother to make sure that his sister don't get into trouble or have some problems! Thus, there will never be problems before her marriage, and she knows that her brother is here to protect from all the worst in this world!

 

If you give too much freedom to kids, one day when you will try to reject something, trying to help them, they will say to you: Father or brother! I have my own life, and who are you to tell me what to do, this is my life!

And this is the worst thing that can happen: no respect to elders. Sorry, but that's what the outcome is.

 

Artur

www.artur2000.com

 

[This message has been edited by Artur (edited October 03, 2000).]

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I think the only way of avoiding making controversial and sweeping statements in such sensitive issues might be a little bit narrowing down the scope of the statements.

 

For example, if one thinks that it is wrong to marry a representative of another races, he/she may say, "I think it is wrong, and I will never marry another race," and who can force him/her to do the opposite? Similarly, if another person wants to marry or date another race, who has the authority to stop him/her?

 

After all, why even to argue about these personal subjects. Everybody may marry and date according to his/her heart and beliefs. As far as I understand, nobody in this forum is asking permission or advice, except perhaps the One Angry Armenian , who may one marry or date.

 

For the sake of the statement, so to say, if I would decide to marry a Turk or an Eskimos, I will not ask for an advice or permission. And would I care what another pseudo-moralist might think or say?

 

Why to make-up a problem first, and then to debate its solution?

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I can't get if we're debating morals or race mixture.

 

So, this is my point of view on race mixture:

 

I am a citizen of Armenia. "Armenian" is my nationality, ethnic name and it is also my "trademark". The company, which produced "me" is Armenia. Our company has copyrights on "me" so you can't duplicate or distribute "me" without asking permision. The illegitimate production of "me" is prosecuted by ethnic law.

 

I think the marrige between Armenians and Indo-Europeans is legitimate by our ethnic law, beacause we are also Indo-Europeans and in this case our company is making profit. Marriges with other races change the original product of our company, they change its essence, identification, chracteristics, as well as marketing opportunities.

 

I have right to protect the rights of my company.

 

Berj

Distilled and Bottled in Armenia

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Kotayk?

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Berj,

 

At least it is good to know that you would accept marriages of Armenians with black Indians, though, unfortunately you wouldn’t accept marrying Chines or Jewish. Good that Mamikonyans and Bagratounys have lived before your times

 

I, for example, am my own man. Nobody else owns me. As far as the illegitimacy of my reproduction is concerned, I am the law in that issue, so anything I decide is legitimate. And my personality is my essence – not my nationality, since I have control over my personality, while the control over my nationality belonged to my parents.

 

Since you are a liquid,I presume - beer, you have no rights It’s hot outside your bottle. Beware of evaporation

 

 

 

 

[This message has been edited by MJ (edited October 04, 2000).]

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MJ,

 

So, your lectures about ethics and forum discipline were just means of getting forum rating. It's OK. But don't fool yourself in the future I can call myself what I want, you don't have that right. You crossed all the personal borders I can imagine.

 

Black Indians of India are not Indo-Europeans. They are the race who lived in India before the Aryan conquest of North India. The pure Indo-europeans are consentrated in Punjab, Kashmir, Rajasthan and most of them are Sikhs and are also very, very white. The black Indians are the same race with Sri Lankan population.

 

Bagratounys' being Jewish is not yet proved. It's even very, very far from being proved. So don't strech facts out of their limits. I can accept that adding Chinese flavour in 2-nd century BC was my company's smart strategy, so in 5-th century it gave a good result. However 99,99% of the product was local.

 

I have been out of my bottle a lot. Outside it's much cooler than in our plant. When you get out of the plant you see that you have a good quality and the marketing is going easy. I saw the prodution of our plant spread all over the world enjoying popularity.

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Dear Berj, my dear friend,

 

I sincerely apologize if I have crossed your personal space. It has not been my intention. I just tried to contradict you in the humorists language you had introduced a message ago. If it was a bad humor, I am really sorry. I just wanted to tell you that in my view your previous statements go against your personal rights, of which I am not a denier but supporter.

 

All I wanted to do is to make a point that if you think you belong to your “company,” then it is the “company’s” prerogative to defend its “copyright,” not yours. Obviously, I don’t think this way, I think the opposite – you and everybody else have all the rights as it pertains to your/others’ life, and are the masters of your lives.

 

I didn’t even cross my mind to insult you, nor I needed ratings in the forum. After all, I am not profiting from these discussions, nor am running for an elective office. Those who are looking forward to high ratings, have a more assured way of doing it – just bash the Turks. Give me that much credit, please. Again, on this subject I have nothing else to add, but to apologize again.

 

On the subject of Bagratouny, unless I am going to question Movses Khorenatsi’s authenticity, and not to take his word for granted that he was ordered to write the history of Armenia by ishkhan Bagratouny, whom he apparently knew very closely, I have no reasons to suspect in Bagratounies ethnic origin. If you think what I said is a stretch, you should redirect your claims to Khorenatsi.

 

I think it is fruitless to argue about the genealogy of Indians in our forum.

 

As far as your quality is concerned, I have not a slightest argument with you on that issue. I don’t mean undermining your/our quality whatsoever. To the contrary, I expect all of us living corresponding to that quality.

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Since coming on the site last,and reading some later messages since my last, I have had a little think and in my last post I think I was bring up some things that werent REALLY so nesscesary or good to bring up. In one breath I was saying we shouldnt argue over racial issues and in the next I dragged up some stuff all over again. I am sorry. To Artur, I am sorry i said that stuff. It was out of order to judge you like that, especially as all big brothers want to do is look out for their sisters and family. It is all very natural! I might have not understood somethings it is true but it doesnt mean I had to jump in like that. Sorry! Honest!

 

Mind you. I have read the the new post recently , and I think some of it is really quite interesting. It made me think. I do think if we want to talk about racial issues we should do , but to keep it a bit more polite and calm than previous, and not get so heated up and feiry (myself included!)

 

Anyway. while i'm here I have have had a look at he lit section of this forum, and Garo put some poetry there, with reveiw and comments. Another person on it suggested that we should organise it, and have lots of different sections on authors, etc. I think this is a very good idea. If any one of you know of any sites on poetry literature, music, lyrics, biographies of high-profile famous armenians, I think it would really be helpful and good.

 

Also: things about what's going on in Armenia and the communities there?

 

Speak to you all soon take care.

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How Berj! Me injun too remember! Whoops, I forgot, you are talking about the other Indians!

 

Take care

 

Little-Big-Farsi-Crazy-Chief!

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Berj,

 

Probably we all here feel responsibility for our nation and country, otherwise it wouldn't make much sense to spend this much time in the forum. But all of us probably have their ways of feeling responsible, and have maybe different solutions. Non of us are the patriarchs of the nation, so let's grant everybody the right to proceed the way he/she thinks best suitable.

 

In my view, for example, when the country requires undermining the rights and interests of its individual members, that country cannot be strong, because the country's strength is in the strength of its individual members. After all, what means Armenia? It is not an abstract concept, or a map, right? I think it is us - collectively.

 

As far as Khorenatsi is concerned, I don’t remember him questioning the ethnicity of Kamsarakan or Khorkhoruni, or some others. But, on the other hand, I have read him about 20 years ago. I also don’t buy your argument that because Armenia didn’t have king in his lifetimes, his credibility can be questioned. If this was the criterion, then we should accept the credibility of only one historian - Pavstos Busand, whoes ethnic origin you may also question I think there is nothing surprising that a lot of Armenian noble families were of non-Armenian origin. This phenomenon was common also in Europe and Russia. Why is it not possible that indeed all of the royal families had foreign origin? I have no such information regarding the Ervandians, but Arshakuny and Bagratouny families surely had originated from foreigners. It seems like all accounts on this regard coincide. To me it is very acceptable, and doesn’t undermine my pride at all It also means that Armenia was an open society.

 

 

 

 

[This message has been edited by MJ (edited October 05, 2000).]

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MJ jan,

 

You know I like sarcasm and I will never get offended by that. If smb. does that to me what I do is I respect him. Let's leave aside why I responded in that way.

 

Yes, my statement underminds my rights. That's because I have responsibilities towards my country and ethnos.

 

MJ, by Movses Khorenaci not only Bagratounies and Mamikonyans, but also Amatounies, Kamsarakans, Gnounies, Khorkhorunies, Artsrounies weren't of Armenian decent. Some scientists say this was an order from major nakharar families to increase their nobility level, to be different from lower nakharar families. And note that all of them were engaged in fights for the throne. All of the stories on this families by Khorenatsi are leading to links with royal dinasties from abroad. He proves them to be relatives of Jewish, Assirian, Median etc. royal families, to have more chances for the throne. Because when Khorenaci was writing his "History of Armenia" Armenia did not have a king.

 

OK, let's leave Indians alone.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Half Breed:
How Berj! Me injun too remember! Whoops, I forgot, you are talking about the other Indians!

Take care

Little-Big-Farsi-Crazy-Chief!

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Hoooow Snake's Eye! Old Uncle Berj has a sclerosis. He only smells you Aryan blood.

Arayzh...I mean Ouwoo-woo-woo...

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MJ jan,

 

Probably we all do. I don't think talking on the forum proves that much. Our nation has always granted its representatives the right to proceed their own way, that's why we have so many parties, because every Armenian has a solution for Armenia. And every one is almost free to come up with new ones and implement them. That's the lack of "petakan mtatsoghutyun".

 

If Armenia is us collectively, than we must have collective thinking on at least one subject. Let me give you an example, go to the "Armenian poetry" thread.