Sip Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Cleanup done. Please try to stick to the topic. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 speaking of Armenian music, Sip have you heard the song avlem tapem poshin ha? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 No who sings it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 hay joxovrtakan klasic yerajshtutyun e da Sip jan. himnakanum yerqumen tund siraharvatsner@ yev moderators Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 (edited) No who sings it? I believe it's the great Aram http://www.armenianprelacy.org/images/asatryan.jpg Nice chesthair imo Edited March 31, 2004 by gurgen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-=VAHE=- Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Arams new song is really good but when does his album come out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 speaking of Armenian music, Sip have you heard the song avlem tapem poshin ha? tata does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 tata does Tata did what, sing the song or "khlvlal qu doshin"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud EXPAT Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 I agree IT SUCKS! When we talk about rabiz there are 2 kinds of rabiz though, the crap that is a cheap-ass interpretation of 2Pac and then there is the kef parhantes music which is the true rabiz. Sadly 95% of the second type of music sounds completely like turkish and is just a threat to our culture. Tata does a great job at it though and is perfect for banquets. But like I said the rest is crap. Then of course there is the pop music which all sounds the same. The lyrics have nothing important or interesting to say and the music has got to be the flattest I have ever heard. 90% of the singers come from the same garbage school which is state owned and everyone is afraid to tell the principal who is ruining the lives of all these singers to get out. Its unfortunate for a race of people that were at one time known to be creative and tasteful, we really do suck right now. We either have amazing creative and on the edge artists, painters, actors, directors, singers, architects, etc, or we have complete crap. Another sad note most of the spyurkahis listen to the rabiz crap anyway, such as Paul Baghdadlian, Aram Asatrian and so on. I only wonder would everyone really give the time of day to Armenian artists who experiement with rock, rap and other music, sung in Armenian? I mean if it was done tastefully? Because they actually do exist here in Armenia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud EXPAT Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 To me the most Armenian music out there is by Komidas who has written some of our most popular folk music and Khatchadour Avetissian for creating the more modern traditional music. And of course there is Sayat Nova, another great composer of Armenian folk music. Of course we cant really say what is true Armenian but the composers I have mentioned sound distinctive and unlike the music of other cultures. The good thing is that we Armenians even have a few of our own instruments, where as the majority of other races out there, especially the western countries do not. We all know that when we hear the duduk we automatically think "ARMENIAN". When I here Turkish music all I can think of is what a concoction it is of Arabic, Armenian, Greek and a few other races. But no doubt the richest Armenian music out there and I really hope no one argues with me on this one are our hymns (sharakans). Yekmalian and Komidas have created some of the most beautiful hymns for us. Someone once told me that there are some cultures that represent a language of something, ie. the language of love belongs to the French. Armenia's language is the language of prayer. I have listened to the music of over 40 cultures and I have to say that our hymns are the most beautiful and emotional compositions out there. I have many friends who are not Armenians that love our hymns. So now the question is “what style are we going to be known for next?” Or is there no hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmMusic Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 I read each and every one of your comments. Here is my two cents: The problem with our music is fundamental. Many young musicians start off with best of intentions, but don’t take the time to learn enough about what makes our music authentic or to examine their interpretation of it. Once on the “wrong” track they don’t even think to get off. Alas, this is our cultural state of being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud EXPAT Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 (edited) Unfortunately with the black market over here the majority of these singers are not making any money and therefore resorting to singing music which appeals to the masses, rabiz. This way they can perform all the time in Armenia and around the world and actually make some money. The sad reality is that most of the diaspora only know of Tata, Nune and Ara Gevorgian from the dozens of artists that come from this country. Then of course there is Alla, Shushan and Hayko that mostly people who have been to Armenia, or have satellite know of. Nobody really listens to Andre, Hasmik Karapetyan, Sirusho, Arsen Safarian, Christine Bebelian, etc. These are our actual pop music stars over here. But why is it that nobody listens to them abroad that much? Then we wonder why these artists sell out and sing rabiz tunes. AND YES AZAT I AGREE THAT CASCADE DOES KICK BUTT. Edited April 1, 2004 by Proud EXPAT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 Many young musicians start off with best of intentions, but don’t take the time to learn enough about what makes our music authentic or to examine their interpretation of it. I think one important reason that the current Armenian masses have such bad taste in music is that we are lacking critics. We don't have music critics, art critics, etc., (and we don't respect a small number of critics that do exist). If there was a number of prominent critics that started to point out the flaws in today's Armenian pop culture then our singers would be forced to perform better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koko Posted April 2, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 (edited) Very good point you made ANOUSHIK! It's like this concerning everything in armenia today, if you have money you can do whatever you like. And there is little anyone can do to stop it.Just like they are ruining the architecture of armenia by building very ugly apartments. The man in power can do what in the world he wants, and it seems like he doesn't have to listen to anyone. Edited April 2, 2004 by koko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 How much worth do you guys put on critics? They rarely agree with me on what is good and what is bad so I tend to not listen to them. I mean for example they give a movie like dumb and dumberer two thumbs down So I think we are back to a topic which we have discussed in several shapes or forms but never found a good answer ... once I think Nairi said any dialect of a language is just as important of the language itself (Nairi, sorry if I totally misquoted you but that's how I understood it at the time) ... we also had a discussion on what is art and what makes something good art. So the new version of the question as I see it here is what is good music? The reason I bring up these two seemingly unrelated points is that in the end, the answer seems to be dependent on your perspective. And the only good answer I can give you is good music is what sounds good to me ... I think the listening masses serve as the best critics at times. They'll dictate what they like and don't like. For example, the Rabiz movement is not something led by the artists ... there is something deep within it that seems to appeal to a bunch of people and you just can't ignore that or try to make it go away. I think ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koko Posted April 2, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 (edited) Of course people have different taste, but when there are no choices but mostly only rabiz kind of music, one has to start questioning the hole industry of music producement. Edited April 5, 2004 by koko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 the end, the answer seems to be dependent on your perspective. And the only good answer I can give you is good music is what sounds good to me ... I think the listening masses serve as the best critics at times. They'll dictate what they like and don't like. For example, the Rabiz movement is not something led by the artists ... there is something deep within it that seems to appeal to a bunch of people and you just can't ignore that or try to make it go away. I think ... Sip, I don't agree with you. I think every individual in those masses has no preference of his own and just "goes with the flow". They don't really know why they like something or why something appeals to them as long as everyone else says it's good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 Oh, and I wanted to say that this is how the quality of the arts and culture diminishes. In music uneducated people listen to something and shrug their shoulders and tell each other "I guess it's all right" and the next thing you know everybody starts agreeing that whatever they're listening to is pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 Oh, and I wanted to say that this is how the quality of the arts and culture diminishes. In music uneducated people listen to something and shrug their shoulders and tell each other "I guess it's all right" and the next thing you know everybody starts agreeing that whatever they're listening to is pretty good. TRUE! plus rabiz is kinda moving out of style again.. lately more and more people join me in laughing at the "rabiz" aperros in the way they act, the way they dress and the "bavonce aperr" attitude.. LOL.. As i was walking through the halls of my brothers HS, burbank HIgh, i couldnt help but laugh at the kids who think they are all cool getting in fights, calling eachother on cell phones to notify thre friends of fights.. arguments.. its hilarious.. one cant help bu tlaugh . lo.l.. its nothing personal though its just funny.. and these are the people who shurg and say "eh i guess its good" and BOOm.. everybody starts to say the same then thigns escalate.. lol.. BUT.. sure one can argue its a mtter of taste and pereference... ehh i duuno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-=VAHE=- Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 Wow we need wise people like you to help in getting rid of guys whos lives depend on looking cool by fighting and who also combine fighting with talking on their cell-phones. Give me a break don't put that stupid rabiz label on the kids who talk armenian slang and whatnot. Just because they don't fit with your terms doesn't mean they're wrong. The funny thing is you probably do all that laughing behind their back. But thats a different subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 once I think Nairi said any dialect of a language is just as important of the language itself (Nairi, sorry if I totally misquoted you but that's how I understood it at the time) Sometimes a dialect is more important But yeah, you paraphrased it pretty well As for critics, I think we all prefer critics who agree with us But I also agree that the commercial world is really downplaying people's tastes. I'm thinking of a program like Idols for instance. It practically swept the whole world, but what is the standard of the singers on that show? Despite the very low standard, millions of teenagers seem captivated by it. Will we ever have an Idols in which the standard is what a standard should be? I wonder... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koko Posted April 2, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 Yeah, its the direct result of capitalism. The one who has money, can get away with anything. All they are intrested in is making money, not to show or try to learn people what good quality music, or culture is. People with bad taste gets into buissness, just to make money, they dont care how it sounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted April 3, 2004 Report Share Posted April 3, 2004 Wow we need wise people like you to help in getting rid of guys whos lives depend on looking cool by fighting and who also combine fighting with talking on their cell-phones. Give me a break don't put that stupid rabiz label on the kids who talk armenian slang and whatnot. Just because they don't fit with your terms doesn't mean they're wrong. The funny thing is you probably do all that laughing behind their back. But thats a different subject. angleren asum en CHILL!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted April 4, 2004 Report Share Posted April 4, 2004 Yeah, its the direct result of capitalism. The one who has money, can get away with anything. All they are intrested in is making money, not to show or try to learn people what good quality music, or culture is. People with bad taste gets into buissness, just to make money, they dont care how it sounds. Wel....duuuh IT's not only music you know.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmMusic Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 Yeah, its the direct result of capitalism. The one who has money, can get away with anything. All they are intrested in is making money, not to show or try to learn people what good quality music, or culture is. People with bad taste gets into buissness, just to make money, they dont care how it sounds. The fact is, it's the Armenian CONSUMER that puts the money in their business "the rabiz market"... that's why they have money in the first place. Capitalizm has nothing to do with it, it is the UNEDUCATED/NARROWMINDED/IGNORANT consumer that fuels the jet that transports this garbage. This scene is a product and a reflection of existing groups among us. The only thing an average Armenian consumer can do is to simply support the music that we as Armenians can be proud of, and the rest will fall into its place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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