COSSACK1 Posted January 19, 2004 Report Share Posted January 19, 2004 The Armenian Massacre 1915 The first genocide of the 20th century is one that has gone by largely unnoticed. Still denied by many Turks, the Armenian Genocide of 1915-1916 accounts for the death of one and a half million Armenians in the Ottoman Empire. The first step in this annihilation was to disarm the Armenians in the army, place them into labor battalions and then kill them. Then, on April 24, 1915, the Armenian political and intellectual leaders were gathered and killed. Finally, the remaining Armenians were called from their homes, often in a house by house search. Many men were shot immediately or thrown into prison, only to be tortured to death later. The rest of the men, and the women and children were told they would be relocated, and then marched off to concentration camps in the desert between Jerablus and Deir ez-Zor. Here, they would starve and thirst to death in the burning sun. Prisoners were starved, beaten, raped and murdered by unmerciful guards. During the march, Armenians were denied food and water. They were driven along by the soldiers day after day, all on foot. They were beaten or left to die if they could not keep up with the caravan. The authorities in Trebizond, on the Black Sea Coast, sometimes loaded Armenians on barges and threw them overboard. Some of the women on the march were forced to strip naked and walk in this condition under the burning sun. Many other women were seized by Turkish officers or civilian officials and made a part of their harems. Others were sold in the market as were many children, but only to a Moslem purchaser. The Ottoman Government has tried to justify this crime against an entire race by making three main contentions; the first one being that the Armenians took up arms and joined the Russians as soon as the latter crossed the Ottoman frontier. The battle usually cited is the "Revolt of Van." The deportations were ordered only after this outbreak, according to the Ottoman Government. There was no Armenian revolt at Van, however. The Armenians merely defended the quarter of the city in which they lived, after it had been attacked by Turkish troops. The Turks even fired the first shot at Van on April 20, 1915. More importantly, deportations started happening on April 8, before any alleged revolts. The second contention was that there was a group of revolutionary Armenians who wanted to overthrow the Ottoman Government and deliver them into the hands of the Allies. Disarming, imprisoning, executing and deporting a whole people helped to squelch this movement before it had fully started, according to the Ottomans. The third contention is based on revenge. The Armenian civil population in the Ottoman Empire suffered because of the Armenians volunteering with the Russian Army. These volunteers, however, owed no allegiance to the Turks at all. Through territorial acquisitions and free immigration, Russia had acquired sovereignty over less than half of the Armenian race by 1914. The Turkish government today denies that there was an Armenian genocide and claims that Armenians were only removed from the eastern "war zone." The genocide, however, occurred all over Anatolia (present-day Turkey), and not just in the so-called "war zone." At the time, the genocide was condemned by representatives of the United States, British, French, Russian, German, and Austrian governments. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bibliography. Bryce, James Viscount, Arnold J. Toynbee, Herbert Adams Gibbons, Ambassador Henry Morgenthau, Fridjhof Nansen, Eds. An Anthology of Historical Writings on the Armenian Massacres of 1915. (Lebanon: HAMASKAËNE Press). "The Armenian Genocide." http://www- scf.usc.edu/~khachato/index1.html "The Armenian Genocide: Its Most Valuable Lesson." Holocaust Studies Center. http://www.bxscience.edu/orgs/holocaust/edguide/2.html "Fact Sheet: Armenian Genocide." (April 3, 1996). Knights of Vartan Armenian Research Center. The University of Michigan-Dearborn. http://www.umd.umich.edu/dept/armenian/facts/genocide.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted January 19, 2004 Report Share Posted January 19, 2004 You can read the Toynbee papers here: http://www.cilicia.com/bryce/a00tc.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nasty Posted January 19, 2004 Report Share Posted January 19, 2004 (edited) 1< >>> 1.500.000 armenians were killed OH MY GOD What a catastrophe Mr.COSSACK1 contrary to your thoughts,publishers of the Ana Britanicca were fed up with you armenians.They published before 25 years that 500.000 armenians were killed. after,750 after 1000,now 1,5 millions, tomorrow it will be 2 millions. they will want that Armenians decide regarding numbers. besides May I remind you innocent people killed and villages burnt down by Hinchak and Tashnak bandits real inhabitants of the Kars are not living today (like karabaq)owing to armenians. Thanks to Armenians 2<>> I surely remember that Armenians Bandits have guns supporting russia <<<>> Be carefull because that`s true.We killed two faceds of them. . 3<>> The bandits searched volunteer soldierswondering house by house 4<<>>> if you know "genocide and massacres" then you will click as following site do you know how innocent turkswere killed in Van by your ancestors?? www. armenianreality. com/massacres_i...acre_in_van.htm 5<< The authorities in Trebizond, on the Black Sea Coast, sometimes loaded Armenians on barges and threw them overboard. >>> of course I am sure that The authorities are greek. 6< >>>> Mr.COSSACK1 which revolution and revolutioners do you talk about?????? can you tell me??? meanwhile you made very good " copy and past" 7>e third contention is based on revenge. The Armenian civil population in the Ottoman Empire suffered because of the Armenians volunteering with the Russian Army. These volunteers, however, owed no allegiance to the Turks at all>>>> which civil population?????They always supported "bandits" of course clandistenly. after How can Citizens of the Ottoman empire (armenians) dare to participate in russian army to fight against Ottoman Emperor ????? 8-<< We do not deny because there is a ghost and We don`t believe "GHOST" 9-<<< At the time, the genocide was condemned by representatives of the United States, British, French, Russian, German, and Austrian governments. >>>>> if turks have majority of USA,RUSSIAN etc.. we will see"condeming " May I remind that george bush didn`t use "genocide" word.besides Everybody knows that most of Western nations agreed for only vote meanwhile if you make "copy and paste " you will use this site www. armenianreality. com ok??????? I Edited January 19, 2004 by Sasun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted January 19, 2004 Report Share Posted January 19, 2004 Nasty, do I (or any other member of this forum) have to wash away every 'argument' you have with a single sentence again? Or do you realize that the site you're quoting from is Turkish propaganda? You should really look inside yourself and ask yourself whether it is right what you are doing. With bs like this you're disrespecting the forum, every survivor and the whole Armenian people. But you could care less I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted January 19, 2004 Report Share Posted January 19, 2004 Gurgen, the guy is a turk..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nasty Posted January 19, 2004 Report Share Posted January 19, 2004 Dear gurgen forget 1915 and other events in my opinion You should think "peace" and repair ties between turkey and armenia". because 2004-1915=89 years have gone past. why are we not friend.??????? If we are friend,we will be giant of the region both sides. we can cooperiation in all fields (agriculture,culture,archeology,history,trade, etc...) we must left historians to history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted January 19, 2004 Report Share Posted January 19, 2004 (edited) Why we are not friends? Because your people write stupid websites like Armenian Reality. Excuse me for saying this but you must be a total moron. "We killed 1.5 million of your people. We continue to deny this. In fact, we turn the whole thing upside down and accuse you. Let's be friends!" Idiot. Edited January 19, 2004 by gurgen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted January 19, 2004 Report Share Posted January 19, 2004 Gurgen, the guy is a turk..... Yes I know. And? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nasty Posted January 19, 2004 Report Share Posted January 19, 2004 <<<>>> then we will consider cilicia.com and others. << >>> it was so politely << >>>> If you say one time " you turks can be right" then you will see "friend ship" but you cannot left to "DILEMMA" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted January 19, 2004 Report Share Posted January 19, 2004 Ignore, Abort, and DO NOT retry! Once a turk, it is for life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted January 19, 2004 Report Share Posted January 19, 2004 Hey Nasty, You are correct in stating that peace between Turkey and Armenia will benefit the WHOLE region. It will help Turkey open it's markets not only to Armenia but to the Turkish states to the east which surprisingly (other than Azerbaijan) are on better terms with Armenia than they are with Turkey. The dead are long dead and would have been dead by now. The families that never were born let us forget. Now to the NITTY GRIITY. Is Turkey prepared to accept Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, and Chaldeans as full citizens of their nation? If so, the property rights of the survivors MUST be honored. Are your industrialists in Istambul prepared to relinquish their mansions that rise high above the sea in the suburbs of Istambul back to the progeny of the Armenians from whom their grandparents stole them? Ditto the bank accounts fornm the Ottoman Imperial Bank. There can be no peace as long as these wealthy Turks hold on to these confiscated properties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted January 19, 2004 Report Share Posted January 19, 2004 <<<>>> then we will consider cilicia.com and others. << >>> it was so politely << >>>> If you say one time " you turks can be right" then you will see "friend ship" but you cannot left to "DILEMMA" Oh God it's like talking to a friggin wall. Gamavor, I can see your point now. There's no use trying to talk sense in this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 (edited) Dear Nasty, Your a moron...I hope the moderators delete your post because no one has the time to come and type pages of information just to prove to you that the Genocide occured when it is a already a proven fact. So let me just cut to the chase and detail you how its going to play out... STEP 1) Random Article on Genocide... STEP 2) Turkish Denialists come in with reasons as to why it is not a genocide... STEP 3)Armenians rebuttal with evidence and etc... STEP 4) Turks say evidence is forgery... STEP 5) Armenians rebuttal bring more evidence and etc... STEP 6) Turks say its all false... STEP 7) Armenians finally convience Turks that a Genocide has occured... STEP 8 ) Turks state that they can not admit to Genocide because what makes them Turkish is the Ottomon Empire and they would feel like losers if Armenian Genocide is true... MY CONCLUSION is that its a recurring cycle in which Armenians educate Turks on their history, but find out that their history is what makes them who they are. TURKS have the same stance towards Greeks, Cyprus, and etc...Every nation who has a dispute with Turkey is wrong and Turks are always right. They always try to find a justification for their actions, which is a sign of a nationalistic state and imperialistic future. Bottom line is do not waste your time replying to people like Nasty because at the end you still lose. "You can not argue with a moron they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience". Best, Vigil Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nasty Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 <<>> it is free that Armenians swear to turks on this board,but it is not free that turks swear to armenians. because if you describe a armenia as a "stupid" Dear Mosjan will warn you. this is interesting justice <<>>> I am turk.I am reading newspaper listening to TV every day in turkey.I know statemants of thoughts clubs. I did not fear it until now.I do not think that we will hear after today. ok Mr.Vigil??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nasty Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 < fear it will be "hear." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 it is free that Armenians swear to turks on this board,but it is not free that turks swear to armenians. because if you describe a armenia as a "stupid" Dear Mosjan will warn you. this is interesting justice People who make stupid comments by the thousands (like.........you) are sweared at, Armenians and Turks alike. By calling you a moron we are in no way insulting the Turkish nation my boy, only your obviously lacking intelligence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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