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MosJan Posted May 6 Author Report Share Posted May 6 it's very well organized even youtube TVs with four five cameras... f.. old is traying to return.... I respect this Srpazan, I've been praying with his prayers everyday,.. but the rest is a big question... it's very understandable that putin or putins salve's is the one behind all of this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Yervant1 Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 May 6 2024 Protesters against border delimitation in northeast Armenia march to Yerevan 6 May 2024 ByYousef Bardouka Archbishop Srbazan leading the march. Screengrab via News.am A group of people from the village of Kirants are marching to Yerevan in protest against the process of border delimitation with Azerbaijan. The Tavush for the Motherland group, consisting of around 100 people, left Kirants on Friday, led by the leader of the Diocese of Tavush, Archbishop Bagrat Srbazan, and is expected to reach the Armenian capital on Thursday, according to RFE/RL. ‘There is a place where they will walk, there is a place where we will go by bus, if the metro works, we will take the metro, we will go by car, we will lie down, we will sleep’, said Srbazan. ‘We will go as we want. This movement arose naturally, and it is going naturally’. Local residents in Kirants have expressed fears that the delimitation process would divide their village between Armenia and Azerbaijan, as based on a preliminary map of the delimited border, several houses and lands and a recently built school would fall on the Azerbaijani side of the border. Others have raised concerns that a closer border with Azerbaijan would raise risks of Azerbaijani attacks. Azerbaijan and Armenia agreed to begin the long-delayed delimitation of their shared border on 19 April in the Tavush Province, prompting condemnation and protests from people living in border villages in Armenia. ‘This process must be stopped, our demand is very clear’, noted Bagrat Srbazan. On Sunday, the leader of the Diocese of Shirak, Archbishop Mikeil Ajapahian, expressed his support for Tavush for the Motherland movement and Bishop Srbazan. ‘I fully support Bagrat Srbazan's course, I want you to know. Beyond this, everyone can decide for themselves the extent of their participation, or follow the instructions or directions that I may give, today, tomorrow or another day. Those who do not wish to obey my dictates unconditionally may feel free. And those who are expecting certain instructions and directions from me will receive them in the near future’, said Ajapahian. While RFE/RL reports that the situation is now calm in Kirants, the village has seen several clashes with police as they successfully blocked several major roads since mid-April. Last week, Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan held talks with representatives of the village in Yerevan, promising to offer them ‘solutions’. However, the village’s representative at the meeting refused to give extensive details as to what the government would do in response to their protest. ‘Nothing has changed, it remains as it was, there has been no change,’ said Gohar Vardanyan, a resident of Kirants. Asked why the representatives of the village appeared agitated, Vardanyan said that it was because ‘people will not live there [anymore], in Kirants’. Thirty protesters were arrested in Kirants on 2 May, all of whom were later released. The road to the village was closed the same day, with entry blocked to all except for residents of the village. Restrictions on entering the village were lifted on the evening of 3 May. https://oc-media.org/protesters-against-border-delimitation-in-northeast-armenia-march-to-yerevan/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Yervant1 Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 May 7 2024 "Behind the movement against the borders demarcation – Russia and the 5th column of Armenia." Opinion JAMnews Yerevan Movement against demarcation in Armenia The movement “Tavush for the Sake of Homeland” in Armenia demands the halt of the border demarcation process with Azerbaijan, both in Tavush and elsewhere. Under the leadership of Archbishop Bagrat Galstanyan of the Tavush Diocese, hundreds of local residents began a march from the border village of Kirants to Yerevan on May 4. Participants of the action declared that they are heading to the capital to “demand answers.” Representatives of the ruling party emphasize that the movement participants do not make any political demands. As parliament speaker Alen Simonyan stated, it is unclear what process is even being discussed. “Are we a theocracy, a religious state? What are we doing? And if it’s not a clergyman speaking out, but a citizen, then he should come up with a proposal. When someone says they are against demarcation, they should present their proposal as a counterbalance,” he told journalists. Political analyst Gurgen Simonyan sees the protest movement as problematic. Not because it is led by a clergyman, but because Russia and the local “5th column” stand behind it, using “appropriate technologies and can exploit any situation for their own purposes.” On April 19, Yerevan and Baku announced that the commissions of the two countries on demarcation had agreed to bring the border in the Tavush-Gazakh section in line with the “interrepublican border existing at the time of the collapse of the USSR.” Armenia agreed to transfer territories of four bordering “non-enclave villages” to Azerbaijan. And in the Tavush region, 40 border posts have already been installed. At the same time as the demarcation/delineation process in Armenia, protest actions are taking place. Residents of the Tavush region believe that the authorities are making unilateral concessions that create problems for their security. Prime minister Nikol Pashinyan recently stated that an undemarcated border is a cause for conflict with Azerbaijan. “That’s why we’re starting demarcation from areas with the highest conflict potential,” he said on Public Television. Is Armenia making unilateral concessions? Yerevan and Baku agree on border delimitation Territory in exchange for peace: Will Azerbaijan refrain from a new war? Bashkend – an enclave abandoned for 32 years “This is not a fight between good and bad” The “Tavush for the Sake of Homeland” movement began its march on Saturday, May 4. Participants of the protest action are already in the Gegharkunik region and intend to reach Yerevan by May 9. Here, as they say, the protest actions will continue until the demarcation and delineation process is stopped. How they will achieve this is unclear as they do not discuss it. Meanwhile, parallel to their action in the Tavush region, the process of demining and demarcating the border continues. “This march will restore our honor and homeland,” Archbishop Bagrat Galstanyan declared the day before. The procession involves artists, relatives of the victims of the 44-day war in Karabakh, and representatives of opposition political parties. According to Archbishop Galstanyan, this is not a fight between “good and bad.” The movement’s goal is to “stop the unacceptable process of border demarcation.” When asked if the Holy See of Etchmiadzin, meaning the Catholicos, would join the movement, he replied, “The Holy See is always with us. The Armenian Patriarch himself is our father, the one who blesses us and guides us.” Relations between the Armenian Apostolic Church and the country’s authorities have become strained after the 2020 war in Karabakh when the Catholicos of All Armenians called for the resignation of Armenian prime minister Nikol Pashinyan. “There is no risk of a change in power” “I respect all of our citizens who hold different opinions, with which I may not agree. However, I have not heard any political demands,” stated the speaker of the Armenian Parliament in a conversation with journalists on Monday morning. In response to the movement’s demand to “stop unilateral concessions,” Alen Simonyan stated that Armenia is not making concessions but rather fixing its border based on legally binding maps. The speaker also mentioned that he does not see any danger of a change in power in Armenia: “A change in power in the Republic of Armenia is only possible through the results of parliamentary elections scheduled for 2026.” According to him, the Armenian people trust the delineation and demarcation process and do not view “certain church representatives as politicians”: “And the people understand that the church, God, the emotions we experience as Christians, and the individuals who serve political interests today are different things. I do not believe that the people of Armenia have lost their wisdom.” Additionally, Simonyan speculated that the movement is associated with former Armenian president Robert Kocharyan. Simonyan sees an “external trace” in this process, pointing to Russia’s interests in the region and the pro-Russian sentiments of Armenia’s opposition. About the head of the Tavush diocese Archbishop Bagrat Galstyan has been leading the Tavush Diocese since 2015. He is actively engaged in social activities and has established several socio-educational centers and leadership schools in the region. He is highly respected and trusted by the residents of the area. In the past two weeks, the archbishop has been actively involved in protests in Tavush villages where border demarcation is taking place. During this time, some media outlets published information claiming that he was allegedly involved in entrepreneurship, which was later refuted. Subsequently, the clergyman was falsely accused of “having two sons whom he exempted from military service.” This information was shared on their social media pages by some members of the ruling parliamentary faction. However, they later apologized, explaining that the source of their posts was publications in the press that did not reflect reality. Commentary The movement is supported by former Armenian presidents Serzh Sargsyan and Robert Kocharyan, who are not widely respected in society, notes political analyst Gurgen Simonyan. In light of this, he believes that the protest movement will not gain significant momentum. “Regardless of the issue the movement participants want to address, the list of involved actors alone is enough for the movement not to acquire a nationwide character,” emphasized the political analyst. He does not see a danger of establishing a theocracy in Armenia. However, he considers the involvement of Russia and the “5th column” problematic. Here lies, in his words, an “external influence”: “The Russian Federation wants to pursue an explosive and destabilizing policy in Armenia to bring to power forces that are more suitable and loyal to it. With their help, Russia intends to advance the military and political programs it needs in Armenia and in the region.” In the opinion of the political analyst, the head of the Tavush Diocese is an honest, patriotic individual who has been “drawn into political processes”: “The forces involved in the movement may simply be using his influence, based on their group or personal interests.” Gurgen Simonyan is confident that former presidents cannot rehabilitate themselves in the eyes of society as political figures, so they are trying to pass on the “banner of their aspirations to the church.” According to the analyst, the “catastrophic situation observed in Armenia’s domestic political space” is a consequence of the fact that after the “Velvet Revolution” of 2018, no lustration took place. The results of surveys show that only 7-14% of the population currently support the incumbent government of Armenia, and the “former retrograde forces do not even reach two percent,” says the expert. Those politicians rejected by society in 2018, he says, have no chance of returning to power, no matter how dissatisfied people are with the current government. Simonyan sees the need for the formation of a new political force that can win the sympathy of the people and become an alternative. https://jam-news.net/movement-against-demarcation-in-armenia/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Yervant1 Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 POLITICO May 9 2024 Armenian protesters vow to oust prime minister Demonstrators issue ultimatum for Nikol Pashinyan’s resignation and pledge to derail his push for a peace deal with Azerbaijan. BY GABRIEL GAVIN YEREVAN — Tens of thousands of protesters flooded the Armenian capital on Thursday, as opposition leaders called for the prime minister to be removed from office over plans he says will bring peace with long-time rival Azerbaijan. Dressed in white robes and speaking from a stage on Yerevan’s central Republic Square, prominent Archbishop Bagrat Galstanyan issued an ultimatum to PM Nikol Pashinyan, giving him an hour to resign. After the deadline expired it was extended by 15 minutes, which also passed without a public response from the prime minister. “As he has not reacted, he has shown he despises and rejects those who elected him,” Galstanyan told the crowd. “We will force him to do it.” The clergyman called on the Armenian parliament to begin the process of removing Pashinyan, and vowed acts of “peaceful civil disobedience” would follow if they did not. He opened the protests with a rendition of the national anthem and a recital of the Lord’s prayer. Riot police with metal shields and helmets formed a line between demonstrators and the government building that houses Pashinyan’s office, as well as reportedly around the parliament. As the crowds grew the National Security Service, Armenia’s domestic security agency, urged the protesters to remain peaceful. “Any illegal behavior that threatens the constitutional order will be neutralized using all the tools defined by the law,” it warned in a statement. ‘Vulnerable model’ Pashinyan announced earlier this year he intended to hand back four border villages that are inside the internationally-recognized territory of neighboring Azerbaijan, but that have been occupied by Armenia since the 1990s. According to the reformist leader, Azerbaijan had not agreed in exchange to return territory occupied by its own troops inside Armenia, but the unilateral move would help avoid another war between the two countries. A process of border demarcation, he said, would ensure future conflicts were avoided. However, residents from the villages, as well as opposition activists and supporters from Armenia’s surrounding Tavush region, began a march to Yerevan on foot last week. Galstanyan, whose church is in Tavush, led the column into the capital where hundreds were already waiting for them in the city center. While Galstanyan initially claimed the protesters were only demanding that the border demarcation process end, he later insisted that Pashinyan step down, alleging he had “completely failed in the management of the country.” Prominent opposition figures also addressed the crowd. “Pashinyan needs to go,” one middle-aged demonstrator told POLITICO, saying he preferred not to give his name as he feared reprisals. Asked who should take his place as prime minister, or how another leader would avoid conflict with Azerbaijan while still keeping the four villages, the demonstrator said: “Someone else will have a better plan.” Pashinyan has hailed the surrender of the four villages as a major step toward normalizing relations with Azerbaijan — the two countries have fought regularly since the fall of the USSR in 1991 — and respecting its international legal obligations. “We are reproducing the [legal] borders … at the time of the collapse of the Soviet Union,” he said last week. Earlier the same day, officials in Yerevan and Moscow confirmed that Russian border guards — stationed along Armenia’s frontiers with Azerbaijan since the 1990s — had been asked to leave their posts and begin withdrawing. In recent years, Armenia has frozen its membership in the Russian-led CSTO military alliance, which refused its calls for support when Azerbaijan launched an offensive against the country in September 2022. Under Pashinyan’s leadership, the country has instead held joint drills with U.S. forces, dispatched humanitarian aid to Ukraine, and even hinted it could one day apply for membership in the EU. Armenia’s opposition parties have been critical of the country’s pivot to the West, claiming historic ally Russia would otherwise defend their interests — despite the Kremlin growing increasingly deferential to Azerbaijan and its ally Turkey since the start of the war in Ukraine. Russian peacekeepers also failed to intervene when Azerbaijani troops and tanks rolled into the breakaway region of Nagorno-Karabakh last September. The mountainous region is within Azerbaijan’s internationally-recognized borders, but had been controlled by Armenia since a war in the 1990s. The sudden invasion, which followed an almost year-long blockade of the region’s supply lines, triggered the exodus of around 100,000 ethnic Armenian residents. “The model by which we have problems with our neighbors and we have to invite others to protect us — it doesn’t matter who these others are — is a very vulnerable model,” Pashinyan told POLITICO last year, while vowing to resolve Armenia’s long-standing and bitter strife with Azerbaijan. https://www.politico.eu/article/armenia-protest-parliament-azerbaijan-nikol-pashinyan/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 What alternate solutions do the protesters offer, just resign is not a resolution! May 9 2024 Thousands of Armenians demand prime minister resign over border villages dispute with Azerbaijan Thousands of protesters gathered in the Armenian capital, Yerevan, to demand the resignation of Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan over his government’s decision to hand over control of border villages to Armenia’s long-time rival AzerbaijanBy AVET DEMOURIAN - Associated Press Yerevan, ARMENIA (AP) — Thousands of protesters gathered Thursday in the Armenian capital, Yerevan, to demand the resignation of Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan over his government's decision to hand over control of border villages to Armenia's long-time rival Azerbaijan.Armenia and Azerbaijan have fought two wars since the Soviet Union collapsed and Armenia said in April that it would return the villages to Azerbaijan. That decision came after Azerbaijan in September waged a lightning military campaign in Nagorno-Karabakh, a majority ethnic Armenian region inside Azerbaijan. That caused tens of thousands of people to stream into Armenia, sparking demonstrations as protesters called for the prime minister to be ousted.Protesters led by a senior cleric in Armenia's church walked a distance of around 100 miles (160 kilometers) from villages near the border with Azerbaijan to Yerevan where they gathered Thursday in Republic Square. Videos shared on social media showed thousands of people waving Armenian flags. A senior Armenian cleric said a prayer and told the protesters he gave Pashinyan one hour to resign, blaming him for the loss of Armenian territory.Archbishop Bagrat Galstanyan told protesters they should “engage in peaceful acts of disobedience,” if Pashinyan did not listen to their demands.Pashinyan visited Moscow Wednesday and held talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin amid spiraling tensions between the estranged allies. The meeting took place a day after Putin began his fifth term at a glittering Kremlin inauguration which the Armenian leader did not attend.Putin's spokesperson Dmitry Peskov was quoted Thursday by Russian state news agency Tass as saying the two leaders had agreed to the removal of Russian forces from some Armenian regions.In brief remarks at the start of the talks, Putin said that bilateral trade was growing, but acknowledged “some issues concerning security in the region.”Pashinyan, who last visited Moscow in December, said that “certain issues have piled up since then.”Armenia’s ties with Russia, a longtime sponsor and ally, have grown increasingly strained after Azerbaijan waged its military campaign in September to reclaim the Karabakh region, ending three decades of ethnic Armenian separatists’ rule there.Armenian authorities accused Russian peacekeepers who were deployed to Nagorno-Karabakh after the previous round of hostilities in 2020 of failing to stop Azerbaijan’s onslaught. Moscow, which has a military base in Armenia, has rejected the accusations, arguing that its troops didn’t have a mandate to intervene.The Kremlin, in turn, has been angered by Pashinyan’s efforts to deepen ties with the West and distance his country from Moscow-dominated security and economic alliances.While Pashinyan was visiting Moscow, Armenia’s foreign ministry announced that the country will stop paying fees to the Collective Security Treaty Organization, a Russia-dominated security pact. Armenia has previously suspended its participation in the grouping as Pashinyan has sought to bolster ties with the European Union and NATO.Russia was also vexed by Armenia’s decision to join the International Criminal Court, which last year indicted Putin for alleged war crimes connected to Russia's actions in Ukraine.Moscow, busy with the Ukrainian conflict that has dragged into a third year, has publicly voiced concern about Yerevan’s westward shift but sought to downplay the differences.Kremlin spokesman Peskov conceded Tuesday that “there are certain problems in our bilateral relations,” but added that “there is a political will to continue the dialogue.”https://www.lmtribune.com/world/thousands-of-armenians-demand-prime-minister-resign-over-border-villages-dispute-with-azerbaijan/article_83266897-2e91-5535-aebf-353bdaae0a51.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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