inchkachka Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 Voch mi ban chem haskanum!! Eis lezhun@ shat dezhvar e! When do you use "nra" and when "ira"? im kin@ shat sirum e nra dashnamur@ (correct?)(=loves HER piano) vs. Gnatsel enk ira het (correct?)(= we went with HER) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 (edited) "Ira" is not literary Armenian. It is perhaps derived from the pronoun "ir," which is a perfectly fine pronoun. "Ira" is just a bastardization of this pronoun. However, it is quite common in everyday conversations. Edited October 15, 2003 by MJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 (edited) I also have to add that in both sentences, your usage of the pronouns is inaccurate. You should not say "im kin@ shat sirum e nra dashnamur@" if you want to express the thought which is expressed in English below the Armenian version. You should say "im kin@ shat sirum e ir dashnamur@." Otherwise, it makes an impression that "your wife likes someone else's piano." In the second case, while you would hear such expression a lot, it is not proper Armenian. You should say "Gnatsel enk nra het," or "Gnatsel enk ir het." In general, it would be advisable to study the differences between the pronouns "sa, da, na." Edited October 15, 2003 by MJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 Also you should be aware that talking about how your wife likes other people's "dashnamur" could really give the wrong impression to some people (so an additional reason to watch out for nra / ir usage). Interesting info about "Ira". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 Voch mi ban chem haskanum!! Eis lezhun@ shat dezhvar e!i know this is not the topic discussed, but still i have to say.in your second sentence, the useage of լեզու [lezhu] is not correct.there is no such word as լեզունը [lezhun@] (sorry). ը [@] and ն [n] make the noun որոշյալ [voroshyal] as the in English. however, they are never used together.the proper way to say that sentence would be այս լեզուն [ays lezhun].in general, when the noun ends with vowel, you use ն [n]. when the noun ends with consonant and the next word begins with consonant too, you use ը [@]. when the noun ends with consonant and the next word begins with vowel, you use ն [n]. Ես սիրում եմ այս լեզուն: [yes sirum em ays lezhun:]Լուսինը դուրս եկավ: [lousin@ dours yekav:]Լուսինն իջավ սարի ետև: [lousinn ijav sari yetev:] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 i have a little doubt about what i said above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 (edited) Why? You gave correct explanations. Edited October 15, 2003 by MJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 Why? You gave correct explanations.it's just that after posting that message i thought that 'Լուսինը իջավ սարի ետև' sounds ok too. (or is it not gramatically correct?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 I don't think so. The correct way of saying it would be ÈáõëÇÝÝ Çç³í ë³ñÇ Ñ»ï¨Á: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varduhi Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 Voch mi ban chem haskanum!! Eis lezhun@ shat dezhvar e! When do you use "nra" and when "ira"? im kin@ shat sirum e nra dashnamur@ (correct?)(=loves HER piano) vs. Gnatsel enk ira het (correct?)(= we went with HER)Im kin@ sirum e "IR" dashnamur@--> Correct orinaki hamar ete du nkati unes ko kine sirum e urishi dashnamur@ ayt depkum klini,Im kine sirum e "nra" dashnamure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inchkachka Posted October 15, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 shnorakalutsyun bolorin Hayastanum bolor@ asum en "ira" voch te "ir" I may not speak well (though you are all helping!) but I do hear well :) So I am guessing ira, though colloquial, is common... like saying "asum a" instead of "asum e". I have a very hard time with the articles... probably got it wrong again above... these days I am happy if people can understand what I'm saying whether I get the grammar right or not Italeren@ aveli hesht er Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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