gamavor Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 (edited) Albania 500 Argentina 130,000 Buenos Aires ? Armenia 3,000,000 Austria 3,000 Australia* 59,400 Melbourne 7,000 Sydney 42,000 Bahamas ? Belarus 25,000 Belgium 5,000 Bolivia ? Bosnia-Herzegovina ? Brazil* 40,000 Bulgaria* 30,000 Canada** 80,000 Montreal* 50,000 Ottawa 1,000 Toronto 30,000 Chile 1,000 China 16 Colombia 250 Costa Rica 20 Ivoiry Coast 20 Croatia ? Cuba 100 Cyprus* 2,740 Czech Republic 10,000 Denmark 3,000 Dominican Republic 75 Ecuador ? Egypt* 6,500 El Salvador ? Estonia 2,000 Ethiopia 400 Finland 1,000 France* 450,000 Lyon 100,000 Marseille* 80,000 Paris 200,000 Georgia 460,000 Germany* 42,000 Ghana 15 Greece* 20,000 Guatemala ? Hungary 15,000 Honduras 900 Hong Kong 16 Kazakhstan* 25,000 Kuwait 5,000 Kyrgyz tan* 3,285 Hawaii, USA ? Hungary ? India* 560 Indonesia 10 Iran* 80,000 Iraq 20,000 Ireland* 50 Israel 3,000 Italy* 2,500 Milan 800 Rome 400 Venice 200 Jamaica ? Japan 10 Jordan* 51,533 Latvia 5,000 Lithuania 2,500 Luxembourg* 10 Kenya ? Latvia ? Lebanon* 234,000 Lithuania ? Luxembourg ? Mexico* 500 Moldova 7,000 Monaco 200 Morocco ? Netherlands 3,000 New Zealand 600 Norway 1,000 Panama ? Paraguay ? Peru ? Philippines 8 Poland* 92,000 Portugal ? Puerto Rico ? Quatar 150 Romania* 7,500 Russia* 2,250,000 Moscow** 450,000 St. Petersburg ? Saudi Arabia ? Senegal 15 Singapore 35 Slovakia ? South Africa 200 South Korea 12 Spain 1,000 Sudan 1,000 Swaziland 8 Sweden* 5,000 Switzerland* 5,000 Syria* 150,000 Tahiti ? Tajikistan* 6,000 Thailand* 1,000 Tunisia ? Turkey*(note) 2,080,000 Turkmenistan* 32,000 UAE 3,000 Ukraine 150,000 United Kingdom 18,000 London* 12,000 United States* 1,400,000 Boston* 50,000 Chicago ? Detroit 60,000 Florida (state) 25,000 Boca-Raton, FL* 2,400 Orlando, FL* 850 Fresno* (County) 50,000 Los-Angeles* 360,000 Miami* 1,000 New-York 100,000 Philadelphia, PA* 10,000 Phoenix, AZ* 2,500 Raleigh, NC 500 Richmond, VA 1,200 Seattle* 2,000 Tampa, FL* 1,200 Washington DC* 10,000 Watertown, MA* 10,000 US Virgin Islands ? Uruguay 19,000 Uzbekistan 70,000 Venezuela 2,500 Vietnam 8 Yemen ? Yugoslavia 10,000 Zaire ? Zambia 10 Zimbabwe* 28 http://www.armeniadiaspora.com/home/index.html I don't know how accurate the figures above are but I see dozen of states in the US who are not included which have Armenian population. Any comments? Edited August 30, 2003 by gamavor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 mmm, I think it would be closer to 40K (last I heard anyway). With 20K in Sydney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 Holland is close to 8000 now. So for every Armenian that moves here, one diminishes from wherever they migrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghos Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 I suspect the number is a bit high for Brazil, on the other hand go to any city in the countryside of the state of São Paulo, the largest and richest, and you´ll find an Armenian family. The interesting thing is that Armenians perhaps as a consequence of their "autonomous" nature quickly start to spread out after having concentrated on a particular place. I suspect that is true for most migrations but my suspicion is that the spreading out pattern for Armenians is wider and faster. Hence you´ll find Armenians in many seemingly unlikely places. "Armenia diaspora" or whoever should work on a more serious census of Armenians worldwide. I am sure figures will look interesting and new communities will appear from every corner of the globe. Watch for Armenians in China...seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph parikian Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 I know for sure that the number 51,533 in jordan is very very high it should be around 3,000About Iran the number was around 250,000 before the islamic clerics controled the countrey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caucasian Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 (edited) I heard that Armenians in Argentina are the immigrants from Kaeseria (Kayseri). There were old houses and churches. But I'm not sure. And especially Jordan in Middle East contains Caucasus-origin people inside. Royal family in Jordan are Caucasians and they had passed from Pinarbasi-Kayseri on the horses on the way to Caucasus from Jordan. A little information about the regions that Cauasians live (but not all) http://www.kafkas.org.tr/english/diaspora/index.html Edited August 30, 2003 by Caucasian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 Those numbers are bogus and many are certainly far from reality. I won't comment more on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caucasian Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 (edited) Then give me the real numbers... Edited August 30, 2003 by Caucasian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 How can you say this??? I say it, like I said it above... I will even not loose my time to show why those absolute numbers were just trown like that, here and there, without actual support or statistics based on something credible. Everyone can trow numbers like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph parikian Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 CaucasianThe number of Cherkez in Jordan is around 20,000The chechen around 5,000There is a small regiment of Cherkez guards in the royal palace where the King works and meet DegneteriesThey ware their Cherkez castumes with amunitions on their chest and the Gama 'a short sword' and on their head what they call CalpakTheir number is about 10 The late King Husains younger sister prince Basma was maried to a sarkasian his name is Taimur Daghistani but they devorcedWhere i was born in Jordan in a town called Zarka there was cherkaz and chechen and i had many of them as friends they are honest and good people and very loyal to the royal family they have high rank oficers in both the army and security forces " the police "A cherkez is the head of the intelgent " like the FBI in USA" another one is the head of the special forces in the Jordanian army Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caucasian Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 And Cherkesses have dominancy especially in investigation bureau and military in Turkey. And the best organizing minority with Black Sea residents (and Lazs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted February 14, 2004 Report Share Posted February 14, 2004 This is really interesting. Then again, why does all this matter, Armenians in the diaspora will be pretty much extinct in the next 200 years anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted February 14, 2004 Report Share Posted February 14, 2004 How is this calculated? Does it only include those who attend Armenian churches or are meber there Does it include ges-hyes? Does it include persons like myself who live far from Armenians? I know of Armenians, e.g. my relatives and my brother who are well-known internationally but are not known as being Armenian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
den_wolf Posted February 14, 2004 Report Share Posted February 14, 2004 Somehow I doubt the accuracy of these figures. 50 Armenians in all of Ireland? There must be something wrong with that figure. And what does the * signify? Los-Angeles* 360,000 :lol2: WOW!!! So 6000 in all of the United Kingdom minus London?!? I really don't know. I wouldn't say that there are a lot of Armenians here in Liverpool. And I dare say the numbers in Lebanon diminished significantly post-civil war. And: Canada** 80,000 Montreal* 50,000 Ottawa 1,000 Toronto 30,000 50,000 + 1,000 + 30,000 = 81,000 != 80,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted February 14, 2004 Report Share Posted February 14, 2004 China 16 This number is wrong. There are 32-35 and I personnaly know 17 of them. If this is any help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph parikian Posted February 14, 2004 Report Share Posted February 14, 2004 Publications 01-21-2002 Armenia: holy place or prism? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why does this small country on the edge of Europe, this little corner of South Caucasus interest us so much? We have never been enemies, frequently visited each other during the centuries, know each other and can show the place of each other’s country on the map. Armenia is not a Middle Eastern country, nor it had the development and progress of any nation of Mediterranean or Central Asian territory. Is it eastern or western, or is it a part of Asia Minor? Does it attract oneself with its spiritual and human saturation, history full of horrors, its unique capability to survive through any hardship, or with its distinctive way of building national fate? When taking a closer look at Armenia we see that two phenomena characterize and explain the strength and richness of relations between France and Armenia- countries which had big contrast of life in 20-th century. These phenomena are called ‘reminiscences’ and ‘insights’. Reminiscences First of the memories refers to the sphere of art. Recently we ran into different manifestations of Armenian art quite often: got acquainted with art of Urartu (ancient Armenian state, 9-3 cc BC), pieces of ancient works of which were displayed at the Dobre museum of Nantes in 1996, and admired the music of Dyusapen, which was brilliantly performed by Armenian singers in Yerevan in 1995– with French musicians’ accompaniment. Armenian miniature works and decorative art has always had many fans among French art-lovers, too. French and Armenian paintings, as well as our holy places and roman style constructions have many similarities, Armenian architects’ diplomas are valid in France and we applaud and get excited at the same moments when absorbing spiritual ‘food’. Another unforgettable impression from Armenia that amazes us, foreigners, is the family and social solidarity of its people, especially in the provinces. Another phenomenon, which stole my heart, was the extreme care and attention allotted to the children in Armenian families. And Armenian children, in their turn, are notable for their balanced sense of independence, open expressions and great respect towards the elders. The weightiest reminiscence about Armenia is of course the Christianity source. It embodies many positions in itself- striving for good, wish to share with others, respect of personality, search for knowledge, in short- Christian humanism. I felt how well I was received during church festivities in Holy See St. Etchmiadzin; I felt the Christian love atmosphere. Insights What I call ‘insights’ is a more ‘superior’ phenomenon. It supposes deeper understanding by the reader. If the concept nation always expresses one meaning, the same cannot be said about concept of state. Together with being united and centralized, as well as being a state with democratic spirit, Armenia still bears the deep influence of feudalism left from centuries long history. Having no statehood for centuries Armenians living in different countries of the world did not have the need to defend their state interests, but concentrated on preserving their religion, culture, traditions and personal rights. Nobody had to worship equality in Armenia, for brotherhood was rooted in their genes from the very beginning and freedom meant the greatest achievement to them. For judging the current Armenian-French relations, which are nowadays described as ‘surface active’, one should have life experience in Armenia. Here one learns to consider and evaluate the relations’ outcomes, turns and expectations. From the east Armenia learned the skill to negotiate and exchange in its wider sense, as well as reject quick, sharp and limiting conclusions. From Russia it borrowed the deep sense of science and philosophical outlook, confidence towards progress, and from the West- Christian individualism and belief in personal potential. All these differences and complexity of characterizing features explain the difficulties which arise during contacts with Armenian communities in foreign countries. As a result of centuries long splits none of the Armenians, no matter whether they live in Lebanon, Turkey, Iran or much further away from Armenia, can make a clear synthesis of anything, and this is exactly what creates misunderstandings and disagreements during the contacts with them. That’s why the inner-Armenian dialogue is itself a dialogue between civilizations. In order to find room for new civilizations in Armenia there is a need to help Yerevan and realize that it is difficult for it to get involved into the modern world. Republic of Armenia is an old civilization, but with new democratic values, which has a task to ‘nationalize’ its territory and nation in very difficult for the country times – in the atmosphere of foreign pressure and numerous problems. Armenia also has to get involved in international structures- without having corresponding branches in its territory. And Armenia has to achieve all this in the time of huge capitals’ circulation, launch of production volumes, markets’ globalization, border elimination, rejection of identity and regional and geopolitical tension. Working on two fronts is a very difficult task. And Armenians have to do it in the presence of such diversity of factors - of course without losing their national spirit. GazetaSNG http://www.hayastan.com/news/hayastan/csNe...iewone&id=3&op= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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