Yervant1 Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 How do the Germans feel about Turks today? Not so much I think! THE 20TH-CENTURY DICTATOR MOST IDOLIZED BY HITLERThe Daily BeastNov 26 2014Historians may credit Mussolini with inspiring Hitler's rise to power,but the despot called a different contemporary his 'shining star.'Adolf Hitler's obsessions, for he was a man prone to unhealthyfixations, were dangerous for the world--whether with himself, withart school, with his dreams of grandeur, with Eva Braun, with hishatred of Jews--or, more obscurely, with Turkey.To say that the roots of the Third Reich's rise have been thoroughlyexamined would be an understatement. Yet one element of Hitler'spower grab has largely been neglected--the importance of Turkey andMustafa Kemal Ataturk (or as Hitler called him, his "shining star")on the Fuhrer's thinking.In his exhaustively researched new book, Ataturk in the NaziImagination, Stefan Ihrig charts the outsized role that Ataturk and theNew Turkey played in the minds of Germany's Weimar-era far right--aninfluence that extended through the Nazi years. The Turkish Revolutionwas the most hotly-debated foreign issue in the early 1920's, andnot only did the Nazis model themselves after the Turkish NationalMovement, but Nazi leaders from Hitler and Goebbels were personallyentranced by everything Ataturk did.In the aftermath of World War I, Germans--conservatives inparticular--became consumed with the idea that they had been unfairlytreated at the Paris Peace Conference ('raped' is a word they oftenused), and stabbed in the back by supine bureaucrats and minoritiesin Berlin. Yet even as the Germans wallowed in bitter self-pity,another defeated superpower underwent a dramatic turnaround.When the last vestiges of the Ottoman Empire were dismantled by theAllies in the Treaty of Sèvres, modern-day Turkey was also choppedup, with large portions going to Greece and Armenia, as well as majorpowers like Britain, Italy, and France. However, beginning in 1919,Turkish nationalists--led by Ataturk in Ankara--transformed frombeleaguered underdogs into a determined force that beat back theGreeks, French, and Armenians on multiple fronts. Over a tough fewyears, they defeated the seemingly invincible forces arrayed againstthem--and, more importantly, they were able to negotiate a new treaty,the Treaty of Lausanne, in 1923, which established modern Turkey."In the eyes of a desperate and desolate Germany," writes Ihrig,"this was a nationalist dream come true, or rather something likehyper-national pornography."On June 29, 1919, German newspapers announced the previous day'ssigning of the Treaty of Versailles, which ended World War I andforced Germany to pay reparations and concede territory. Just two dayslater, the papers began what can only be described as a love affairwith Mustafa Kemal ***** (later Ataturk). Coverage of Turkey and itsswashbuckling leader would fill Germany's daily and weekly newspapers.Over the next four and a half years, the conservative paperKreuzzeitung would run a total of 2,200 articles, items, and reportson Turkey. The Nazi-affiliated Heimatland gave one-eighth of itsspace each week, from September 1 to October 15, 1923, to featureson Ataturk. Papers throughout the country would refer to Turkey asGermany's "role model." Nationalist opinion-makers would laud whatthey saw as Turkey's strong negotiating tactics--essentially 'give usall that we want or we will continue to fight'--and decried Germanacquiescence to Allied terms. Some, like the influential pastor andpolitician Max Maurenbrecher, even began to argue that if Germanshad fought for their freedom and borders like the Turks, they wouldnot be suffering the onerous conditions of Versailles. Turkey'srevolution was a "revisionist-nationalist dream come true, even afetishized version of it, because it had been achieved by the sword,in the field, with major battles, and many epic twists," writes Ihrig.In fact, Ihrig says, Turkey was to become a sort of Furstenspiegel forconservative Germans. A Furstenspiegel, or "mirror for princes," is agenre of literature that uses a distant story (either geographicallyor historically) to advocate for certain actions in the present.German conservatives writing about Turkey would praise its activemilitant role in forging its national destiny, and laud the ways inwhich Ataturk had come from Ankara, not Constantinople, to lead aunified volkisch movement. That Ataturk was from Ankara was important,because Hitler and his allies saw their movement as having strengthdue its roots in Munich, not Berlin. Later, Ataturk's life storywould be used to promote the importance of a Fuhrer.The popular understanding of Hitler's rise to power often points tothe influence of Mussolini and his march on Rome. In fact, arguesIhrig, "the assumed role-model function of Mussolini, mainly deducedfrom the later significance of Fascist Italy, has led many authors tooverestimate Italy" and as a result "few historians mention Ataturk aspart of the general pre-putsch atmosphere." In fact, as Ihrig pointsout, Mussolini called himself "the Mustafa Kemal of a Milanese Ankara"as he began his own power-grab.Ihrig argues that the two main Nazi papers, the Heimatland andVolkischer Beobachter, were promoters of the "Turkish methods" as earlyas 1921. The Nazis argued that brute force had been necessary forTurkey's independence, and, insidiously, they highlighted Ataturk'scrackdown on ethnic minorities and all of those who dissented. OneNazi ideologue, Hans Trobst, wrote explicitly about Turkey's "nationalpurification" of "bloodsuckers" and "parasites" like Armenians andGreeks; Trobst was later invited to meet with Hitler after the leaderread his writings on Turkey. Ihrig notes that Hitler's secretary wroteto Trobst in Hitler's name, declaring, "What you have witnessed inTurkey is what we will have to do in the future as well in order toliberate ourselves."This praising of Turkish aggression was laying the groundwork forHitler's Beerhall Putsch, in which he attempted, and failed, to seizepower in Munich in 1923. It was only after it failed, Ihrig contends,that Hitler saw it as necessary to go a more "legitimate" politicalroute like Mussolini. In his final speech at his trial, Hitler wouldalso point to Ataturk (and then Mussolini) as examples of why hisattempt at seizing power was not treasonous--it was, he said, for"the gaining of liberty for his nation."A decade on, in 1933, Hitler would tell the Turkish daily Milliyetthat Ataturk was, in his words, "the greatest man of the century,"and confess to the paper that in the "dark 1920s" "the successfulstruggle for liberation that [Ataturk] led in order to create Turkeyhad given him the confidence that the National Socialist movementwould be successful as well." Hitler called the Turkish movement his"shining star." In 1938, on his birthday, Hitler would tell journalistsand politicians that "Ataturk was the first to show that it is possibleto mobilize and regenerate the resources that a country has lost. Inthis respect Ataturk was a teacher. Mussolini was his first and Ihis second student."The German infatuation with Ataturk and Turkey waned after the BeerhallPutsch. Years later, after the Nazis had gained power and launchedtheir wars, Turkey resurfaced again--Nazi propagandists pointed toAtaturk when they argued for the necessity of a Fuhrer who was loyallyfollowed by his people without question, when they pushed the need forjust one political party and the obligation of national sacrifice,and when they argued for the necessity of cracking down on internaldissent in order to present a unified front against outside enemies.The German obsession was with Turkey was so rampant under the Nazis,in fact, that the German Ministry for Propaganda actually complainedin 1937 that positive coverage of Turkey was becoming "unbearable."Even as Hitler's obsession with Turkey was strategic, it wasalso deeply personal. While Ihrig does a thorough job of detailingGermany's historic ties to the Ottoman Empire--and even potentially itsinvolvement in the Armenian Genocide--it's the Nazi leaders' personalattachment to Turkey and Ataturk that is especially fascinating.Hitler, for instance, considered a bust of Ataturk by Josef Thorakto be "one of his cherished possessions" according to the Fuhrer'sofficial photographer Heinrich Hoffmann.He also gave unique prominence to Turkey in issues of state. In1934, just a day before Hitler's birthday, flags were lowered atthe headquarters of the SA (brownshirts) for the death of Turkishambassador Kemalettin Sami *****--and according to Ihrig, Hitlerhimself ordered what was essentially a state funeral procession forthe fallen diplomat.When Ataturk died on November 10, his death dominated newspapercoverage in Germany, despite the fact that it happened just a dayafter the infamous Kristallnacht.Joseph Goebbels was also a big fan of the Turkish leader. In 1937,Goebbels wrote in his diary: "A nice flight. While traveling Ifinished reading the book on Ataturk. A proud hero's life. Totallyadmirable. I am happy!" Then on October 21, 1938, the same day Hitlerordered the breakup of Czechoslovakia, Goebbels wrote that Ataturk'sdeath "would be an irreplaceable loss." The Turkish leader's healthhad been declining, but days later, Goebbels would write in almostintimate language, "Ataturk's sickness is very serious. But his bear'snature helps him to fight off an early end at this point."The most obvious connection to make between the Nazis and Ataturk'srule is, of course, the tragedies of the Holocaust and the Armeniangenocide, which took place before Ataturk came to power. While Ihrigdeftly dodges a debate over what exactly happened with Armeniansin Turkey, he argues that as far as the Nazis were concerned, whatactually happened did not matter. They believed that Armenians were the"Jews of the Orient" and that their deaths and suppression played akey part in the emergence of modern Turkey. In speeches, Hitler wouldconsistently refer to Armenians as being on the same level as Jews,and in one article he declared the "wretched Armenian" to be "swine,corrupt, sordid, without conscience, like beggars, submissive, evendoglike." Nazi texts proclaimed that the annihilation or expulsion ofthe Armenians was a "compelling necessity." The Nazis saw in Turkeywhat they wanted to see, regardless of how Ataturk and his fellowTurks saw themselves.Ihrig's book provides enough of a new angle on the Nazis to do theseemingly impossible these days--break through the abundance of bookson the topic. It is full of fascinating issues not covered in thisreview, most notably the ideological twists and turns that the Naziswent through in order to label the Turks as Aryan. Readers who pickup the book should not be deterred by the somewhat pedantic and dryopening chapter--the rest of the book is well worth the read.Today, Turkey in the German imagination has mostly to do withimmigration, assimilation, and EU membership. Ihrig has managed toshow how the relationship between these two centers of civilizationis far deeper, and far more fraught, than at first glance.http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/11/24/the-20th-century-dictator-most-idolized-by-hitler.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onjig Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Yervant, You find bit of information from here and there. If this one is true, it shows how dumb Hitler truly was. Altho, I did read of Hitler's Hye SS. And his plan to re establish Armenia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted November 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 I doubt Hitler was dumb, he was simply CRAZY!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Above we saw this Altho, I did read of Hitler's Hye SS. And his plan to re establish Armenia.See the rest here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenische_Legion Further along we see this. General Drastamat "Dro" Kanayan (a one-time leader of the Democratic Republic of Armenia[5]) led the legion,[7] and fought on the Eastern front** ---- During the course of the Second World War a number of Armenian soldiers, the vast majority of them prisoners of wars from the Soviet Red Army, joined specially-created battalions in the German Army. The Armenian and Georgian battalions were mainly stationed in the Netherlands as a result of Adolf Hitler's distrust for them, and due further to low morale and poor training, many of them deserted, defected or revolted.[1] The legion, like other Turkic and Caucasian forces formed by the Germans, has been described by one military historian as "poorly armed, trained, and motivated," and was "unreliable and next to useless."[2] The Israeli scholar Yair Auron has noted that Turkish nationalist efforts to thwart recognition of the Armenian Genocide have resulted in the dissemination of various Turkish propaganda publications in regard to the Armenian Legion aimed at portraying Armenians in negative light.[3]** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drastamat_Kanayan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onjig Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 Yervant, I think you are right, crazy. I was using dumb journalistically. Thankyou Arpa, I had read that some time ago and hadn't gone back to read it before reffering to it. Just googled and found a Orcish site calling Armenians Nazi, calling the Genocide false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashot Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 Personally I think we should delete all the pages that say there was no Armenian Genocide and not even share them anywhere and stop reading them... This is what happens... Post number 1 - Armenian Genocide 1915 - bunch of information following it 100 readers2 shares5 repliesPost number 2 - The Armenian Genocide is a false statement - bunch of information following it20000 readers600 shares45830 replies now my dears what do you think which post will go across the social platforms and which post will be read by non Armenians and what would they think is the reality??? I personally think that anti-Armenian posts should be ignored and left alone, have the night take over it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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