DOES DEUKMEJIAN HAVE AMNESIA?

[khodja]

So "The Duke" has decided that Riordan is not his cup of tea. How quickly the Duke forgets that his winning combination was fiscal conservatism and social moderation. This was also the winning combination for the man who followed him, Wilson, until Wilson decided to mimic Lungren, the man who got the Republican nomination after him, who lost the general election miserably. Who even hears Wilson's name mentioned today or Lungren's? Duke is still listened to because he is not tainted like the other two. The reason for this is that he was a moderate on the social issues as is Riordan. Given the climate in the California Republican Party over the last 12 years, I guess it is safer for Deukmejian to have political amnesia.

[Anshnork]

Hagarag-

So which candidate for governor are you supporting for the coming election in California? Are you a Republican?

[khodja]

I became a Republican so that I could support Deukmejian in the primary. I left the Republicans when Wilson took his sharp right-ward turn. I would have a hard time deciding whom to support if Riordan became the Republican nominee. I like Riordan a lot.

[Anshnork]

Hagarag-

I've had this question for a long time and I'm hoping you can answer it for me:

 

It seems like that vast majority of the Armenian population in America is either Republican, or has very conservative views. I find this really odd since the majority of most other immigrant groups tends to be more Liberal (Democratic). Why do you think this is? I don't think it's really about religion, since the African-American and Latino populations tend to be Christian/Catholic and they are more liberal.

[MosJan]

Hagarag jan No problem BArekam I Will became a Republican so that I con support YOU !!! 100% !!!

 

MOvses

[khodja]

Anshnork,

 

I am blind in one eye, have dyslexia and other learning disabilities which have limited my making use of my 180 IQ. I have never asked for any governemnt agency for help of any kind. This is inherent in our psyche. Armenian conservatism is based partially in our business orientation, partially because our native land was under a Communist regieme but primarily because of the views of our clergy. During the US Civil Rights Movement a number of Armenian Protestant ministers and some Armenian Catholic priests participated in the movement, but Gregorian clergy participation was close to non-existent.

[khodja]

Movses Jan,

 

When I was 21 I was on my way to becoming a public official. I personally knew members of the Kennedy family and close family members of a number of US Senators as well as high Democratic leaders. When Armenian Republican operatives discovered this, they made plans to sabotage me. Some Armenians at that time could not tolerate a moderate liberal Armenian officeholder.

 

At this point in my life I want peace. I will support you or any other Armenian running for office, Republican or Democrat, unless the are sit at the fringes of American politics or are hypocrites.

[Anshnork]

Inherent in our psyche? You do understand that almost ALL of the Armenian population in Glendale and throughout Southern California live off of Welfare, or Social Security, or some other sort of Government aid. It seems that Armenians are comfortable taking the government check, but don't support the political parties that make these programs possible.

[khodja]

Anshnork,

 

I must be in a time warp as far as how Armenian-Americans survive. My Dad was gainfully employed as an engineer, but we were considered financially at the bottom rung of Armenian-Americans. If what you say is true, Anshnork, then I can't understand why the conservative Republican Missakian pulled so many votes away from the Democrat ges-Hye Krekorian, to give the Democratic nomination in Glendale to Frommer. Missakian doesn't believe in continuing the government dole. Maybe I am an aboush America-Hye since I think that in America Armenians will vote according to the beliefs of American political parties and not the Armenian political parties.

[Raffi Gabrielian]

Inherent in our psyche? You do understand that almost ALL of the Armenian population in Glendale and throughout Southern California live off of Welfare, or Social Security, or some other sort of Government aid. It seems that Armenians are comfortable taking the government check, but don't support the political parties that make these programs possible.

 

Anshnork,

Perhaps you should consider what it means to be conservative. Maybe it's more then just an economical point of view. Armenians need to be very careful of what we do and do not support. Our safety and well being comes before any ideological BS. Do not pretend that we are the same as African Americans or Latino's. We are MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH fewer than any of these groups. It is (or should be to you) abundantly clear that our plight and our needs are very different from African Americans and Latino's and whomever else. Simply put, these so called "political parties" that we are supposed to support are not providing these 'services' for Armenians. Don't forget that. Do some Armenians take advantage of Welfare or Social Security? Yes. Do these politcal parties care about the Armenians in this country? I promise you that they don't.

 

PS, what ever happened to your shnork?

[khodja]

Semper Hye,

 

Do you know ANYTHING about the history of the Armenians in America? In Fresno, Armenians were not allowed to buy real estate in the better parts of town and were even removed from Protestant churches that they helped establish financially because the "White" people were not comfortable sitting next to the Armenians during Sunday services.

 

EVEN today we are not considered White by many Northern European Americans. You Conservatives fool yourselves. How many Conservative Republicans would welcome your son or daughter to marry their children? Only if you were a Kerkorian, Manoogian, Hovnanian perhaps.

[khodja]

Semper Hye,

 

What are the factors that YOU consider describe a conservative?

[Hyeflyer]

HagaragHow you have described yourself is as a undecided democrate with conservative tendencies.Or a independant with republican tendencies.Or just politically confused.

[MosJan]

politically confused :)that will be me

[gamavor]

Hagarag,

 

You won't be surprised if I say that I disagree with you. Lets put the things into perspective. You will be treated in the same way as you treat others. I know many Armenians who because of their pride won't be willing to sit next to these so-called "whites", because they 'martu degh chen tuner meg@ vor hye che', and believe that they are the only "whites".

While I disagree with such an attitude not only because it is rude and unethical I simply don't care who thinks what. Most of the time here in the states you will be judged by your individual virtues and that is what is counted. The rest are only excuses for those who have no idea what to do in their lives or simply are lazy and too selfish.

[khodja]

Highflyer,

 

I was a JFK Democrat in my youth, and stil am. The American political parties have undergone major policy shifts since 1960, but I have not changed much at all. I believe that every citizen should has the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

[MosJan]

pursuit of happiness, in -> POLITICS ?

 

naahh....not in POLITICS

[Hyeflyer]

HagaragIt seems no one looks at American polatics as it could and as I see it should be viewed.The government is a corperation and the elected official are the board of directors.You have the right to replace them every four years because of poor job performance.So wouldnt it be reasonable to be politically independent and say screw the party and do your dam job.

[khodja]

Highflyer,

 

I have been an independent and on occasion voted for Republicans. That was when the Republican Party was not dominated by a cabal of Crypto-fascists. When the Democrats were dominated by their left wing, I supported Republicans. The conservative Republicans are on a purge, either rooting out moderates, or if the moderate is too strong quietly executing them as they did the late California Assembly leader Doris Allen. Even murder is acceptable in the new Republican ranks in order to achieve their goals. They are on a Jihad and nothing or no one will stand in their way.

[Hyeflyer]

HagaragJfk was Bill clintons oldest brother:).I wouldnt have trusted either one around my daughters.If their wives cant trust them then how could the people of this country.I have seen them all come and go and no matter what party they are ALL the same .Hooray for me and f#$% you.I have seen the democratic party in action ,Look at the Daily familly.The sons are as big a ass as the old man was.The old man tried to have some of my friends and my head busted at their little Lincoln park party in Chicago.And who is the facists.The old man and his friend judge Hoffman were jerk off's and to tell you the truth NO-ONE misses thier miserable asses.The party doesnt matter they are all the same lepoard and have the same spots.The problem is polatics is ruining government.

[khodja]

Highflyer,

 

Do you know about Kate Summersby, Eisenhower's long-time mistress? Or how about the elder President Bush? It has been documented that he cheated on Barbara as well. As for Nixon, what woman other than his wife would want him?

 

There are darker skeletons rattling in the closets of many Republican families. Do you know anything about the younger daughter of the sitting Vice President or the two children of Ron and Nancy? Or the skeletons in the closet of Nancy's late mother? Look to the accomplishments of our public figures and not into this kind of stuff. Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

[Hyeflyer]

HagaragAs I said the party doesnt matter.DemocratRepublican its all the same crooked gang.Hooray for me and mine and screw you.That is why I say politics has screwed up government.The libritarians are looking good at this point in the game.

[khodja]

I see that you are a shrewd semanticist, Highflyer. I suspect that we are related, so your comment about "me and mine," may have no value. How sly you are to imply that moderates and liberals are not "me and mine," therefore impying that I am either not Armenian, or some kind of Armenian aberation.

[Hyeflyer]

HagaragI was not and did not mean to imply that you are not Armenian.What I was trying to get across to you was the two majaor partys have both been screwing the people for way to many years.They are all self absorbed pin heads.The people in governent that want to accomplish something are treated as heratics.They dont as the saying goes come on board or get with the pary program.I will repeat polatics has screwed up the American government.:)They are more concerned with personal gain then doing the job they were elected to do.Name me a polaticion who has gone through with a campain promise.

[Hyeflyer]

Hagarag The new defanition of polatics is=symantic gymnastics:)