khodja Posted September 16, 2001 Report Share Posted September 16, 2001 Has scrupulously buried the Catholic Armenian roots of his paternal grandfather, "Samuel Peck," a native of England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted June 13, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2003 Now that this great man has passed into the next life, perhaps the truth about his paternal grandfather, Sam "Peck" will surface. Perhaps his wife, Veronique Passani, who urged him to learn of the Armenians, his ancestors, and to learn the Armenian language in his middle age, will reveal this in a book about his life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph parikian Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Khodja jan The man was a great actor he lived 86 years never said anything about his Armenian ancestors .I dont think it means anything now if we fined he was Armenian or not .The man for some reason was ashamed of his Armenian roots , never help the Armenian couse by being an actor and use his position to educate the Americans and the rest of the world about the Armenians .If he denied being Armenian then he is not Armenian . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted June 23, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Hovsep jan, I have this phenomenon in my own family. I have very prominent cousins who deny their Armenian heritage and claim that they are French. Not Armenians from France, but French. It is not uncommon, A young woman from California wrote a book about her family where the same phenomenon occurred. Dickran Kouyoumjian, the famous English writer went by the name Michael Arlen, and stated, "Who would claim to be Armenian if he were not?"It took his son years to rediscover his Armenian heritage about which he wrote a book titled, "Return to Ararat." Just because the parent may have this problem, does not mean that the children will. This is the story on Peck: Very little was known about the paternal grandfather of Peck, an immigrant from England known as Samuel Peck. Peck's paternal grandmother, Catherine Ashe Peck Gilpin, was an immigrant from Ireland who became a successful businesswoman in Upstate New York. In 1886 she married this Samuel Peck in Rochester, New York. One year later, in 1886, Gregory Perl Peck was born. In 1887, the elder Peck died of pneumonia. Catherine Peck subsequently remarried to a man named Gilpin. Gregory Perl Peck learned little of his father's family overseas.  Catherine Ashe Peck sent her only son to pharmacy school. She later set him up in a business in La Jolla, California.Gregory Perl Peck married a young woman, Bunny Ayres from St. Lpouis Missouri. The marriage and the pharmacy business both soon failed. Young Eldred Gregory Peck was raised by his maternal Ayres grandmother while his mother earned a living for herself. Years later she married an Italian fom San Francisco named Massucci, who had Anglisized his name to Maysuch. Gregory Perl also remarried and had another son, David by his second marriage. The Armenian link surfaced only after the actor Eldred Gregory Peck, now known as Gregory Peck, married his second wife Veronique Passani. Ancestry is more important to the Europeans. She had his ancestry traced and, lo and behold, there were the Armenian roots. She urged him to learn about his partial heritage. He even took classes in Armenian. But by then his public persona was fixed and he didn't want to tamper with it. This is not uncommon in the industry he worked in. Cher passed herself off for years as a half-breed Cherokee Indian, never mentioning that her father was Armenian. She was from the younger generation where things changed after the movie "Roots" and there as more interest in one's heritage in America. Peck was from another era, saw what Arlene Francis Kazanjian had endured and decided to keep quiet. The perception of Armenians in California at the time was of arch-conservative Fresnans, so alien to his politics and anethema in the "industry." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted June 23, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 CORRECTION: Arlen, Jr. wrote book "PASSAGE TO ARARAT" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph parikian Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 Thats one of the resons why i love and respect Charls Aznavor dont you ??He is there when ever the Armenians need help . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyRoss Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Hi I'm new here ! And what about André Agassi ? How many times did he mention that he had armenian roots ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armo77 Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Gregory Peck Was Armenian? I never heard that one. b4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armo77 Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 (edited) Hi I'm new here ! And what about André Agassi ? How many times did he mention that he had armenian roots ? how many times has Cher? I am still waiting for Cher to sing at least ONE Armenian song out of appreciation to her Armenian Heritage. Edited December 23, 2003 by Armo77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armo77 Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 wait maybe I wouldn't want Cher to sing an Armenian song.. LOL can you imagine how terrible that would sound.. I mean she is a good American sings... but would be a bad Armenian singer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 i even heard that raymond burr (perry mason) has some armenian blood in him...as does princes di (1/64th armenian)...here's another bit of trivia: the army slogan "be all you can be" was written by an armo too!----and this is the strangest one of 'em all...you know the friends star courtney cox? well, i heard that her mom is persian!! i was shocked to hear that!! but after looking more closely at her features and the hair, i can buy into it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vika182 Posted December 25, 2003 Report Share Posted December 25, 2003  Do you knopw how much aid Cher has sent to Armenia, especially after the 1988 earthquake....a ton andre agassi is as armenian as you can be...he was on a tv special on pbs about armenians in america talking about his armenian childhood and how he loved eating armernian bbq and the bread at the bottom....etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vika182 Posted December 25, 2003 Report Share Posted December 25, 2003 "Who would claim to be Armenian if he were not?" i actually met a lot of people at system of a down events who told me they were armenians on the weekends....aka they wanted to be armenian....so F*ck ppl who deny it...my cousins do it too...my 1 cousin had armenian relatives who moved to greece before america and shed claim she was greek....its rediculous...i dont know why someone would deny being a part of one of the greatest nations in history Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted December 25, 2003 Report Share Posted December 25, 2003 If he denied being Armenian then he is not Armenian . I don't agree. You can't deny what you are. Words can't wash away the blood you have you know. You can say all you want, but if you're Armenian, then you're Armenian, whether you deny it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khazar Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 That's really funny, Gregory Peck looked EXACTLY like my dad at around age 25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 You should see a picture of Gregory Peck's father, who was 1/2 Armenian, 1/2 Irish. A typical Armenian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 Also get Cher's autobiography and take a look at the picture of her fater, John Sarkissiian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyRoss Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 Can u show us these pictures please, or do you have any hyperlink ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 I do not have the photos. Cher's dad's you can find in her recent autobiography. Peck's Dad can found in his biographies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyRoss Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 Nevermind, thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 Yeah right! Is Binladian Armenian too? Grigor Ipekian is Armenian just as Yeghisapet Dertsakian (Elizabeth Taylor) and Hovannes Vayinian (John Wayne). :) :goof: What is most ridiculous is that even if we believe that old Greg is Armenian where is his Armenian surname? We may want to know that "ipek" is not an Armenian word it is tu tuu tuuu Turkish. The hell with him. An Armenian is he/she who says so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 Oh! I forgot to add that Saddam is Armenian too. :saddam:Â He is the cousin of this; http://www.agbuca.org/theater/bio.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 arpa, Believe what you wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dat-ka Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 HEY, I JUST CAME BACK FROM GEORGIA (MY GRANDMOTHER IS STILL THERE), AND THEY PROVE THAT HE WAS OF GEORGIAN DESCENT, AND HIS SURNAME WAS NIZHARADZE. THE ARMENIAN MYTH CAME FROM THE FACT THAT HIS ANCESTORS WERE FROM GEORGIA (THERE ARE LOTS OF ARMENIANS THERE). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 I should have figured it out!! If he was not Pavian, must have been Shimpadze! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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