gamavor Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Jews and Turks - the best of friends and allies at each other throats? Who could imagine this? The world is getting back to normal, I guess:)))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Jews and Turks - the best of friends and allies at each other throats? Who could imagine this? The world is getting back to normal, I guess:))))I do not believe they were ever friends, just symbiotic mutualism. Now turkey believes it's better not to be seen as friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 ANALYSIS: THE WEST UNHAPPY WITH NEW TRANSFORMATIONS IN TURKEY'S FOREIGN POLICYNaira Hayrumyan ArmeniaNowMay 31, 2010 Politics Dividing lines are emerging between Turkey and the West, marked byTurkey's nuclear energy deal with Iran and by its efforts this weekendto use its ships to break Israel sea blockade of Gaza. The process of Turkey's disengagement from pro-Western forces wasclearly manifested when in January 2009 at the World Economic Forumin Davos Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan accused Israelof occupying the Palestinian-administered Gaza Strip. Then, just this weekend, Turkish vessels set off from Istanbul to breakthe Israeli blockade of Gaza from the sea, ending in intervention bythe Israeli military that left at least 10 dead Monday morning. But the main discontent of the West is connected with the initiativeof Turkey and Brazil on Iran when earlier this month Ankara announcedthat it was ready to provide enrichment for Iranian uranium. U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton responded to that developmentby saying that there are "very serious disagreements" over Iran'snuclear program and added that there are very serious differenceswith the diplomacies of Brazil and Turkey towards Iran. On Tuesday, June 1, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu willleave for Washington where he is expected to hold talks with the U.S. secretary of state "to defuse the Turkish-American tensions." The West is not satisfied with the Turkish policy on Armenia either. In fact, the process of the ratification of the Armenian-Turkishprotocols has come to a standstill, and Western countries have approvedof Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan's decision to suspend the process. The Turkish premier also had to cancel his trip to Argentina aspart of his Latin America tour because of the Armenian factor. TheTurkish Foreign Ministry said that although the Buenos Aires AutonomousAdministration had been granted permission to erect a monument to thefounder of modern Turkey, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, it was canceled dueto an "unfriendly initiative of the Armenian circles." Western experts think that "Turkey is becoming an immediate concern." In a much-talked about article in The American Thinker, Joel J. Sprayregen writes: "...The transformation of Turkish foreign policy increasingly presentsa clear danger to American interests. The 'zero problems' foreignpolicy of AK Foreign Minister Davutoglu advertises friendliness withproximate neighbors. In practice, this means allying with rogue statesIran and Syria (whom even President Obama recently saw fit to designatea state sponsor of terrorism). Worse, Turkey now embraces terroristmurder squads like Hamas and Hezbollah and fetes their leaders ashonored guests. Turkey hosted Sudanese President Bashir, who is underindictment for crimes against humanity by the International Courtof Criminal Justice. Turkey's new alliances have left in tatters-butnot yet completely dismembered-its traditional military alliance withIsrael," the article says. "A country with a worldview that demonizesresistance against terrorism is a problematic member of NATO... Ourofficials are hardly aware that -- while Erdogan and Obama havefulsomely flattered each other -- Erdogan uses his controlled mediato incite populist hatred of the U.S." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted May 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 So all these years of warm friendship were just convenience marriage? I don't think so. The end result however is that Turkey successfully managed to ridicule and morally challenged the Israelis like no one before. Judeo_Anglo_Saxon_Turkish silent triumvirate is put on a test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 So all these years of warm friendship were just convenience marriage? I don't think so. The end result however is that Turkey successfully managed to ridicule and morally challenged the Israelis like no one before. Judeo_Anglo_Saxon_Turkish silent triumvirate is put on a test.Yes I do believe so, that it was a con marriage one needing a muslim friend in the middle east and the other needing a strong lobby in the USA. The word "yahudi" is an insult word used just like the "Ermeni" in turkey. turkey has given up on the west, because they coudn't get the "pants" from the west in order to look western. The west knows turkey looks good in "shalvar" and it will never fit into the western lifestyle. Therefore turkey wants to be the best in the area instead of being a low class westerner. Why you think turkey is getting closer to the Arab world and Iran? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 (edited) Yes I do believe so, that it was a con marriage one needing a muslim friend in the middle east and the other needing a strong lobby in the USA. The word "yahudi" is an insult word used just like the "Ermeni" in turkey===To quote one of the great modern philosophers Kojak (Telly Savalas) - “Who loves you baby!?” The answer- NOBODY.Let us see what our great prophet Raffi said. At the time they were talking about the murderous furkish police and the kurdish robbers- “ՇՈՒՆԸ ՇՆԻՑ, ԵՐԿՈՒՍՆ ԷԼ ՄԻ ՏՆԻՑ” /“A dog is a dog, they’re both from the same house”.LET DOG EAT DOG. WE THROW A DOGGYBONE AT THEM.ՇՈՒՆՇԱՆՈՐԴԻՆԵՐ!!http://www.virginmedia.com/images/rottweiler-431x300.jpg Edited June 1, 2010 by Zartonk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted May 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Why you think turkey is getting closer to the Arab world and Iran? Well, I guess Turkey wants to be independent state:)We have to admit that they played their cards brilliantly.They managed to convince the world that PKK are terrorist, they managed to get away with our "allegations"(their "intellectuals" were morning together with the Armenians on April 24), they agreed to let popular vote decide on Cyprus (through masquerade elections in the occupied part of the island), they brokered a deal with Iran (saving Iran's face), abolished visa regime with the Russians, thus their expectations for revenue from tourism would remain high (unlike the EU who are slow on everything), have signed a nuclear deal with the Russians and agreed on Southern stream pipeline construction. Now Americans and Europeans can go to sleep...or better go back to the barn with tails between their legs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 Well, I guess Turkey wants to be independent state:)We have to admit that they played their cards brilliantly.They managed to convince the world that PKK are terrorist, they managed to get away with our "allegations"(their "intellectuals" were morning together with the Armenians on April 24), they agreed to let popular vote decide on Cyprus (through masquerade elections in the occupied part of the island), they brokered a deal with Iran (saving Iran's face), abolished visa regime with the Russians, thus their expectations for revenue from tourism would remain high (unlike the EU who are slow on everything), have signed a nuclear deal with the Russians and agreed on Southern stream pipeline construction. Now Americans and Europeans can go to sleep...or better go back to the barn with tails between their legs!Everything you said is true! But I do not believe they convinced anyone, every other country is after their interests just like turkey. As far as I'm concerned it's all politics and who said that politicians don't lie, they will do and say anything in order to get a bebeficial deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) How will this “accident?” be covered?Look at the cover up from 43 years ago.===http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ussliberty.htmlAlleged in Probe of USS LibertyA former Navy attorney who helped lead the military investigation of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that killed 34 American servicemen says former President Lyndon Johnson and his defense secretary, Robert McNamara, ordered that the inquiry conclude the incident was an accident. In a signed affidavit released at a Capitol Hill news conference, retired Capt. Ward Boston said Johnson and McNamara told those heading the Navy's inquiry to "conclude that the attack was a case of 'mistaken identity' despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary."It was "one of the classic all-American cover-ups," said retired Admiral Thomas Moorer, a former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman who spent a year investigating the attack as part of an independent panel he formed with other former military officials. The panel also included a former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia, James Akins.Torpedo hole in USS Liberty "Why would our government put Israel's interests ahead of our own?" Moorer asked from his wheelchair at the news conference. He was chief of naval operations at the time of the attack. Moorer, who has long held that the attack was a deliberate act, wants Congress to investigate. [Newsday]====And now, welcome to "The Best Little Whorehouse" of the Middle East Also read the following and see the readers’ comments citing the Armenians and the Kurds.http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article7141783.eceFrom Times Online June 1, 2010 Turkey demands Israel be ‘punished’ over Gaza raidPhilippe Naughton 21 CommentsRecommend? (16) Turkey demanded today that Israel be punished for yesterday’s bungled commando raid on a flotilla of ships taking humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip as international condemnation of the killings reached fever pitch. At least nine activists, four of them identified as Turks and the remaining five thought also to be Turkish, were killed in the pre-dawn raid in international waters, when Israeli commandos rapelled from helicopters onto the fleet of ships. Up to 40 Britons were among those detained and the Foreign and Commonwealth Office said that it was "urgently seeking access" to all of them. Foreign Office sources said, however, that many of those detained had refused to give their names to the Israelis, making it hard to give firm numbers of Britons involved. It was confirmed earlier that one Briton, Ahsan Shamruk, was injured in the attack and had received medical treatment Here are two of many comments;John Mahon wrote: Turkey:Freedom for KurdistanRecognition of the Armenian genocideLeave CyprusThen we'll talk. June 1, 2010 3:11 PM BST on community.timesonline.co.uk -----Rob N wrote: Erdogan and any other Turk voicing outrage over this episode can damn well shut up. They're just breathing a sigh of relief that the world, at the moment, isn't focused on THEIR vicious treatment of Armenians and Kurds and THEIR disregard for international law. June 1, 2010 3:09 PM BST on community.timesonline.co.uk Let’s see that picture again;http://www.virginmedia.com/images/rottweiler-431x300.jpg Edited June 1, 2010 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 humanitarian and turkey just don't add+up in my mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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