Azat Posted April 10, 2003 Report Share Posted April 10, 2003 I got the "P" really fast as well. I tried to go about by building the words around the P knowing that a letter cannot end prior to a "0" and also tried to find other interesting/clever solutions but could not come up with any. I sent a message to the guy who created this puzzle to see if he came up with any cool solutions. Who knows, maybe there is none. I will download your code and take a look at it in a sec. oh ya, I also did the "THE", "THIS", "FOR" and some other words to see if I could get some matches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted April 10, 2003 Report Share Posted April 10, 2003 Okay, got a message from Kevin(the author of the puzzle) who is a software developer as well and he said the way he did it was using a dictionary in the application. Sip, your code is good, but what the hell does it do? I tried to see the patterns in the output and got a headache. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saro Posted April 10, 2003 Report Share Posted April 10, 2003 (edited) Hi everyone... Sip's younger bro here At first I sat staring at his program trying to understand the code... gave up and actually looked at the puzzle. The words just kinda jumped out at me. ...Is ninja mathematics. Oh, and to Sip: I win! Edited April 10, 2003 by Saro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fadi Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 Hi everyone... Sip's younger bro here At first I sat staring at his program trying to understand the code... gave up and actually looked at the puzzle. The words just kinda jumped out at me. ...Is ninja mathematics. Oh, and to Sip: I win! Poor you, I give you that, you should have a Nobel Prize only because you didn't go mad after having been his brother all those years. BTW, Welcome onboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saro Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 (edited) A good way to start that binary problem off is to just copy / paste the whole string into notepad, find the binary values of some common words you'd find in PUZZLEs, then replace the highlighted parts with the actual words. After ONE or two words, you can try to figure out what the question would ask you. Sip's method is genius if you want to decode the entire thing... though it isn't too efficient if you want to find the answer. Edited April 11, 2003 by Saro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 Hello Saro and welcome to HyeForum. So which brother are you? UCLA or High School? on your ability to find the solution. I have looked at it for hours and noting jumps out at me. Hope it is not a sign of my intelligence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 (edited) FINALLY!!!! After more than an hour and a half of absolute brain torture I FINALLY got it, I think! There is NO WAY I'm attempting to find out more hidden messages in this puzzle! Saro, welcome to HyeForum! It's nice to see you here after hearing so much about you! Then again, as if one Megerian isn't enough... Back to the puzzle, my way of solving it was basically logical "linguistic" thinking, as in, you can only have the "an" article before a vowel. Also, there are only so many combinations of consonants you can make (e.g. pl, pr, but not pb, pt; or qu, never qe, or qa etc.), and only so many combinations of vowels (e.g. ea, ou, oo, ie, ei, but never ae etc.). What helped most, however, was A LOT of guesswork based on what words should grammatically follow each other. Edited April 11, 2003 by nairi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fadi Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 The first thing I said when Azat posted that puzzle, I said to myself, I will even not dare to try that thing. NO WAYYYYYYYYY... Give me any kind of puzzle, but not that s.t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saro Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 Back to the puzzle, my way of solving it was basically logical "linguistic" thinking, as in, you can only have the "an" article before a vowel. Also, there are only so many combinations of consonants you can make (e.g. pl, pr, but not pb, pt; or qu, never qe, or qa etc.), and only so many combinations of vowels (e.g. ea, ou, oo, ie, ei, but never ae etc.). What helped most, however, was A LOT of guesswork based on what words should grammatically follow each other. Heh that's pretty much what I was talking about.. also, starting with words that contain p or c works pretty well too. On another note, I'm the high school brother, you've probably heard of the other bozo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 On another note, I'm the high school brother, you've probably heard of the other bozo. What's up dude! Hey, do you even know what bozo means in Armenian? I'll let nairi the language expert explain it to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 On another note, I'm the high school brother, you've probably heard of the other bozo. Yeah, we've heard of the other bozo as well, so please spare me and tell me he won't be joining Hye Forum too As for Sip, he's probably the biggest bozo of you all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 That makes me feel even worse. A high-school kid kicked my ass. Nairi, actually all combinations are possible because there are no spaces so words can end with a "p" and start with a "b". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 Nairi, actually all combinations are possible because there are no spaces so words can end with a "p" and start with a "b". You're right, but not entirely. For instance, a word can never end in q (ok, except for names of certain countries and cities, but you don't need to worry about that in this puzzle), and no word that begins with q can be followed by anything else but a u. Also indefinite articles (a and an) can only be combined with words beginning either with consonants or vowels. Another handy trick that I always use when solving word puzzles is keeping in mind that after so many consonants you NEED a vowel. So the first thing I did was make a separate list of the six vowels (inclusing y) and tried them out whenever I had enough consonants following each other. After that it's seeing what makes sense and what doesn't. For instance, how many "everyday" words can you make with "hlafpt"? Not many, so you dismiss it and try the next combination. The k is another example. If it is at the beginning of a word it is often followed by an n, and at the end of a word it is always preceded by a consonant (usually c or s). The only BIG hint I can give you is this: look for simple everyday words. Don't go for expiate and expropriate, but simple words like "this", or "I" and "what". Begin at the beginning of the puzzle and try to figure that out first (just try as many combinations as possible), and keep your vowels in check: it always helps me. Another thing is to think grammatically. If I said for instance, "what would you do ...", think of what type of word fills the dots best. Is it a common word like "house" or "dog", is it a pronoun like "I, you, he, she", is it a conjunction like "because, so, if, as, after", or something else? Once you know or feel this, you can start guessing the word that fit best. Oh, and one last thing: no letter in this puzzle begins with 0! That really helped me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 Oh, I forgot to mention that I know the answer to the puzzle, I was just looking to see if I would have found the answer in some cool way, but I can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 Oh, I forgot to mention that I know the answer to the puzzle, I was just looking to see if I would have found the answer in some cool way, but I can't. I only remembered this after I'd posted my post! Don't know about a "cool" way to solve it however... I actually think this is more of a language problem than a mathematical one. Btw, you never told me whether I got my answer right to the dog problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saro Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 Actually, since this is a puzzle dealing with binary / computers / programming and whatnot, the answer would probably be THREE (as demonstrated earlier by big bro.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 Actually, since this is a puzzle dealing with binary / computers / programming and whatnot, the answer would probably be THREE (as demonstrated earlier by big bro.) Don't you mean 10? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 Btw, you never told me whether I got my answer right to the dog problem Oh sorry, yes you did. All correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 (as demonstrated earlier by big bro.) Where? In that weird link he posted that gave Azat a headache? I didn't even bother trying to do anything with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saro Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 Ahhh the computers thing! with the 2.4+2.4 = 4.8 ... 1.4 + 1.4 = 2.8 = 3!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted April 16, 2003 Report Share Posted April 16, 2003 Arrange the digits 1-9 inclusive so as to form two numbers, one of which is the square of the other. hint: 1. there are 2 possibilities2. the first number has to be 3 digits because if 4 digits the second will be 7 it will not work3. the first number has to be greater than 316 such that the second is 6 digits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted April 17, 2003 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2003 Arrange the digits 1-9 inclusive so as to form two numbers, one of which is the square of the other. hint: 1. there are 2 possibilities2. the first number has to be 3 digits because if 4 digits the second will be 7 it will not work3. the first number has to be greater than 316 such that the second is 6 digits. Azat, i cheated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted April 17, 2003 Report Share Posted April 17, 2003 how did you cheat? It is fairly easy to do in Excel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted April 17, 2003 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2003 how did you cheat? It is fairly easy to do in Excel. i wrote a program to find the numbers. couldn't use just my head anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted April 17, 2003 Report Share Posted April 17, 2003 ohh, that fair. I should have done that as well. I think that is a good way to do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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