Arpa Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 (edited) I had written this a long time ago but hesitated to air it. --- Sargsyan? Which Sargsian? Sergey, Tigran, Vazken or Armen**? Whatever the H Sargsyan means? What happened to the I in Sargis/Sarkis, and the OU in Khachatour/Khachat…ryan? Some time ago someone told us that , that is the way it is in Yerevan. ! What does “That is the way is” mean? Will someone pleae tell us why the I in Sargis and the OU in Khachatour is taken out? OH! Yeah! I know. It makes it tooooooo looooong! Yeah right! How is “shnorhakaloutyounnerov“? Can we make it any loooooongeeeeer? **A real person, a good friend who writes his surname as Sagsyan, but when in the company of diasporans he pronounces it “Sargisian/Sarkisian. In Armenia they use a middle name/initial, to distinguish which Sargsyan, Hakobyan, Abrahamyan….. they are talking about. Let’s conduct a test. Stand in the middle of the Hraparak, yell Armen and see how many boys will turn around. Yell Siranoush or Haikanoush (lillit-vomit! and see how many will turn around. Yell Sargsyan, Hakobyan, Abrahamyan and see how many will around.. We, I constantly complain about our foreign surnames. In-breeding. I cannot find an all inclusive Armenian word except “in-bred”= բնածին/ներածին” Inbreeding From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Inbreeding is breeding between close relatives, whether plant or animal. If practiced repeatedly, it leads to an increase in homozygosity of a population. A higher frequency of recessive, deleterious traits in homozygous form in a population can, over time, result in inbreeding depression. This may occur when inbred individuals exhibit reduced health and fitness and lower levels of fertility. Livestock breeders often practice inbreeding to "fix" desirable characteristics within a population. However, they must then cull unfit offspring, especially when trying to establish the new and desirable trait in their stock. In plant breeding, inbred lines are used as stocks for the creation of hybrid lines to make use of the heterosis effect. Inbreeding in plants also occurs naturally in the form of self-pollination. Every other boy in Yerevan is named Armen Sargsyan, every other girl is named Armenouhi/Haiganoush Vardanian. Who is that Sargis or that Vardan that conceived all these children? Has anyone heard of Darbinian, Koshkarian, Jraghatsian, Zoravarian, Tagvorian, Geghatsian (paisano/pagano), Mshakian (farmer), Jorebanian? Yes, yes we have those named Barseghian that many think is from the Greek/Latin Basil, which in fact means Parsikian/Persian. Not to mention those who pride themselves with surnames like (Toros) Toranian, which is none other than “turan(ian)”. Edited October 24, 2008 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmag Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 I had written this a long time ago but hesitated to air it. --- Sargsyan? Sireli Arpa, Yete mart ir azad gamkov khndre qezme vor ir anun-e qres ir desagov, artyoq sa ardoneli e? HARGELOV NAKHAQAH BARON SERGE SARGSYANI tsutsmunkin, aysbes er ir paghtsanq-e ir anvan ughaqrumin..... Votch avel votch bagas. Im el anun-e Arabistannerum e; Abd-el SIS el Halabi e...( parakhaghs Abd el Aziz tartsnel Abd el Sisi) vore 99 anunneren min e Qerabedin... Garo aagkl Halabi... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted October 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 (edited) My question was not political or cultural. It was linguistic. I don’t give a rat’s a how Serge spells his family name, or a MkrtIchian spells it Mkrtchian without the I., or a KhachatOUrian spells it as KhatchaTRYAN. My question was academic and linguistic. I was asking when why and how we lost the I and OU vowels. I was about to blame the Russian which I don’t know, but upon further mulling I came to the conclusion that it must be from Persian-Farsi, where in that stupid alphabet there are no vowels but diacritical marks which may be overlooked. See how it is written in Farsi, without the fat-ha, dammeh , kasra and other qaqa-pupu. Idiot Ahmadi, Ayatollah Khomeini! IDIOTS! Why do they still use a (koranic)script that is counter to their linguistic culture! Even that other idiot mustafa dumped it. Who assigned the Persians as Champions of Islam? Don’t tell me. It must have been the same who assigned us as the ONLY “Champions of Christianity”. Many of my (Christian)Catholic neighbors go to church three times a week, pray to Mary. If only I knew who that bloody “typhoid mary” was… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon I don’t. go to church three times a week, maybe once every three years. Do you? Օհաննէս, խնդրեմ մեզ ցոյց տուր թէ Պարսիկները եւ Արաբները գրեն այդ անունները առանց ձայնավորի: See that in the Farsi there are no vowels except for I/Y and the long A at the end. All the rest is left to the discretion of the reader. س ر ک س ی ا ن Ս ր կ ս յ Ան خ چ ت ر ی ا ن Խ չ տ ր յ Ա ն Edited October 25, 2008 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johannes Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 Առնենք London Լոնդոն անունը: Արաբերէն այբուբենը չունի ո-o ձայնաւոր հնչիւնը, եթէ գրէ ու-ով, պիտի արտասանուի Lundun: Կը գրուի Lndnلندن եւ կ’արտասանուի լանդըն, կամ լընդըն, ըստ արտասանողի պատկանած երկրին, մշակութային պատկանելիութեան, քմահաճոյքին: Մի շարք բառերում, ձայնաւորների ջնջումը արեւելահայերէնի եւ նրա բարբառների ձեւաբանական արտայայտումն է լեզւում: Արեւմտահայերի շրջապատում էլ կայ Աստուրեան ազգանունը, որ Ասատուրեանի սղումն է: Այստեղ արաբատառ գիրը մեղք չունի, ժողովրդային լեզուն է «մեղաւորը»: Կարծեմ այստեղ պիտի չի պայքարել: Լեզուն լաւ իմացողը՝ ո'վ ուզում է լինի, լաւ էլ կհասկանայ ի՛նչ է բառը: Ի զուր եռանդդ մի՛ վատնիր Արփա: Արի՛ պայքարենք. ի խնդիր դասական ուղղագրութեան (Ե/Է, Ո/Օ, Ւ/Վ, Յ/Հ եւ այլն), եւ ճիշտ տառադարձման համար (Պ/Բ, Տ/Դ, Ք/Գ, եւ այլն): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted October 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 (edited) Բազմաթիւ շարաններ: Արի գնանք սա տեղ http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=18...;hl=orthography Եւ յետոյ սա տեղտեսնենք թէ այդ խրֆած “տոցենդը” ինչու Գալիֆորիա է ապրում, ոչ Գաւառում: Եւ, սա տեղ, http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=15...;hl=orthography տեսնենք ՏնտեսագէտEconomist ը ինչ կապ ունի լեզուգիդտանքի: Edited October 25, 2008 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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