Armenia-eritrea Lessons

[Armenak]

Femme, that actually sounds like fun.

 

Of course I wouldn't want to be caught by the KGB, or whatever they call it now. Putin scares me.

[_femme333_]

Femme, that actually sounds like fun.

 

Of course I wouldn't want to be caught by the KGB, or whatever they call it now. Putin scares me.

 

If I had to choose between working for the KGB or the CIA, I'd definitely go with the KGB in no time! BUT..... this doesn't mean that I have any interest in working for any of these state agencies...I can use my humanitarian knowledge somewhere else....something that actually makes a positive difference and that's not stuck in the spiral of corruption, deceit, lies, manipulations, control, murders, and new world order agendas...

I'll think of something else to do by the time I graduate

Edited November 13, 2007 by _femme333_

[LionHeart]

John Perkins said that Israel was the pawn of the US. Isn't it the other way around?

[Arpa]

John Perkins said that Israel was the pawn of the US. Isn't it the other way around?

I am not surrpised. When our leaders, be they presidents or secretaries of state profess to having learned world history from that BOOK of "schmistory" they learned in kindergarten or Sunday School.

Speaking of which, I have been itching to comment on how Eritrea and Armenia are continenst apart. Except that Eritrea has much common with Artsakh, the one having been granted to Ethipia in 1952 and the other granted to Asserboobjan in 1922.sides, Erirea is predominantly Muslim, as opposed to predominantly Christian Ethiopia, which was supported by Muslim Saudi Arabia a couple of miles across the Red Sea and the next door Muslim Sudan.

Which so called Christian nation supports the "separatist Artskah" as opposed to all the Muslims supporting Muslim Eritrea? Does the most Christian nation USA?

Armat. Please don't talk to turks and "eritreans". None of them have our welfare in mind. "Eritrea" means Red Sea/Land, our sea is the Blue Sevan.

Surney the map and stats again. Eritrea is 45,000 sq miles, the size comparable to Pennsylvania, 4 time the size of RA and and 30 times larger than Artsakh, while Artskah is slighltly larger than Rhode Island. Not to forget Nahk-j-AVAN. While Eritrea boasts with a population of 5 million, when we cannot even gather enough of us to approach hat figure. Why is their productive organs bigger than ours?,

They were both created to cut Chsistian Ethiopia and Chrsitain Artsakh from the rest of te world.

Edited November 14, 2007 by Arpa

[hagopn]

I am not surrpised. When our leaders, be they presidents or secretaries of state profess to having learned world history from that BOOK of "schmistory" they learned in kindergarten or Sunday School.

Speaking of which, I have been itching to comment on how Eritrea and Armenia are continenst apart. Except that Eritrea has much common with Artsakh, the one having been granted to Ethipia in 1952 and the other granted to Asserboobjan in 1922.sides, Erirea is predominantly Muslim, as opposed to predominantly Christian Ethiopia, which was supported by Muslim Saudi Arabia a couple of miles across the Red Sea and the next door Muslim Sudan.

Which so called Christian nation supports the "separatist Artskah" as opposed to all the Muslims supporting Muslim Eritrea? Does the most Christian nation USA?

Armat. Please don't talk to turks and "eritreans". None of them have our welfare in mind. "Eritrea" means Red Sea/Land, our sea is the Blue Sevan.

Surney the map and stats again. Eritrea is 45,000 sq miles, the size comparable to Pennsylvania, 4 time the size of RA and and 30 times larger than Artsakh, while Artskah is slighltly larger than Rhode Island. Not to forget Nahk-j-AVAN. While Eritrea boasts with a population of 5 million, when we cannot even gather enough of us to approach hat figure. Why is their productive organs bigger than ours?,

They were both created to cut Chsistian Ethiopia and Chrsitain Artsakh from the rest of te world.

 

Arpa, you are not correct on this one. I know my birth country's history and stats fairly well, and Eritrea has nothing whatsoever in common with Artsakh. Artsakh actually has a case that is 1000 times stronger than Eritrea, but Eritrea was "recognized" immediately. this is entirely due to precisely what Perkins says: control of strategic sectors of the global economy, in this case OIL.

 

Ethiopia has been historically, for the last 400 years especially, an the empire, a majority Muslim/animist land with a ruling Christian minority.

 

The Oromo in the south who comprise roughly 60% of the population, are 80% muslim, and the Tigre people are roughly 50/50. Eritreans are actually majority Tigre, and they too are mixed between Muslim and Christian.

 

You're reading from CIA propaganda. Be careful about your sources.

 

The regions overwhelmingly dominated by the Amara are Begemdir and Godjam, traditional Ethiopian Chrstianity strongholds. The "Islam" practiced by the Oromo and other tribes in the south is hardly re Islam in any case: They actually have a hybrid animistic/islamic religion with both the Prophet and an elemental deity named Waq in most regions. Waq is a purely African, pre-Ismal, shamanist deity, a "spirit" of nature, who thrives most in caves, for whom rituals, quite unbecoming of Islam, are carried out in caves. You can't look at African countries with the orthodox eye. In fact, the only regions you CAN look at an orthodoxy are the Amara dominated (traditional Ras apportioned) regions of Begemdir with its ancient capital (and former fortress city) of Gondar, and Gojam with its capital of Debre Markos and the city of Bahar Dar on the Tana (ONE of the sources of the Nile, the Blue Nile).

 

"International pressure", (Anglo-American/Zionist) http://www.worldstatesmen.org/Ethiopia_Regions.html has been the cause for ethnic redistribtuion of territories to gerrymander the old Amara ruling ethnicity out of power in most of the country.

 

Here is a history of the administrative division of Ethiopia http://www.statoids.com/uet.html Prior to 1991 Ethiopia had

 

Addis Ababa 1,654,327 218 100 Addis Ababa

Arusi (misspelled on the webpage - HN) ET01 1,860,606 23,500 9,100 3 Asela

Aseb 101,352 Aseb

Bale ET03 1,126,697 124,600 48,100 5 Goba

Eritrea ET04 2,938,113 117,600 45,400 9 Asmara

Gemu Gofa (misspelled on the webpage - HN) ET05 1,395,331 39,500 15,300 4 Arba Minch

Gojam ET06 3,632,276 61,600 23,800 7 Debre Markos

Gonder ET02 3,270,440 74,200 28,600 7 Gonder

Harerge ET07 4,657,859 259,700 100,300 13 Harer

Ilubabor ET08 1,078,308 47,400 18,300 5 Metu

Kefa ET09 2,740,773 54,600 21,100 6 Jima

Shewa ET10 9,059,917 85,200 32,900 11 Addis Ababa

Sidamo ET11 4,241,827 117,300 45,300 6 Awasa

Tigray ET12 2,700,921 65,900 25,400 8 Mekele

Welega ET13 2,770,598 71,200 27,500 6 Nekemte

Welo ET14 4,075,959 79,400 30,700 12 Dese

 

Today its a loose federation of ethnically determined administrative divisions, divisions that have much more autonomy than federated states merit. This is designed to weaken the country, apportion it for easier control by external interests. There is no doubt about it.

 

I put Asab in bold, and this is to illustrate the artificial "integration" of Asab with Eritrea. I have no idea how one can take the "International Community" seriously after knowing especially the histories of Armenia and Ethiopia. It is actually the ETHIOPIANS who have a similar (contemporary) history as that of Armenia.

 

[hagopn]

The CIA comes to my unviersity (as well us to most unviersities) twice a year to recruit students to be a "foreign service officer", which is a light way of saying a "spy". I went to their meetings few weeks ago just to see what their qualifications are, and one of the recruiters told me that I do qualify in every way, and he also gave me his contact information along with his "name" for me to contact him if I do decide to join the CIA after my university studies.

 

He knows I'm fluent in Russian, so he probably thinks that I could be used to spy on Russians.

One thing that strike me the most is how colorful the two recruiters painted the image of a foreign service officer and his duties. I was glad to know few things about how the CIA has operated for decades now to understand that those two were just fooling the poor students by keep repeating how wonderful it is to work overseas and see the world every few years by moving around! They also mentioned how enjoyable and satisfying to work for the CIA (for our country as he stated), that most people...and by that he meant 85%+ of the people who work for the CIA are there for life....they failed to mention that getting in might be much easier than getting out and being stuck there for the rest of your career doesn't necessary mean that it's the most enjoyable place to work.

 

Seemed like the CIA is very desparate now days for more foreign service officers and I wonder why!

I was watching the Russian news the same day of that CIA recruitment event at my unviersity and the Russians were reporting how USA is short of foreign service officers in Baghdad's American embassy and now the State Department is actually making/forcing foreign service officers to move to the American Embassy in Baghdad because no one from their officers wants to volunteer at the Embassy in Baghdad.

 

Well...at least I know I have one job lining up for me if I find nothing else after graduation

 

This is fascinating stuff! I suppose with all the bad press and the Internet's free whaling at the establishment and its utter hypocrisy, they would have a harder time these days. I mean, look at the increasingly clownish diparity between what you hear on the "mainstream news" outlets and what you can check them against on the Internet. They are, granted, doing their best to throw all the red herrings and are trying to employ all of the confusion mechanisms, but they are failing to a degree that perhaps they did not expect. One mechanism that has always worked on the gullible majority are the usage of ultra radicals in any issue. It still works. For example, they use rabid racists to discredit balanced isolationism. They use all sorts of cooks to discredit every serious investigation of blatantly evident conspiracies. The 9/11 issue is now on full blast, with every sort of "specialist" and "expert" telling everyone that, indeed, Bush is thing innocent and righeous man who had nothing to gain, no one is really profiting from the war, and so on. This has been cause for further aggravation and entrenchment between the establishmentarian and the critic. The radical is being used, in my opinion, to silence the critic and give credence to the so-called "moderate" establishmentarian.

 

 

[LionHeart]

I wonder if the oil will become Azerbaijan's curse as well. So far it's been benefiting the country, given the annual GDP growth rates. Which is alarming if it gets used for its military. I would hope the oil would have the opposite effect, as in Eritrea, and other oil-cursed areas.

[AK-47]

I wonder if the oil will become Azerbaijan's curse as well. So far it's been benefiting the country, given the annual GDP growth rates. Which is alarming if it gets used for its military. I would hope the oil would have the opposite effect, as in Eritrea, and other oil-cursed areas.

They will surely suffer from Dutch disease.

[DominO123]

According to statistics 5 points different between both nations IQ, which means the cash is flowing there more than in Ethiopia. I wonder what is the foreign aid per capita there, 5 point is huge, and such a different and the current situation could mean significant foreign presence pumping which obviously is pumping the ressources.

[DominO123]

I wonder if the oil will become Azerbaijan's curse as well. So far it's been benefiting the country, given the annual GDP growth rates. Which is alarming if it gets used for its military. I would hope the oil would have the opposite effect, as in Eritrea, and other oil-cursed areas.

 

It is will benefit them for a long time, I mean the elite and the army. It will use it to become more and more millitarised until the braking point. (war)

[LionHeart]

It is will benefit them for a long time, I mean the elite and the army. It will use it to become more and more millitarised until the braking point. (war)

 

So, my friends, are we saying we are doomed? We can't match Baku's oil revenues. Is this the end?

 

[AVO]

LionHeart don't forget that Baboonistan was stronger then us back in 1991, look where that got them. The people fighting win the wars not money. In our case Armenian fighting to defend his home (do or die) or an 18-20yr teenager sent to fight against his will. We know what happens if we lose (1915) We have no choice but to win.

[LionHeart]

We know what happens if we lose (1915) We have no choice but to win.

 

You mean what happens if we don't fight. Otherwise some Turk will say "Look, even Armenians admit, they fought against Turkey and lost, no genocide"

 

What is Baboonistan, Avo? Never heard that name.

[Arpa]

LionHeart don't forget that Baboonistan was stronger then us back in 1991, look where that got them. The people fighting win the wars not money. In our case Armenian fighting to defend his home (do or die) or an 18-20yr teenager sent to fight against his will. We know what happens if we lose (1915) We have no choice but to win.

That was when the asseris had tanks, Grad rocket launchers, fighter jets and helicopters while the Armenians had beat up Nivas and Volgas, BB guns and homemade hunting knives.Until, that s the Russians suddenly realized that those asseris will eventually not make good allies,,,,

Armenia should not return the spent Uranium at the ANPP, instead reprocess and share it for “peaceful purposes” with those other “pariahs” in Tehran. After all, why should Tehran or Yerevan, for that matter, abide by the international rules and regulations, when that same international observers and regulators isolate and blockade Tehran while it does not even lift a finger when Yerevan is blockaded and isolated. Why is it that those international regulators don’t see the blockades but see what is going on under the mountains of Iran and Yerevan? Why don’t they tell us what goes on deep down in the deserts of Negev? What’s good for the Moshelandy’s should be good for the Metsamori’s as well..

We read elsewhere how Armenia is producing its own weapons, namely bullets etc. They should concentrate on making small shiny, glowing (turkey) eggs that create such pictures of Mushroom Clouds;.

http://www.freewebs.com/makin-isreal/mushroom_cloud.jpeg

Edited November 18, 2007 by Arpa

[Arpa]

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What is Baboonistan, Avo? Never heard that name.

Dear Lion, I hope you are kidding.

You mean you have not seen some of our friends refer to that land as "azer-baba-booboo-baboon-istan?

I prefer "ass-er-bokh-jan".

Edited November 18, 2007 by Arpa

[_femme333_]

Even if a war breaks up between Armenia and the Azeris, do you think that Russia will not get involved (not through war), since there's significant amount of troops based in Armenia?

 

How do you guys think that Russia will be involved in that war? In what form?

Also, I would think that it wouldn't "abandon" Armenia in any way, since it's so unpopular in the Caucasus nowdays, and Armenia is the best stronghold of Russia if compared to Georgia (lol) and Azerbaijan...which is looking towards the West just like Georgia has. The point I'm trying to make is that I doubt that Russia will want the Azeris to take over the lost lands again because having Armenia as a strategic geopolitical ally is something that it wouldn't want to loose in any way. As much as the alliance is important for us, it is also important for the Russinas. Correct me if i'm wrong, but I just don't see how Russia would want an ally in the Caucasus, but yet it let's part of it's territory to be given/won by Azerbaijan without any help from Russia (in any form)... geopolitically it just doesn't make any sense at all.

 

To comment on Armenia developing nuckes (i think Arpa mentioned this)...It's easier said than done! If you want to see Armenia isolated even more by the international community, then that's the way to go! I doubt we want to see any aid cut of from Armenia. Plus...I simply can not see Russia allowing us to take that road. I think Russia might fear that Armenia will become self-sufficient in military and which power wants to see it's "periphery" become self-sufficient?

 

You guys can talk all you want about Armenia developing this and that, but if Russia opposes any specific development, then consider it not done. Like it or not we're very much depended on Russia, so taking independent steps will not be so easy for Armenia. BUT if Armenia cuts it's ties with Russia (hypothetically speaking of course) then it's in big trouble in terms of its neighbors. Armenia would be in more trouble if it ever allies itself with USA...would be a huge mistake! USA is so far away and Russia is just around the corner.

[AVO]

You mean what happens if we don't fight. Otherwise some Turk will say "Look, even Armenians admit, they fought against Turkey and lost, no genocide"

 

What is Baboonistan, Avo? Never heard that name.

 

Yes thats what I mean. We were the Cristian nation that showed the other chick in 1895-1930's. In NK we said forget that and fought back, first irregularly (ie. fedayee jokates) , that helped, but we were able to win only after an army was organized. Baboonistan=Azerbaboonistan

[Arpa]

Even if a war breaks up between Armenia and the Azeris, do you think that Russia will not get involved (not through war), since there's significant amount of troops based in Armenia?

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To comment on Armenia developing nuckes (i think Arpa mentioned this)...It's easier said than done! If you want to see Armenia isolated even more by the international community, then that's the way to go! I doubt we want to see any aid cut of from Armenia. Plus...I simply can not see Russia allowing us to take that road. I think Russia might fear that Armenia will become self-sufficient in military and which power wants to see it's "periphery" become self-sufficient?

When the USSR was dissolved it was assumed that there were an upward of 200 "nuckular" heads in Armenia, (I have clippings from the Time Magazine to back that up) a small number compared to the number in other Soviet States.

And now, what makes you think that all those Russian bases moving out of Georgia, to Gumri are bringing back? Slingshots or BB guns?

[LionHeart]

Even if a war breaks up between Armenia and the Azeris, do you think that Russia will not get involved (not through war), since there's significant amount of troops based in Armenia?

 

Sure, we should always think that. Russia's alliance with Armenia is not absolute. Russia wants Azerbaijan as well. They helped Azeris in 1920, 1921, 1923, and later in 1988-92. During the NK war, Russians were helping both sides, depending on their internal developments and momentary interests. We can never guess exactly what Russia's interests are at the moment.

 

As a general rule, if Armenia is defeated by Azerbaijan, it will lose its value for Russia. If Azerbaijan launches a surprise attack and quickly gains territories, Russia may threaten and stuff, but it will be too late, Azerbaijan will use the new gains to strengthen its position diplomatically (after all, de-jure, it all belongs to them), and again we will be presented with a new harsh reality (just like in 1916, or 1920). Russia will then start courting Azerbaijan i hopes of winning it over to its side. We will be royally screwed.

 

The only way to avoid it is to maintain the clear military edge over Azerbaijan. And with the oil money, it's a question if we can do that.

 

[LionHeart]

We were the Cristian nation that showed the other chick in 1895-1930's.

 

You mean we offered the other cheek. Because 200 years from now the Turks will say "look, even Armenians admit that they were offering us girls."

 

Sorry, I like seeing you screw up and teasing you

[Armat]

Ah, good points. I will look into it more. But I think Eritria was still much better off sticking to Ethiopia

 

I took the time to answer this since I am wanted to know more about it.Before 1890 basically the whole Africa was one gient country with some exeption.

Ethopia and the rest of the coutries were curved out by the western powers and basically created new countries. Ethopia is a general area which means black men and consist of several "tribes"

Eritrea is a distict linguistic "tribe" if you will and There country was recognized by the internationally before Ethopia conquered it.

I had a very long talk with my Eritrean friend and he more then conviced me that Eritrea is a distict entity with distict lamguage and letters.

 

Read some history

 

More history

 

About Eritrea being a muslim country well according to what I read and my friends conversations it seems they are basically 50/50 Christen-Muslim however He pointed out they are very mild on religion meaning conflict has no religious bases.

 

The point for me posting here is the heroic struggle of isolated country against adversary 20 times larger and winning their indipandance!

That is the insipiration! If I were a military personnal in Armenian army I would study their tactics and methods.Eritrea has the same landscape like Armenia.

That's all

[hagopn]

I took the time to answer this since I am wanted to know more about it.Before 1890 basically the whole Africa was one gient country with some exeption.

Ethopia and the rest of the coutries were curved out by the western powers and basically created new countries. Ethopia is a general area which means black men and consist of several "tribes"

Eritrea is a distict linguistic "tribe" if you will and There country was recognized by the internationally before Ethopia conquered it.

I had a very long talk with my Eritrean friend and he more then conviced me that Eritrea is a distict entity with distict lamguage and letters.

 

Read some history

 

More history

 

About Eritrea being a muslim country well according to what I read and my friends conversations it seems they are basically 50/50 Christen-Muslim however He pointed out they are very mild on religion meaning conflict has no religious bases.

 

The point for me posting here is the heroic struggle of isolated country against adversary 20 times larger and winning their indipandance!

That is the insipiration! If I were a military personnal in Armenian army I would study their tactics and methods.Eritrea has the same landscape like Armenia.

That's all

 

Your friends are misinforming you and are spreading typically falsified history of the region.

 

Eritrea is by no means a distinct identity. There has never been a distinct Eritrean identity. There is no such thing as an "Eritrean alphabet."

 

Ethiopia never conquered Eritrea. Eritrea was the portion of Ethiopia colonized by Italy in the 1880s.

 

Ertireans, therefore, are by no means a tribal unit.

 

Afirca was not "one big country" before the 1890s. Ethiopia infact was a state, an Empire comprising ruling Amara/Tigray depending on dynasty, and subject tribes, the largets of which are the Oromo.

 

There is no point in being "inspired" by the so-called "small country" that was the brainshild of Saudi and Zionist support of dismembering Ethiopia. I repeat, the herioc struggle is actually Ethiopia's for being able to maintain its territory fo so long under such immense INTERNATIONL pressure, pressure that ws assisting the pseudo-identity of 'Eritrean" to assert independence.

 

It is in fact a farcical joke that these fellows still insist they are not Ethiopian, when in reality they are the same ethno-linguistic cousins as Ethiopia's Tigray people, who are in turn Ethnic cousins of the long-time ruling ethnicty of the Amara.

 

 

 

 

[Arpa]

Jacob/Յագոբ, good to see you again. In the past I have called you "the face that only a mother can love". Let me repaat ; YOU ARE UGLY!!!

Are you uglier than Tork Angegh?!!

I never called you a "khabshik, habesh", an Abyssinian Negro before.

No matter how abyssinially UGLY you may be, do tell us the straight story.

Sirem qez.

I have seen you as "Jacko-bolo" too. Was that a play on "xxxxxx"?

 

Note: Please Arpa keep it clean.

Edited November 26, 2007 by Yervant1

[hagopn]

Jacob/Յագոբ, good to see you again. In the past I have called you "the face that only a mother can love". Let me repaat ; YOU ARE UGLY!!!

Are you uglier than Tork Angegh?!!

I never called you a "khabshik, habesh", an Abyssinian Negro before.

No matter how abyssinially UGLY you may be, do tell us the straight story.

Sirem qez.

I have seen you as "Jacko-bolo" too. Was that a play on "xxxxxx"?

 

That was my other beginning user name. I forgot the password, and then it got blocked---

Edited November 26, 2007 by Yervant1

[Armenak]

Hagop, this one is for you.

 

'OUR COMMUNITY OF 1,200 WAS SMALL'

By Abbas Al Lawati, Staff Reporter

 

Gulf News

Dec 14 2007

United Arab Emirates

 

Dubai: Sharjah-based businessman Bedros Arslanian left Ethiopia

almost thirty years ago to settle in the UAE. "This is my home now,

in a way," said the 72- year-old.

 

Back in the seventies, he says, there were under a hundred Armenians

in the UAE, mostly concentrated in Abu Dhabi. "Some Armenians from

Iran and Palestine have been in Abu Dhabi for more than fifty years."

 

Despite an Armenian presence in Ethiopia "for many centuries",

Arslanian has been met with surprise from fellow diaspora Armenians

upon telling them where he was from.

 

Community

 

"Our community in Ethiopia was small, of about 1,200, but we had

been there for a long time," he said. Armenians integrated well in

Ethiopia and were rewarded with high ranking government positions,

but most have left now. "We have quality, not quantity."

 

Like many diaspora Armenians, Arslanian calls more than one place home,

and Ethiopia is one of them. Fluent in Amharic, Arslanian was born and

brought up in Ethiopia and often visits family there. "I have many

memories there. Sometimes I feel like I belong there. I miss it,"

he says. The Republic of Armenia, which he visits every two months,

is also home.

 

"After so many years, we've got our own country and our own national

symbols, of which we are very proud." Although he doesn't feel the

need to get Armenian citizenship, Arslanian says he might take it

one day "for symbolic reasons."