The Real State Of Armenian Churches In Turkey

[Lev7]

http://www.teachgenocide.com/background/hist_sites.htm

[neko]

http://www.teachgenocide.com/background/hist_sites.htm

And you are I know (secretly) pleased that that is their real state. It gives Armenians something to knaw upon, which is why it seems that no Armenian will ever do something constructive to actually improve that state and perhaps stop an even worse fate (like the fate of Aghtamar) from happening.

[Lev7]

And you are I know (secretly) pleased that that is their real state. It gives Armenians something to knaw upon, which is why it seems that no Armenian will ever do something constructive to actually improve that state and perhaps stop an even worse fate (like the fate of Aghtamar) from happening.

 

do you really believe the Turkish government is going to let Armenians come to Turkey and renovate all those churches lol

 

you Turks are something else LOL

[neko]

do you really believe the Turkish government is going to let Armenians come to Turkey and renovate all those churches lol

 

Have any of you tried? No.

[MosJan]

we need to get to our priorities first

 

despite haw much we wish to renovate our historical buildings in historical Armenia - we can't - not that we don;t wish to >>> but we don't; have the $$$$

 

today in Armenia we have more hospitals / schools churches and temples that need work - many of them are "functioning" since we have a need for it.

 

i know if we don't attempt to save some of the churches in Historical Armenia we might loos them soon completely - but we are in the same e situation in Armenia

 

another opinion is - many of us don't; wish to rebuild what Turks have destroyed / for their own profit /and to make them look good i the face of EU & USA

[Arpa]

we need to get to our priorities first

Well said MosJan.

:clap:

Are you running for president? I’ll vote for you.

When re-conquer Aghtamar and Ani , we will then worry about how to reconstruct them, with or without the cross.

 

[Lev7]

Have any of you tried? No.

 

ok, then, lets do this, you arrange the meeting and get permission from your so-called government and I will start collecting donations for the restoration.....deal?

[Armenak]

Have any of you tried? No.

From Road to Armenia's Yerevan Journal:

 

Television news here is replete with video footage of Ani, Kars, and Aghtamar taken by the entourage that participated in the opening ceremony on Aghtamar island this past week. Viewers here are being treated to the wonders of the City of Ani, taken church by church through the City of 1001 Churches. Ideas are already being circulated about working with Turks to renovate the churches of Ani, a definite turnaround if it happens, as now the sign on the entrance of Ani fails to even mention the word “Armenia.” In Kars, at the ninth century church of Arakelots (converted from a museum to a mosque in 2000), we saw the Moslem equivalent of a cross on the dome of the church, making ridiculous the Turkish claim that one of the reasons they didn’t put a cross on St. Khatch on Aghtamar was that lightning might strike the cross and cause the church to burn down. The debate about whether the renovation of St. Khatch by the Turks is a step in the right direction or a mocking attempt to put Genocide recognition, etc., on the back burner, still rages in Armenia. Interesting that the reaction here is possibly stronger than in the Diaspora, as talk show hosts to history professors are saying that those in the Armenian entourage should have been vocal in their protests during or after the ceremony on the island, and that renovation should expand to other monasteries that are in various stages of ruin, or those destroyed by Turks or Kurds, such as Khtsgonk, by Ani, and St. Karapet and Arakelots of Moush. A history professor said we should be talking of nothing less than the union of Western and Eastern Armenian lands. Yet, Samvel Karapetyan, an expert of Armenian church architecture who has traveled most if not all of the Armenian homeland, says Armenians may not have the right to demand much from the Turks, saying this as he walked through and around Astvadzunkal church near Aparan. Not only is the church in a collapsed condition, but trash is seen everywhere. Nonetheless, along with the subject of opening the border with Turkey, debate is in itself a good thing, a sign that Armenians haven’t forgotten their history or monuments.

[MosJan]

ok, then, lets do this, you arrange the meeting and get permission from your so-called government and I will start collecting donations for the restoration.....deal?

 

 

i guess you assume that his a turk ??

[Lev7]

i guess you assume that his a turk ??

 

I think it is pretty obvious

[MosJan]

nop

[Lev7]

nop

 

kam turka kamel vraci lol

[Armenak]

kam turka kamel vraci lol

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[neko]

talk show hosts to history professors are saying that those in the Armenian entourage should have been vocal in their protests during or after the ceremony on the island, and that renovation should expand to other monasteries that are in various stages of ruin, or those destroyed by Turks or Kurds, such as Khtsgonk, by Ani, and St. Karapet and Arakelots of Moush.

 

 

Perhaps the Armenian entourage realised just what such 'restorations' would entail. Well, at least one member of their delegation expressed this view to me: "a Turkish restoration is mostly just a demolition of the existing monument and then a complete rebuilding". Karapetyan is on record as saying he thinks the Aghtamar restortation is of high quality - which would seem to reveal either how little he knows about modern restoration techniques or how much he desires to have access to a similar budget.

 

[neko]

ok, then, lets do this, you arrange the meeting and get permission from your so-called government and I will start collecting donations for the restoration.....deal?

When did I mention the word "government"?

[MosJan]

OVER 3 THOUSAND TOURISTS ATTENDED AKHTAMAR CHURCH DURING 5 DAYS

 

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Over 3 thousand tourists have attended the Church of Holy Cross on Akhtamar island. Tourists pay 3-5 lyres for arrival and 2 lyres for entering the church transformed into a museum where they are told about the history of the church, RFE/RL reports. The inauguration ceremony took place on March 29.

[neko]

so you are saying, Armenian historians and workers can just come to Turkey and start the restoration of our churches and the Turkish government will be fine with that?

Yes.

[neko]

OVER 3 THOUSAND TOURISTS ATTENDED AKHTAMAR CHURCH DURING 5 DAYS

 

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Over 3 thousand tourists have attended the Church of Holy Cross on Akhtamar island. Tourists pay 3-5 lyres for arrival and 2 lyres for entering the church transformed into a museum where they are told about the history of the church, RFE/RL reports. The inauguration ceremony took place on March 29.

 

So many lies in so short a paragraph! RFE/RL should stop using the Turkish Daily News as a source!

 

More like 300 visitors in 5 days (most them locals). On Sunday 1st April it had exactly 7 foreign visitors and a couple of dozen locals. And it's 4 lira to enter the church (which equates to one lira for each minute you are allowed inside).

 

Edited April 5, 2007 by neko