MosJan Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 POPE NOTED ARMENIANS SUFFERING, REFRAINING FROM WORD «GENOCIDE» * Pope Benedict XVI met with Patriarch of Armenian Catholic Church Nerses Petros XIX. In the words of the Pontiff, the Armenian people «suffered horrible prosecution for the sake of the Christian fate, which were included in the history as Great Slaughter. At that the Pope refrained from word «genocide.» Predecessor of Benedict XVI John Paul II used the word «genocide», without specifying which country has committed the Armenian Genocide, reports the Associated Press, noting that Armenia is the first country, which adopted Christianity as official religion in 301. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 POPE NOTED ARMENIANS SUFFERING, REFRAINING FROM WORD «GENOCIDE» * Pope Benedict XVI met with Patriarch of Armenian Catholic Church Nerses Petros XIX. In the words of the Pontiff, the Armenian people «suffered horrible prosecution for the sake of the Christian fate, which were included in the history as Great Slaughter. At that the Pope refrained from word «genocide.» Predecessor of Benedict XVI John Paul II used the word «genocide», without specifying which country has committed the Armenian Genocide, reports the Associated Press, noting that Armenia is the first country, which adopted Christianity as official religion in 301. But if I remember correctly, didn’t Vatican already have officially acknowledged the Armenian Genocide? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 But if I remember correctly, didn’t Vatican already have officially acknowledged the Armenian Genocide? Edward Jan there is a new chief in town. I guess the old acknowledgement died with old Pope! Why am I surprised? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadix2 Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Edward Jan there is a new chief in town. I guess the old acknowledgement died with old Pope! Why am I surprised? No, they did not, the term 'Great slaughter' for reffering to the Armenian massacres has been somehow coined by the Vatican long time ago and before the genocide term was even coined, and it is the closest to the Armenian term in that respect. This Pope is much more extremist in his beliefs than Jean Paul II, and has vocally opposed to Turkeys joining the EU, there is no question that this Pope will ever revert such a decision. And besides, great slaughter is a term that could be much more restrictive than the term genocide, in history there has been many genocides, but there always was less geat slaughter than genocides. BTW, I have lost my password again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 No, they did not, the term 'Great slaughter' for reffering to the Armenian massacres has been somehow coined by the Vatican long time ago and before the genocide term was even coined, and it is the closest to the Armenian term in that respect. This Pope is much more extremist in his beliefs than Jean Paul II, and has vocally opposed to Turkeys joining the EU, there is no question that this Pope will ever revert such a decision. And besides, great slaughter is a term that could be much more restrictive than the term genocide, in history there has been many genocides, but there always was less geat slaughter than genocides. BTW, I have lost my password again. It was meant to be a sarcasm note;(new chief in town). His opinion about Turkey was before he became the Pope, after he was a lot more political with his remarks. It seems you are after uniqueness also what's wrong with sharing Genocide with other people's Genocides, does it make our's less painfull? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadix2 Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 It was meant to be a sarcasm note;(new chief in town). His opinion about Turkey was before he became the Pope, after he was a lot more political with his remarks. It seems you are after uniqueness also what's wrong with sharing Genocide with other people's Genocides, does it make our's less painfull? I believe every genocides are unique. This has nothing to do with not sharing genocide, I just think that calling an event Great Slaughter is far from revising a previous decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 I believe every genocides are unique. This has nothing to do with not sharing genocide, I just think that calling an event Great Slaughter is far from revising a previous decision. Agreed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 Fadix2 For your information you see the Turks already declaring victory that The Pope did not use the word Genocide. I do agree with you that "mets Yeghern" is better than Genocide but now it's about politics not word game. Also note that Pope John Paul II used Genocide, he did not name Turkey as the perpatrator. POPE AVOIDS MENTIONING 'ARMENIAN GENOCIDE' TDN Wednesday, March 22, 2006 Armenians endured suffering in the name of their faith, says Pope Benedict as he welcomes an Armenian Catholic patriarch to the Vatican ANKARA - TDN with AP Pope Benedict XVI has paid tribute to the sufferings of Armenians because of their Christian faith and recalled their "terrible persecution," a reference to what Armenians claim was genocide at the hands of the late Ottoman Empire during the years of World War I. Benedict recalled the Armenians' history as he welcomed an Armenian Catholic patriarch, Nerses Bedros XIX Tarmouni, and Armenian pilgrims to a Vatican audience on Monday. Speaking about the Armenian people through the centuries, the pope singled out the "sufferings that they underwent in the name of the Christian faith in the years of the terrible persecution that went down in history with the sadly meaningful name 'metz yeghern,' the great evil." Benedict was citing the term used by Armenians to refer to what they say was genocide perpetrated by Turkey. Turkey vehemently denies genocide charges and has harshly criticized countries that characterize it as such. Benedict did not use the term "genocide" in his official remarks. His predecessor, Pope John Paul II, called the deaths genocide but did not declare any party responsible. In 301, Armenia became the world's first country to declare itself Christian. Pope John Paul II, Benedict XVI's predecessor, visited Armenia's capital of Yerevan in 2001 to celebrate the 1,700th anniversary of Christianity in the country. ----------- Copyright 2006, Turkish Daily News. This article is redistributed with permission for personal use of Groong readers. No part of this article may be reproduced, further distributed or archived without the prior permission of the publisher. Contact Turkish Daily News Online at http://www.TurkishDailyNews.com for details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hytga Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 Also note that Pope John Paul II used Genocide, he did not name Turkey as the perpatrator. is my memory deceiving me? didn't paul 2 avoid the term genocide even when visiting Erablur? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 is my memory deceiving me? didn't paul 2 avoid the term genocide even when visiting Erablur? I'm quoting from my memory in his live speech he used "mets Yeghern" but the official vatican proclamation used Genocide, if he didn't use Genocide why would Turks say that he used it read the TDN report again. Pope used "mets Yeghern" because he knew that Armenians would like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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