HOB Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 VIENNA - ''Allegations of Armenian genocide are part of a new operation of the United States and the other western states against Turkey,'' affirmed Turkish researcher Sefa Yurukel on Thursday. ''Under the UN convention, what Israel is currently doing in Palestine is a genocide. What the United States is doing in Iraq is a genocide. France committed genocide during the war in Algeria. Also, France and Belgium committed genocide in Rwanda and Burundi. But no one can accuse those countries of genocide since they are permanent members of the UN Security Council,'' he said. http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=90047 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 It is a wonder how these idiots even got where they are. AftER all it seems Turks are not as smart as they pretend to be. If the above is not an acknowledgement and a confession, I Don't know what is. Let's read between the lines. What in fact it is saying; "Yes we did it, we committed the Genocide and we are proud of it, just as all those others who have and are committing genocides". I have said this before and I wil repeat it. DON'T GIVE THEM THE CHANCE, THEY WILL GLADLY DO IT AGAIN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 (edited) VIENNA - ''Allegations of Armenian genocide are part of a new operation of the United States and the other western states against Turkey,'' affirmed Turkish researcher Sefa Yurukel on Thursday. But no one can accuse those countries of genocide since they are permanent members of the UN Security Council,'' he said. What he is saying here is this; all these countries committed genocide; but no one accuses them. So here's what he's saying: WE DID IT; AND HOW COME WE ARE THE ONLY ONE'S BEING ACCUSED OF? Yes, indeed, if given a chance they wil do it again and again to us. Those bastards. That's why I wrote that poem saying about the turks.....those 'himar' mindless, stupid turks in 90 + years didn't learn anything and didn't become human beings either. Edited December 16, 2005 by Anahid Takouhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 It is a wonder how these idiots even got where they are. AftER all it seems Turks are not as smart as they pretend to be. If the above is not an acknowledgement and a confession, I Don't know what is. Let's read between the lines. What in fact it is saying; "Yes we did it, we committed the Genocide and we are proud of it, just as all those others who have and are committing genocides". I have said this before and I wil repeat it. DON'T GIVE THEM THE CHANCE, THEY WILL GLADLY DO IT AGAIN. You are right on target Arpa. This is the confession that we have been waiting for. Do you not remember the statements of the Turkish President and Prime Minister Turgut Ozal who stated that if Armenians don't shut up "We will teach them the lessons of 1915." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 You are right on target Arpa. This is the confession that we have been waiting for. Do you not remember the statements of the Turkish President and Prime Minister Turgut Ozal who stated that if Armenians don't shut up "We will teach them the lessons of 1915." Fantome qsan erkoo. For once you are "right on target" as well. Still hoping and expecting for Ankara to issue an invitation to "come and claim your ancestors assets'"...? Մոտ է գարունը շուտով կը հասնի/ Mot e garoon@ shutov g@ hasni. (Spring is around the corner, will be her soon) If we fail to read "between the lines" and forget what Ankara has been saying all these years, then we will have to have our heads examined by the heirs of that goddam Freud, and learn to read more intelligently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 Fantome qsan erkoo. For once you are "right on target" as well. Still hoping and expecting for Ankara to issue an invitation to "come and claim your ancestors assets'"...? Մոտ է գարունը շուտով կը հասնի/ Mot e garoon@ shutov g@ hasni. (Spring is around the corner, will be her soon) If we fail to read "between the lines" and forget what Ankara has been saying all these years, then we will have to have our heads examined by the heirs of that goddam Freud, and learn to read more intelligently. They will not freely budge one iota. They have to be harassed into doing what is right. Do you not think, Arpa, that with this whole EU business they have had to compromise just a little. Armenian attorneys have won two cases already against insurance companies and are pursuing a third. Attorney Geragos is contemplating suing Turkey for Armenian assets confiscated. He may not win, but it will keep the issue alive. By keeping the magnifying glass on Turkey, we are accomplishing SOMETHING. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 They will not freely budge one iota. They have to be harassed into doing what is right. Do you not think, Arpa, that with this whole EU business they have had to compromise just a little. Armenian attorneys have won two cases already against insurance companies and are pursuing a third. Attorney Geragos is contemplating suing Turkey for Armenian assets confiscated. He may not win, but it will keep the issue alive. By keeping the magnifying glass on Turkey, we are accomplishing SOMETHING. what are you accomplishing? what did you accomplished until now?(Just curiosity) By the way, Ozal was a kurd, interestingly both Turks and kurds love him much.(Also I love him too) He both helped bulgarian Turks and Iraqian kurds. It looks like our heroes are your villains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 what are you accomplishing? what did you accomplished until now?(Just curiosity) By the way, Ozal was a kurd, interestingly both Turks and kurds love him much.(Also I love him too) He both helped bulgarian Turks and Iraqian kurds. It looks like our heroes are your villains. Zurderer, when your hero Ozal made this statement, he revealed himself to his true character. If he is your hero, then your true character is also revealed. We will never cease to raise these issues, until Turkey comes honestly to the negotiating table. What we have accomplished to date is to make the world see Turkey's true face, which is unlike that which she presents to the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 when your hero Ozal made this statement, he revealed himself to his true character. If he is your hero, then your true character is also revealed. He helped Turkey much, made it more democratic country, enhanced her economy. Should I ignore his job, because of some mistakes he did.(If he did, I didnt heard it before) If he said these words, he made a realy realy realy big mistake. We will never cease to raise these issues, until Turkey comes honestly to the negotiating table. There were noone who is honest at negotiating table. Dont you aware, geopolitic situation of Turkey dont let friendship between Turks and armenians. do you realy think Turkey will betray one of most friendly people to Turkey (azeris) for one of most unfriendly country.(ROA) will you do this If you are rulers of Turkey? What we have accomplished to date is to make the world see Turkey's true face, which is unlike that which she presents to the world. I asked you, what did you gain, not how much you harmed Turkey. Infact you didnt harmed Turkey more than our old presidents. By the way, Please Turkey true face is not worse than others true face. Still same question, what did you gain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 (edited) Zurderer, You have it all wrong. Our intent is not to harm Turkey. If Turkey approached our issues differently, we could jointly pursue regional economic development. It is Turkey's refusal to budge one iota that is causing these problems. As for the Azeris, they created the situation there due to the pogroms in Sumgait. It all has to do with the treatment of minorities. We are treated fairly in Iran and in the Arab world. Treat us and other minorities fairly and the situation will change. when your hero Ozal made this statement, he revealed himself to his true character. If he is your hero, then your true character is also revealed. He helped Turkey much, made it more democratic country, enhanced her economy. Should I ignore his job, because of some mistakes he did.(If he did, I didnt heard it before) If he said these words, he made a realy realy realy big mistake. We will never cease to raise these issues, until Turkey comes honestly to the negotiating table. There were noone who is honest at negotiating table. Dont you aware, geopolitic situation of Turkey dont let friendship between Turks and armenians. do you realy think Turkey will betray one of most friendly people to Turkey (azeris) for one of most unfriendly country.(ROA) will you do this If you are rulers of Turkey? What we have accomplished to date is to make the world see Turkey's true face, which is unlike that which she presents to the world. I asked you, what did you gain, not how much you harmed Turkey. Infact you didnt harmed Turkey more than our old presidents. By the way, Please Turkey true face is not worse than others true face. Still same question, what did you gain? Edited December 16, 2005 by phantom22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 so you think armenian minority at Istanbul is treated badly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 so you think armenian minority at Istanbul is treated badly? There, you have it. No, it is a mixed situation for them. It is us in the diaspora who are treated badly. How would you feel if your recent ancestor was a prominent player in Ottoman history, but has been made a non-person by the Turkish government. Our families did not choose to leave. They were decimated and exhiled for the acts of a few. Innocents who were going about their daily business, housework or schoolwork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubépine Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 (edited) what are you accomplishing? what did you accomplished until now?(Just curiosity) By the way, Ozal was a kurd, interestingly both Turks and kurds love him much.(Also I love him too) He both helped bulgarian Turks and Iraqian kurds. It looks like our heroes are your villains. In fact Özal suggested during a military excercise near the Armenian border in 1992 what difference would it make if one of those bombs fall on the other side of the border. If it weren't for Prime Minister Demirel and the army who restrained him who knows what could have happened? Again he was the one who made the implicit threat that Turkish tanks were only 15 minutes away from Yerevan. That Özal played the Kurdish card was only a public relations ploy and a sham - in fact he wasn't a Kurd. Most Kurds hate him because he played into the hands of the oppressive feudal landlords. When the PKK struck in 1984 his government was inactive for three years before they took the situation seriously. I won't mention the "extra-judicial" killings which peaked during his tenure in office and the "disappearance" of undesired elements. His fellow Malatyali Ismet Inönü on the other hand is the only head of state and government who was 100% Kurdish. Your friend Özal revealed his true face and what sort of a twisted and criminal person he was in 1991 when he ordered the destruction of Sirnak along with the civilian population when it was besieged by PKK terrorists because the civilian poplation didn't stand in the way (?) and in some cases abetted the PKK. Naturally the military and his fellow party members were aghast by this. Luckily as President he didn't have any authority then. This isn't a secret by the way. Just get hold of the newspapers in 1993/1994 after Özal's death and you'll see. Good riddance to him. And hopefully Erdogan too. Edited December 17, 2005 by Aubépine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 (edited) In fact Özal suggested during a military excercise near the Armenian border in 1992 what difference would it make if one of those bombs fall on the other side of the border. If it weren't for Prime Minister Demirel and the army who restrained him who knows what could have happened? Again he was the one who made the implicit threat that Turkish tanks were only 15 minutes away from Yerevan. It is a well known fact, Turkey supported Azeris against armenians. If what he said is only this, I dont see any genocidal intention. That Özal played the Kurdish card was only a public relations ploy and a sham - You mean he played this cards at north Iraq? I dont think Kurds who live at north iraq have vote in Turkey. in fact he wasn't a Kurd Kurdish leader Mesud Barzani, and the former Turkish president Turgut Özal (originaly Kurd) who had private ambitions to help to solve the Kurdish question in a peaceful way, but died under unclear circumstances http://www.saradistribution.com/galeri.htm If you look link, you will see it is pro-pkk page. From same page Guerilla- the absolutely last way to reach the basic human freedom and rights of the Kurds (independance and democracy) against the rasistic policies of the Turkish state. I think this page gives you better answer than me. It looks like people who is pro-pkk also thing good about Turgut Özal, and accept his kurdishness. MEQ: What Turkish politicians do you think might be willing to negotiate a political solution with you? Öcalan: None of them are ready. [Former Turkish president Turgut] Özal wanted a political solution, but they [elements in the Turkish military against a political solution] killed him. They also killed [former gendarmerie forces commander Eşref] Bitlis. It looks like even Aptullah Öcalan have different idea than you http://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12326 Your friend Özal revealed his true face and what sort of a twisted and criminal person he was in 1991 when he ordered the destruction of Sirnak along with the civilian population when it was besieged by PKK terrorists because the civilian poplation didn't stand in the way (?) and in some cases abetted the PKK. I dont know what are you talking, do you know? If you know Turkish, http://www.geocities.com/almanakturkiye/1992.htm This will help you. His fellow Malatyali Ismet Inönü on the other hand is the only head of state and government who was 100% Kurdish. well? I dont think any kurd realy realy care for him. Good riddance to him. And hopefully Erdogan too. Err what Erdogan did? There, you have it. No, it is a mixed situation for them. It is us in the diaspora who are treated badly. How would you feel if your recent ancestor was a prominent player in Ottoman history, but has been made a non-person by the Turkish government. Our families did not choose to leave. They were decimated and exhiled for the acts of a few. Innocents who were going about their daily business, housework or schoolwork. Well you are right, do you have same ideas about azeris who exiled from ROA? Edited December 17, 2005 by zurderer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Well you are right, do you have same ideas about Azeris who exiled from ROA? Zurderer, I have stated numerous times in this forum that the treatment of Balkan Moslems by the new nations there in the late 1800's and early 1900's was horrible and very wrong. I have, furthermore, stated that the progeny of these persons, now Turks, should pursue their legal right in these nations to their seized properties. As for the ROA, there are Kurds and Yezidis who are treated very well there. The problems for Azeris in the ROA were caused by the pogroms in Sumgait. These Azeris were exiled after Armenians were being killed indiscriminantly in Azerbaijan. The Azeris brought about the secession of the Armenian province from Azerbaijan. It was by their own hands that this happened. Treat minorities very poorly and you see the results. I do not agree with many of the policies of the Kocharian regime and would like to see an "Apricot revolution" there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hytga Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 (edited) It is a well known fact, Turkey supported Azeris against armenians. If what he said is only this, I dont see any genocidal intention. You mean like, accidentally dropping a bomb on your head is ok? what you're saying is this. Our brother's azeris started pogroms and ethnic cleansing campain in Artsax, so the least we could do is support them, by attacking the only entity (armenia) that protects Artsax. it was helping enough by sending military help and officers to azerbaijan. The intention to drop a bomb on armenia was nothing but criminal. Where do you think the bomb would "accidentaly" land? on open field, or on some village? Edited December 17, 2005 by hytga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubépine Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 You mean he played this cards at north Iraq? I dont think Kurds who live at north iraq have vote in Turkey. Kurdish leader Mesud Barzani, and the former Turkish president Turgut Özal (originaly Kurd) who had private ambitions to help to solve the Kurdish question in a peaceful way, but died under unclear circumstances http://www.saradistribution.com/galeri.htm If you look link, you will see it is pro-pkk page. Öcalan: None of them are ready. [Former Turkish president Turgut] Özal wanted a political solution, but they [elements in the Turkish military against a political solution] killed him. They also killed [former gendarmerie forces commander Eşref] Bitlis. It looks like even Aptullah Öcalan have different idea than you Quoting Öcalan doesn't do. So does conspiracy theories about his death and the other commander. Playing cards in Northern Iraq? You must have comprehension difficulties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 (edited) I have stated numerous times in this forum that the treatment of Balkan Moslems by the new nations there in the late 1800's and early 1900's was horrible and very wrong. I have, furthermore, stated that the progeny of these persons, now Turks, should pursue their legal right in these nations to their seized properties. No thanks, Unfortunately world is not going this way. It will create a big enemity against Turkey and more importantly against Turks. They still remember ottoman occupation over their land. The problems for Azeris in the ROA were caused by the pogroms in Sumgait. These Azeris were exiled after Armenians were being killed indiscriminantly in Azerbaijan. Well, do you think these azeris who was living at ROA is guilty of other azeris? (Remember this is almost what turks also saying) The Azeris brought about the secession of the Armenian province from Azerbaijan. It was by their own hands that this happened. well this is almost what Turks saying too. I do not agree with many of the policies of the Kocharian regime and would like to see an "Apricot revolution" there. But I dont think, you would support return of azeris and compensating them for what happened to them? Anyway, I hope and support armenians(who exiled or killed) get their compensation. Infact I also think They should return their land, but I dont think this is a sensible idea.(Both armenians and Turks will not interested this) You mean like, accidentally dropping a bomb on your head is ok? Infact What he was meaning is a war. I dont support any type of war, but I can see difference between a war and genocide. what you're saying is this. Our brother's azeris started pogroms and ethnic cleansing campain in Artsax, so the least we could do is support them, by attacking the only entity (armenia) that protects Artsax. Well bad azeris, good armenians? Sorry I dont think this is complately objective story of Azeri-Armenian conflict. I think armenia also did an ethnic cleansing, dont you agree? it was helping enough by sending military help and officers to azerbaijan. Well It looks like help was not enough, It was not azeris but armenians who won the war. The intention to drop a bomb on armenia was nothing but criminal. war is a crime. Where do you think the bomb would "accidentaly" land? on open field, or on some village? Most probably over the armenian soldiers. Quoting Öcalan doesn't do. So does conspiracy theories about his death and the other commander. Well Ocalan was never brilliant person, but I think even If he accept Turgut Ozal kurdishness, and his work. We should accept Ozal tried to help kurds. Playing cards in Northern Iraq? Dont you know Turkey helped North Iraqian kurds when they were fleeing from saddam. why do you think kurds like him? I dont know why are you thinking Turgut Özal was not kurd, and he was anti-kurd. Infact It was ozal who abolished law that ban kurdish speaking or singing. Are you a kurd? or where are you living in Turkey? It looks like your knowledge about Turkey is not complately true.(well not complately false too ) By the way, you still didnt say why are you so much against to Erdogan. Edited December 17, 2005 by zurderer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hytga Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 (edited) Well bad azeris, good armenians? Sorry I dont think this is complately objective story of Azeri-Armenian conflict. I think armenia also did an ethnic cleansing, dont you agree? objectivity doesn't mean blaming both sides 50/50 for starting a war. Whatever happened after the war started is not in question here. Don't change the subject As much as i agree there were wrongdoings on both sides i cannot agree that there was a campaign of ethnic cleansing on part of armenains. Because there was none. Well It looks like help was not enough, It was not azeris but armenians who won the war. both before and during the war, azerbaijan had a more superior number of military equipment. Even if azerbaijan was losing a war it started itself, it would not justify direct turkish intervention. war is a crime. Not always. Btw i do not understand what image you're trying to portray of yourself, by at one point supporting turkish intervention and at another, quoting this pacifist phrase. As if you actually mean it. Most probably over the armenian soldiers. that would be a direct act of war. And i doubht anyone would buy the "accidental" part of dropping a bomb on an armenian military target, while armenia is in a war against azerbaijan, whom turkey supports. So if the intention was to make it look like an accident, it most likely would be a civilian target (to send a message). So there you have it your hero is a criminal Edited December 17, 2005 by hytga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skhara Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 I have stated numerous times in this forum that the treatment of Balkan Moslems by the new nations there in the late 1800's and early 1900's was horrible and very wrong. I have, furthermore, stated that the progeny of these persons, now Turks, should pursue their legal right in these nations to their seized properties. After centuries of opression, rape, murder, theft, and kidnapping, it wasn't wrong and horrible, it was only natural. I think armenia also did an ethnic cleansing, dont you agree? Yes and I fully support it, if for nothing else than to make at least some room for the hundreds of thousands of Armenians running for their lives. At least these Azeris weren't sbjected to the kind of inhuman, savage pogroms that took place in Sumgait, Kirovabad, and later Baku. I personally met an Azeri family kicked out of Yerevan. Anyway, I hope and support armenians(who exiled or killed) get their compensation. Compensate the dead? What are the dead going to do with money? As far as exiled, well my own family was exiled, I give a big kiss and thanks to our Azeri friends. Best thing that could have happenned. I couldn't imagine having had to live in that backward, islamic shithole today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubépine Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Hytga, Turkey's intervention in Azerbaijan would constitute a crime given that it wasn't a party. A head of state talking like that can't be taken seriously. Özal always thought of himself as a foreign policy virtuoso like Bismarck, but unlike Bismarck he was a complete failure. But at least he was somewhat brighter than that Muslim idiot we have as prime minister now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 (edited) As much as i agree there were wrongdoings on both sides i cannot agree that there was a campaign of ethnic cleansing on part of armenains. Because there was none. How many azeris lived ROA? and how many still living? Not always. Btw i do not understand what image you're trying to portray of yourself, by at one point supporting turkish intervention and at another, quoting this pacifist phrase. As if you actually mean it. I am not supporting it, but It is far from a genocide wish. By the way, unfortunately We have not a world, we can choose good or bad. Mostly we have two alternative, bad and worse. I dont support a war, but I will support a war against saddam. (But still this war is a crime, the guys died because of war are mostly innocent.) that would be a direct act of war. And i doubht anyone would buy the "accidental" part of dropping a bomb on an armenian military target, while armenia is in a war against azerbaijan, whom turkey supports. So if the intention was to make it look like an accident, it most likely would be a civilian target (to send a message). It looks like you misunderstood message, Ozal was threating ROA with war. Do you think If a bomb droped over a village, ROA will care it much? Or If Ozal aim was realy drop a bomb mistakenly over villages, he would say this? What he want to say is, Turkey is here and she can attack you. Hytga, Turkey's intervention in Azerbaijan would constitute a crime given that it wasn't a party. A head of state talking like that can't be taken seriously. Özal always thought of himself as a foreign policy virtuoso like Bismarck, but unlike Bismarck he was a complete failure. But at least he was somewhat brighter than that Muslim idiot we have as prime minister now. Aubepine, Infact you showed lack of your knowledge about Turkey. where are you living in Turkey? and why dont you like erdogan? Reason? By the way You dont look like bismarck too. Edited December 17, 2005 by zurderer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubépine Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Your lack of knowledge about current policies and your lack of English is very well obvious. You aren't a very bright individual are you? About liking Erdogan, what's there to like about him? Don't tell me you like that Muslim buffoon? I live in Istanbul. Levent to be exact. Why are you so curious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurderer Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Your lack of knowledge about current policies and your lack of English is very well obvious. You aren't a very bright individual are you? About liking Erdogan, what's there to like about him? Don't tell me you like that Muslim buffoon? I live in Istanbul. Levent to be exact. Why are you so curious? My lack of english is not a major problem, is it? You firstly said Ozal is not kurd(and It is easy to see, you are false. Noone except you said this) And you said you didnt like Erdoğan, but only reason you give is he is a muslim buffoon. Well. Realy good reason. I live in Istanbul. Levent to be exact. Well, I was not sure If you lived in Turkey or not. By the way, I like that muslim Buffoon, after all I am also a muslim buffoon and not a bright individual. Anyway have fun, I dont like much from sidik yarışı. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubépine Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 My lack of english is not a major problem, is it? You firstly said Ozal is not kurd(and It is easy to see, you are false. Noone except you said this) And you said you didnt like Erdoğan, but only reason you give is he is a muslim buffoon. Well. Realy good reason. I live in Istanbul. Levent to be exact. Well, I was not sure If you lived in Turkey or not. By the way, I like that muslim Buffoon, after all I am also a muslim buffoon and not a bright individual. Anyway have fun, I dont like much from sidik yarışı. Please don't tell me that Sıdıka Özal is a Kurd. An assimilated Turk perhaps (yes there are assimilated Turks at the periphery of the Kurdish regions like Elazig and Malatya), but that doesn't make them Kurds. I know you like that Muslim buffoon. Turkey deserves a man like him. The ignorant masses like someone who has nothing to be proud of other than his backward Muslim religion. Just like the common people. It's going to be difficult with the sidik yarışı. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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