Why Let The Cardinals In Rome Have All Of The Fun?

[Nakharar]

Why let the Cardinals in Rome have all of the fun?

 

http://www.fezbrothersink.com/pick-a-pope.htm

[DominO123]

I choose Francis Arinze.

[Nakharar]

I sincerely hope he doesn't win.

 

He is the same as Kofi Annan that elite British board school educated fellow who has a skin deep connection and condescending view of his continent and likes to parade like a secular saint. The same goes for Franics Arinze.

 

It would be better if a South American Cardinal or one of the Italians become Pope.

[Ludwig9]

I like Cardinal Ratzinger. Here is a couple of quotes;

 

"We are moving toward a dictatorship of relativism which does not recognize anything as for certain and which has as its highest goal one's own ego and one's own desires."

 

 

 

"Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the church, is often labeled today as a fundamentalism, whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along by every wind of teaching, looks like the only attitude acceptable to today's standards,"

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.cbc.ca/storyview/MSN/world/nati...tine050418.html

[Nakharar]

I was pretty impressed by that statement also.

 

Everything nowadays is dissected, scrutinized and criticized to death.

 

People need a Rock that is as constant as the North Star.

[kakachik77]

New Pope elected!!!!

[Armen]

I don't understand why do we even care. What good have the Popes done for the last 15 centuries.

[ED]

The whole thing is just unbelievable, imagine the expense Vatican goes/went true in order to berry and select a new Pope. And how much good that money can do around the world for the needy.

[kakachik77]

One gave refuge to the Armenian monks fleeing the Ottomans in the middle ages, gave them the isle of St. Lasarus.

[Armen]

One gave refuge to the Armenian monks fleeing the Ottomans in the middle ages, gave them the isle of St. Lasarus.

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How about in general? Taking into account how many problems they intentionally overlook to strengthen the Catholic Church, this structure is merely another hypocritical and corrupted organization the only difference being that it is more stylish than the others.

[kakachik77]

How about in general? Taking into account how many problems they intentionally overlook to strengthen the Catholic Church, this structure is merely another hypocritical and corrupted organization the only difference being that it is more stylish than the others.

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that's just the liberal propaganda...if you address the same way any other religion in the world you would simply be called "racist", "narrow-minded", "politically incorrect" and on on.

[Armen]

that's just the liberal propaganda...if you address the same way any other religion in the world you would simply be called "racist", "narrow-minded", "politically incorrect" and on on.

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I didn't quite get it. What is liberal propaganda exactly?

[kakachik77]

bashing Christian this and that...mi kich kmetsanas kartsikd kpoxvi kamats kamats. To add, that same Pope came to Armenia and called Genocide "Genocide", not "so-called" crap. And what the liberal media and intellectuals do in US every day? I have seen zero progress. Edited April 19, 2005 by kakachik77

[Armen]

bashing Christian this and that...mi kich kmetsanas kartsikd kpoxvi kamats kamats.

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Isk inchi es du kartsum vor du iravunq unes indz het ayspes khosalu? Et inche vor du indzanic etqan shat gites? Im kartsiqov Pape endhanrapes Qristoneutyan het voch mi arnchutyun chuni. Aynpes vor es Qristoneanerin "bash" chem anum. Es qnnadatum em Vatikan (qaghaqakan) petutyan ghekavarin.

[Armen]

To add, that same Pope came to Armenia and called Genocide "Genocide", not "so-called" crap. And what the liberal media and intellectuals do in US every day? I have seen zero progress.

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Oh he did? What a great man. The state of Uruguai did it a decade before him.

[Ludwig9]

Alright!!! I should have bet some money on this. .

[vava]

I'll have to agree with Armen on this - the Vatican, and the Catholic supremacy in general are slow to act, and often seem ill equipped to deal with real issues facing their faithful in this era. Rallying against contraception (and condoms) in an near-epidemic stricken continent like Africa, is in my opinion, an affront to their own religious values - not to mention immoral. If ignoring the immediate needs of its African congregations while risking huge losses of life for the mere sake of 'traditional values' equates to being a good catholic, then maybe those 'traditional values' are no longer worth upholding. And this is just one example....

[Azat]

Vava why would you even say that they are ill equipped to deal with real issues or that they are slow. When is became public knowledge(I say public knowledge because they had known this for MANY years and had taken auction by moving priests around) about the priests sexually abusing young boys they were VERY fast in hiring the best attorneys that money could buy. Proving that they are neither ill equipped nor slow. Bravo...

 

BTW They can afford those great attorneys because the average church goes supports sexual abuses against young boys, else why would they contribute money to the church to pay those attorneys. Right?

 

I dont know I am confused.

[TMNT]

I'll have to agree with Armen on this - the Vatican, and the Catholic supremacy in general are slow to act, and often seem ill equipped to deal with real issues facing their faithful in this era. Rallying against contraception (and condoms) in an near-epidemic stricken continent like Africa, is in my opinion, an affront to their own religious values - not to mention immoral. If ignoring the immediate needs of its African congregations while risking huge losses of life for the mere sake of 'traditional values' equates to being a good catholic, then maybe those 'traditional values' are no longer worth upholding. And this is just one example....

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Yeah, I think it is because of the Pope's emphasis of traditional values that is forcing Africans to have unprotected sex and proliferate HIV at an alarming rate, not to mention, strike up a population growth for which there is not enough food to support. Yes, down with the traditional values of the church that have thus far prevented these two huge problems from getting out of hand in third world countries. Yes, nothing like reformist methods that would get rid of these traditional safeguards and make things all better.

Edited April 20, 2005 by TMNT

[vava]

Yeah, I think it is because of the Pope's emphasis of traditional values that is forcing Africans to have unprotected sex and proliferate HIV at an alarming rate, not to mention, strike up a population growth for which there is not enough food to support. Yes, down with the traditional values of the church that have thus far prevented these two huge problems from getting out of hand in third world countries. Yes, nothing like reformist methods that would get rid of these traditional safeguards and make things all better.

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There is little, if any population growth in Africa. The death rate is soaring.

And so the church is 'helping' the problem by telling the NOT to use condoms. Hmmmm... intelligent.

 

Let's see:

condoms and sexual education --> slow the spread of HIV

'traditional values' aka 'no condoms permitted' --> rampant spread of HIV

Which will be more benficial to the people?

 

BTW, if you're advocating preaching abstinence as a method to slow HIV transmission for an entire continent, then you're still in the stone ages yourself.

[vava]

Vava why would you even say that they are ill equipped to deal with real issues or that they are slow.  When is became public knowledge(I say public knowledge because they had known this for MANY years and had taken auction by moving priests around) about the priests sexually abusing young boys they were VERY fast in hiring the best attorneys that money could buy.  Proving that they are neither ill equipped nor slow.  Bravo...

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You're right as usual Azat jan

But, when I make the claim that the Catholic church is slow - I specifically put it in context: They are slow to react to problems affecting their followers. Actually, I think that they're quite adept when it comes to administering their own internal affairs.

 

.... the Catholic supremacy in general are slow to act, and often seem ill equipped to deal with real issues facing their faithful in this era.

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[Azat]

I know Vava jan. I am just trying to be a my usual butt-head self.

[TMNT]

There is little, if any population growth in Africa. The death rate is soaring.

And so the church is 'helping' the problem by telling the NOT to use condoms. Hmmmm... intelligent.

 

Let's see:

condoms and sexual education --> slow the spread of HIV

'traditional values' aka 'no condoms permitted' --> rampant spread of HIV

Which will be more benficial to the people?

 

BTW, if you're advocating preaching abstinence as a method to slow HIV transmission for an entire continent, then you're still in the stone ages yourself.

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No, I am not preaching about abstinence, but you do sound silly trying to blame the spread of HIV on the traditional dogma of the Catholic Church. The Pope does not have Africans at gun point, forcing them to procreate. I just don’t like the

approach of self proclaimed “progressive” thinkers. Their values are not any better and they have tendency to oppose what they failed to follow. Let us get something straight, all the decisions I have made, I have made based on my own needs. I certainly have never based them on anyone’s standard but my own, therefore, I do not expect anything less from anyone else. No one is forcing you to follow Catholicism, but if you do, you should follow the teachings of the Pope, regardless of how “trendy”or “progressive” they are. Faith is faith, if you are not willing to have faith in your own beliefs I would suggest you stop believing in religion because when everything is said and done, religion is about faith.

Edited April 20, 2005 by TMNT