edward demian

God, perhaps now Artzak joins Armenia.

What is it with you and the Republicans. there seem to be bigger villains around; ie Nazis, Communists, Pan-Turkism, Canibalism, Islam etc. The Republicans only sin seems to be that they only want to make a profit. In that respect they are sooo Armenian. We are a few and without influence. We receive accordingly. Democrat,Republican,Communist,Islamist,Green,Socialist.... they will all sell us just for a good impression. Only Armenians that have bee sensithized to the Armenian Cause, physically working for the Federal Government at various departmental levels, can make a difference. We need a bargaining chip or influence in order to get an equal measure of justice.

The Armenians in Eastern Europe call the Dolma, Sarma. Does anyone have an idea why? Olive leaf dolma? I'm missing something here. The leaves of the olive tree are too thin to wrap anything in.

It is true that Democrats tend to want to spend more than Republicans and that therefore, the economy heats up when spending increases. But Bush spends like a Democrat. With the war going on, (such as it is), the economy will improve. Wars are inflationary so profits increase during inflationary times. There are differences between the Democrats and Republicans. Profound differences in economics, domectic spending, taxation as well as foreign policy. To say that there is't any difference is to display a profound unfamiliarity with the American System. Hogea is very upset with Armenians for voting Republican. But for many Armenians, the rality that the Soviet Union collapsed because of Republican strategy is real. Armenia is free due to Republican Policy. The reason that the Armenian foreign policy is not successful in the US is because of the State Department. It is a formidable burocracy. These are the successors of the same agency who decided on a policy of extermination of the plains Indians, thedisconcern withe the plight of the Jews and other minorities in Nazi Germany, in Uganda, Sudan, etc. Another thing is, that the Jewish Lobby in this country has become so powerful, that some would say that the reigns of our government is in their hands. Now, Israel is a client state, so is Egipt, so is Turkey, etc. That's very expensive. US is not going to take on Armenia as a client State, not when Armenia threw it's lot with Russia. There have to be winners and loosers, and Armenia is in the looser camp. If we want to have genuine political power in the United States, we need to have Armenians, and a lot of them, join the civil service and and become entranched at every level where we could, help guide and influence American foreign policy. All you antisemites, back down, because I'm not against the Jews. They are doing what the system affords them, and we need to learn from them.

Wait a few generations and you'll be surprised what kind of Armenians features you'll get.

So why not try to convince them that they will live better with the Armenians as friends, than against Armenians and poor.

What worries me is that Iraq had Russian hardware and it didn't measure up. I'm really concerned about a Turkish air attack boosted by American technology.

So let get this straight. One of the lemurs chants Jihad and all the the other lemurs follow him over the precipice. Could you give us all that chant again.

I will buy their product just for that.

Personally, I think that next time we'll go all the way to Baku and rewrite all those oil contracts. Even the Azeri's will do better.

He paid for my plane ticket to the US. We repaid the money, but will never be able to repay the favor. He was also a General in the US Army.

I am saying that the Jews did not participate in the pogroms of the Armenians, and neither did the Russian population n'or any other non muslim minority. In fact it was a well organized pogrom. Not a mob running wild. As the Armenians were being murderred, and their houses looted, the organizors, who were wearing identical black uniforms, had set up shop on the street and were selling and issuing deeds for the Armenian properties to the new owners. Some minor incidents did occur against Russians, but you have to realize that the Russian armies were still in the country. Once it became obvious to the Russian population that they were next, they quickly left the country. The jewish minority stayed behind and I have ben told (though not confirmed ) that the Armenians in the crucial oil field industies have been replaced by workers of Jewish origin.

The silver lining to this stupid, senseless act of barbarism, is: At least the net worth of this plunder stayed within the European Christian world. The muslims would have done the same.

MJ Yes, there is something which I wish to convey. Before the Massacres in Sumagit and baku, Azerbaijian had a sizable population of christians and jews. These people were Azerbaijanis. Natives of the land of Azerbaijian. It was the muslims that participated in the pogroms.

In Palm Spring, we don't yet have a church so we rent from the Episcopalians. Consequently, we rent a priest so we get a new one most of the time. Needless to say, most of them arouse as much inspiration as a spot on the freeway. Most don't speak English, and that's that. Father Samurian is an exception. The Cilician priests tend to be better educated and more refined. Unfortunately they don't have a church here. I think.... Forget it. I'b bored with the subject.

Courtesy of AZG Armenian Daily Sept 19,2001 BAKU, As it was already reported Nagorno Karabagh delegation, made of representatives of non-governmental organizations and led by the Helsinki Initiative coordinator Karen Ohanjanian was on a week-long visit to Azerbaijiani capital Baku with the aim of establishing contacts with similar Azeri organizations to build bridges which would help eliminate the hatred between the two people. The delegation did not receive a welcome treatment, and even an unknown man approached the head of the delegation at Baku airport and slapped him in the face. The Azerbaijani press seems to be enjoying by savoring this unpleasant episode as well as a threat by the National front party leader Mirmahmud Fataev to "cut the Armenians" ears and stone them. Even the former foreign minister Tofik Zulfugarov could not stand the temptation and greeted the delegation members by the following words: "I cannot say that I am happy to welcome you, as you refuse to recognize yourselves as citizens of Azerbaijian." Why were the Karbaghi Armenians treated like that? Armenian delegations used to visit Baku on different purposes before but none of them was given such a "welcome". The answer is simple. The Karabagh delegation, for the first time, visited Baku independently, not as a pat of a delegation from Armenia proper. As it turned out, Karabagh Armenians are still regarded in Baku as "naughty childred" who can be punished. Today, when the conflict is not solved, Karen ohanjanian, who visits Baku with peaceful aims, got a slap in the face. One can easily predict what kind of treatment other karabaghis will receive if Karabagh remains under subordination of Azerbaijian. We would like to thank the leader of Musavat party Isa Ghambar who admitted that the Azerbaijani public is not yet psychologically ready for establishing contacts with Armenians. This is well understood in Stepanakert when they insist that vertical ties between Baku and Karabagh are not posible. Azeris are still eager to "cut Armenians" ears as they did in 1988 in Sumgait in Baku. This prospect is very real if Karabagh conflict is settled in favor of Baku. -------------end of article---------- This is a perfect example of the cultural differences between the Armenians and the Azery Muslims. Respect for envoys is an act that even the most primitive people understand. It is pretty much the dividing line between animals and humans. I have pictures of dead Armenian soldiers with their ears cut off. I think I'll send one to every US senator and congressman. The people need to know.

We are all in shock Sandy. I think that you have a good point. We are so engrossed in our loss that this may seem more like confirmation of what we have been saying about Muslim attrocities for all these years to no avail. I can assure you that we all feel terrible about it. I may have lost two relatives in the towers. Idon't yet know. Still I didn't express condoliances to anyone, but jumped into a banter, and diatribe with the Muslim participants on this forum. I suppose that in the back of my mind I felt like this is a family wake. As an American, Veteran and Patriot I was looking in from the inside; Not as a sympathetic neighbor. I am not sure what the proper social courtecy is on this matter. I suppose that I can still learn. Help us out. (I am not fascecious about this)how do we proceed. I think that we need to do something dramatic. But then, won't people say that we are using this horrible tragedy to further our own agenda? As a part Armenian like you, I think that I understand why you have to qualify your ethnicity. I do it too even when it's not neccessary. I have heard another member say that I'm compensating for my less than 100% Armenian genes. I really don't know! So from most of us, we welcome your opinions.

Before the fall of Communism, I had the opportunity to speak with some reacent Romanian refugees. These were young girls who were interned in Italian refugee camps. The camps had Albanian as well as other nationalities. The girls were describing the Muslim Albanians as Beasts and animals. It was hot in those wooden shacks, and those nordic girls could not endure the stiffling heat. So they all vied for window space. The Albanian boys would grabb and drag the girls away to gang rape them. The Cristian boys tried to intervene, but were no match for the numbers and ferocity of the muslims. Eventually, the Italian police had to quell the riots by shooting a few Albanians and separating them from the rest of the other nationalities. According to what I heard on TV during some US documentaries, Kosovo was mainly Serbian before the great war. After the Communists took over, Tito did whatever all the other Communists regimes did. he set the nationalities against each other. So in Khosovo, The Albanians dominated the communist Party. The Albanian Communists formed a kind of Criminal Political mafia and used their power to ethnic cleanse the region of Serbians. The Serbians were simply getting back. And you know, the Europeans did not care. The Americans made care to impress the Saudis. Keep that oil flowing at any price. So no sooner NATO evicted the Serbian Army, the Albanians ethnic cleansed the few remaining Serbs and are still killing. Now they are moving on Macedonia. So spare me the sob stories about Serbian attrocities. The Muslims have much more to atone for. However, all that is changing. My American friends who were bored with the old world baggage, are noew talking "Crusades". In public they say one thing, but in private, they hate everything Muslim. "Sand Niggers" is a commen appelation. The devout Cristians even, are reconciled to the fact that we are going to have to kill and kill again. The only thing that the Muslim minority can do to pay their dues, is to do what the Japanese minority did after the war. To the last man, they volunteered for the US Army and experienced the highest casualty rate of the war, and qualified for the most decorated units in the US Army. I don't see big crouds of Muslims gathering outside recruiting centers to join the Army and fight for the US. No blood no vindication. That is the American way. The Irish had to do the same thing during the Civil War. All irish units shed blood like no others, for the priviledge of American cityzenship. If the immigrants of this country think that this country is here for their picking they will wake up to the fact that, this country will suck in immigrants by the millions with the allure of high wages and the cornucopia of goodies, and when you think it's over,and "you'r in like Flynn", whammo. It takes all your children and splatter them all over places like Monte Cassino, Io Jima, and Normandy. That's the price.

Very goooood, Paul Bunyan. By the way, do you, like me, often wish that this format had spell check?

Didn't you learn anything from the Vietnamese or the Afganistanis, or even from the Ethiopians of 1st and 2nd Warld war. A people determined to be free can never be conquered. I hear you guys speak of your destiny as if you have nothing to say about it. Hey, you may not like Ben laden, but take a page out of his book. Even a flea can become quite a pain even on an elephant's ass. We are lucky that we only have Azerbaijian to worry about. How come we don't demand an equal share of the Caspian Sea oil? When it comes to foreign policy we are like beggars in our own land. Can't you get it? One guy with a rifle can stop the oil from flowing. Azerbaijian has two choices. Live in poverty for ever or buy us off. And the price is going to be expensive.

Anyone from Argentina here that knows Edward Seferian in Buenos Aires? The phone number provided by information is never answered.

What the turkish protagonists keep slipping into this banter is , "give us that little piece of land and we'll have peace". Nachichevan is and allways was Armenian. The Armenian population of Nachichevan was ethnic cleansed during the bolshevic times. We want the Armenians to be able to go back and settle there. The native turkish population should stay right there too. Karabagh is Armenian , but all of it is not yet independent. Historic karabagh has to be restored to karabagh, and then we will let the muslim population return to their homes. Why not. The only exception of course is those whom have commited crimes, Armenians and turks have to be prosecuted . We will send them all to the Hague. All those people wearing black that participated in the pogroms of Sumagit and Baku have to be arrested and turned over to the Hague. We can't punish the butchers who slaughtered the defenseless people on the forced marches in Anatolia, because they are long dead, but the Azery and Armenian criminals of a decade ago are still around. Surely, as a civilized turk you won't object to punishing the criminals, including the clerics who issued religious decrees inciting the mobs to murder. I would especially like to see the clerics hanging in the wind. They are supposed to have known better than the rabble.

Why doesn't the Armenian government have a Homestead program like the US had up to the 50's. I see no problem if some of the one million Armenians living in Russia return back to the homeland and settle. It takes too long for the Government to build homes for individual families. Beside, we want the kind of people that can mannage by themselves.

I haven't lived in turkey with kurds and turks ut I have lived in Moldova and Dobrodjia where there are turkish and tatar villeges. No problem. Not once. We have Muslim turks, and 175,000 Christian turks. Very good racial harmony. But the laws are clear. Anybody starts trouble, the army or the police steps in and separate and punish the culprits, irrelevant of who starts it. Religion makes no difference. There is no need for anyone to start trouble, because the laws are the same for anyone. The problem is not the turks, it's the religious fanaticism and laws that suck dust. By the way, a turkish supreme court judge publicly declared that the turkish constitution needs scrapping. The EU has come up with the same opinion.

I noticed that everywhere I go, I am asked for my ID just to use my credit card. I think that it's the hysteria due to reacent developments. Durind WWII, non Japanese orientals had a real tough time. The people are frustrated. They want to kick some butt. In Anaheim, (large Arabic community)you have cars loaded up with roudy young menndriving through the streets, shouting, yelling, looking for Arabs. The women have to go escorted to the markets. Most Middle Eastern stores are closed. Too bad. The best deal on lamb is with the Halal butchers. I suppose that the outcome of this might result in their women dropping the shakkles of the traditional dress. (the scarf, the chadours, the long plain dresses etc. ) I notice that their men don't wear the shalvars, the turbans etc. I often thought that all that stuff is just cultural opression imposed on the women by their insecure husbands. Keep them plain so no one will show interest kind of mentality. I don't want to hear any lame religious reasonings about this either.